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I don't understand why that is an issue Monte If you think the game is worth it then invest the time, isn't your consideration the same for all games we might play ? But what if it's crap? Then I'll have to invest 100 more hours complaining about it on the internet- that'd be not just 100 but 200 hours wasted! Yeah that's a valid point

I don't understand why that is an issue Monte If you think the game is worth it then invest the time, isn't your consideration the same for all games we might play ?

I hope so, I really hope so ....

For me the irony and humour around all this venting directed towards Bioware games is its always the same ritual. People complain bitterly about how EA has destroyed the once great company of Bioware People complain bitterly how there games just aren't as good as they use to be and how the Bioware model of RPG is gone forever People really attack how terrible there games are even to the point of making videos to show us how " they spent dozens of hours of playing game x" and really are informed about its faults Bioware releases next ME and DA game and everyone plays it The cycle of criticism starts all over again

Not a cent. I live in the wondrous world of software development Gorthfucius what languages do you program in and if you don't mind me asking why did you decide to leave Oz for Germany?

http://www.pcgamer.com/far-cry-4-trailer-is-all-about-survival/ Far Cry 4 trailer, looks good ....very good

That is as much as objective as to asking Von Däniken why the US government is hiding UFOs. Is it to much to ask for a sociology scholar/professor, with no previous affiliation with feminism, to conduct some research? But do we now dismiss any opinions from feminists as "automatically biased " ?

Good points, you right. They can't get much lower in my view

That includes removal services, insurance, flights, short stays in Singapore and Denmark along the way, almost 2.5 months of living in hotels from from pulling up the tent plugs to unlocking my own door with my own key again on a different continent. It probably ended up costing me 20-22k Euros Is your work helping with the transfer costs, what do you do for a living Gorthfucius. Are you a PM?

Really? You don't think active slavery is another appalling decision of ISIS around there implementation of fundamentalist Islam It definitely doesn't endear them in anyway

Anyone who would believe Hunter's claim which makes no sense, came from a rumor he misunderstood, and hasn't the slightest shred of evidence for is definitely a willing dupe. Haven't you realised by now Namutree, Vals is the only one who knows the truth about how the world really operates. The rest of us just bumble along in a state of blissful benightedness

http://www.wired.com/2014/10/trolls-will-always-win/ Guys here is a long but informative read about the pernicious outcome and organised strategy that Trolling has. It also covers the abuse that women receive online when they are perceived to threaten the status quo.

You make this sound like a bad thing. Does Gorths comment resonate with you Malc, I imagine you can identify with that type of troll personality

It interesting you make that point because I normally firmly believe the " book is always better" , like Game of Thrones TV series vs Game of Thrones books But in the case of The Strain I wonder of the books will be better because if you read the books you will more than likely become more critical of the TV series and the excitement will be ruined. So I would also hold back on reading on the books for the moment

This will be my first vote, I say the end of February 2015

I also think people sometimes throw around the word "Troll " when convenient or when they don't share a certain perspective So in other words, " I don't understand how user X can say that, he must be trolling "

Who the HELL said this? Outside of this thread? Only a lot of people. You'd be shocked how many people are willing to say this out loud, type it on the internet for everyone to see, and act like it's normal. It's sickening. Inside of this thread? it's the phrases like "the industry needs to stop doing X and think of what it is teaching society" kind of nonsense. This convo suddenly reminds me of that time I challenged a SJW to name a game developer, gaming journalist or strong GamerGate proponent who's said something sexist. Lo and behold, no one can actually name one beyond pointing at anonymous Youtube comments on videos about Anita or Zoe Quinn. Your observation or point wasn't relevant back then and its still not relevant I did explain this to you when you asked the question. No developer who cares about his job is going to publically say " I don't think women have a place in gaming or there is no point considering what appeal my game may have for gay fans " Obviously not, this open bigotry would more than likely lead to that person being fired. So there is no point asking "show me an example of a developer saying he doesn't like women" But its more what people don't say or rather there lack of interest in relevant transformation that should be a concern

I was researching the history of The Strain because I really enjoyed the series and its based on a series of books. So if the series continues to gather support then we should be seeing about 5 seasons to cover the whole story. Which is good news

Fair enough, I apologize for assuming the " shut the hell up " was directed to me I have already acknowledged that the virtual abuse is from both sides, there are extremists with there own agendas within each camp But my question is really "what does civil society outside of this debate think is more serious or is worse abuse" If you look at the link that was posted http://www.businessinsider.com/gamergate-death-threats-2014-10 This is a business website and then add to that the CNN coverage I would say the GG camp should be more concerned about the perception that exists around there objectives and how people outside of gaming think about them?

Sorry I wasn't aware you asked me a question about South African travel restrictions, I am unaware of them to be honest. I haven't heard anything official but there are definitely travel bans from other African countries where if you have travelled to any of the 5 affected countries in the last 2 months you will be denied entry But I don't believe the USA needs to implement such changes. Also the impact around the USA doing that and a country like Mauritius would be very different? The required steps from the USA doing it would create much more logistical issues. Especially considering the fact the USA is now really committed to stopping the spread of Ebola in Western Africa and is actually the only country in the world that is prepared to send troops and make other resource commitments So it's OK for you guys to be safe, but we don't need to be? So what if a few people get infected and die, that's assuming that an outbreak can even be contained. So far all I see is incredible hubris, and no actual logical analysis. The only way the rest of Africa is going to avoid an epidemic is to restrict travel, yet the WHO is opposed to even that. Edit: Here's an analysis of how air travel increases chances of an outbreak: http://www.vox.com/xpress/2014/10/13/6959103/ebola-spread-international-epidemic-china-india-europe Thankfully China and India seem safe for now, the West deserves our higher chances because we're evil. I'll be honest from a South African perspective our health ministry claims that " South Africa is ready to deal with Ebola" IMO this is just not true, we have good intentions but we don't really have processes in place to address this virus. For example every person who flies in from Western Africa has to complete a questionnaire and what is suppose to happen is after landing in the country you are suppose to be contacted and a follow-up around your health is suppose to happen But the follow-up is not happening. And due to the 3 week incubation period I have to ask "how do we know as South Africans that someone landing from Western Africa doesn't have the virus" The reality is we don't. So our measures to prevent contagion I feel are wholly inadequate, I just hope we don't get a spread of the virus because it will show our measures as lacking

http://gamergate.giz.moe/2014/09/random-gamergate-supporters-being-doxxed-and-harassed-in-real-life-at-least-one-lost-their-job/ And if you don't consider Twitter posts from people being harassed as valid, keep in mind that is the only proof publicly presented so far in Wu's case. Thanks, this is an interesting link. I do consider this relevant It's the exact same point, just directed towards the other side of the story; someone with the same views as you did something bad, now shut the hell up and end all this bcrap or you can't blame people for thinking everyone with the same views/hobbies are of the same character calliber as the worst 1% of them. Also, "forced to leave her house" is a BS statement, as far as I'm aware no actual attempt at harming her has been made, so your point is that is that none of our people have fleed their home when the internet started spilling into their real life in a horrible way? So you're saying those people are being less abused just because they didn't run crying like whiny little girls or abuse it to get more donations (like Zoe did)? Didn't some gamergate supporter recieve syringes and white powder in his/her mail anyhow? What about the various people who are being called up at work by random strangers trying to get them fired? No I won't shut the hell up, I asked a valid question around a real issue. Several people opposed to GG have received death threats and have felt so uncomfortable about the state of there security that they left there homes, a home is suppose to be a place of safety. This has now reached CNN and was on the international news. This is a valid talking point and frankly I don't care if you and others don't think its relevant. Because it is relevant

Yeah. Constantine's supposed to be a con-man, trickster and probability warper, not an exorcist. Edit: also, there's the issue of making him straight and non-smoking because REASONS. I watched the pilot after realising it was out, and all I can say is its.....really bad....like really bad I'm not sure if its the writing, or the acting. But all I can hope is the main series is better

This article makes some good point from an outsiders perspective. I also laughed at the comment below "Yet here we are: Apparently, it needs to be said. GamerGate also underlines one very sad aspect of the gaming scene. The stereotype of a "gamer" is a lonely young man who has replaced his social life with a set of animated avatars on a screen, and now has difficulty relating to women: The angry male virgin nerd, in other words. Let's assume this stereotype is grossly unfair. Gaming is bigger than that. But if you wanted to convince the outside world that gaming is dominated by angry male virgin nerds, then these tone-deaf responses to critics of gaming, and the death threats that have come along with them, are a pretty good way of doing it." The way this whole thing is going on and on and some of the reasons for some of the outrage does make this quote relevant to some gamers, or at least that's how they come across Let's put the shoe on the other foot and say that Yet here we are: Apparently, it needs to be said. Anti GamerGate also underlines one very sad aspect of the feminist scene. The stereotype of a feminist is a manhating selfobsessed lying greedy bitch or an **** trying to abuse labels and his media access to manipulate the general public into supporting his probably corrupt actions: The feminazi or the corrupt politician/journalist/randomguylookingtoexploitpeople, in other words. Let's assume this stereotype is grossly unfair. feminism is bigger than that. But if you wanted to convince the outside world that feminism is dominated by feminazis and corrupt journalists trying to get people to look the other way, then these tone-deaf responses to GamerGate, and the death threats that have come along with them, are a pretty good way of doing it. All you need to do is switch one label from another to make something telling everyone to stop voicing their disapproval because someone went to far apply to one side of an argument instead of the other, think about how easily the core message of a statement applies to what you support (feminism up there could just as easily be replaced with sjwing as well) before telling everyone how great the statement is. If there is a moral high ground, it's on the gamergate side anyhow, simply because it's less organized, and the people who are harrassing people on our side of the fence are actively being condemned by the closests they have to spokesmen, whereas harrassment is generally being condoned, supported, claimed to be falseflags, or at best, ignored, by the media spokesmen of the media/sjw coalition. Sure you can easily reverse words in that quote if you want, but it wouldn't really be relevant because that's not the point the author is making I see that the online abuse that Brianna Wu received that forced her to leave her house has now got to CNN. Since the argument seems to be that the abuse is equal from both sides how many founders or major contributing members of GG have been forced to leave there homes due to abuse from the anti-GG crowd? Can you guys post the links around this

This is a good and reasonable read, I suggest everyone interested in this debate reads it

This article makes some good point from an outsiders perspective. I also laughed at the comment below "Yet here we are: Apparently, it needs to be said. GamerGate also underlines one very sad aspect of the gaming scene. The stereotype of a "gamer" is a lonely young man who has replaced his social life with a set of animated avatars on a screen, and now has difficulty relating to women: The angry male virgin nerd, in other words. Let's assume this stereotype is grossly unfair. Gaming is bigger than that. But if you wanted to convince the outside world that gaming is dominated by angry male virgin nerds, then these tone-deaf responses to critics of gaming, and the death threats that have come along with them, are a pretty good way of doing it." The way this whole thing is going on and on and some of the reasons for some of the outrage does make this quote relevant to some gamers, or at least that's how they come across