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Indifferent, no. But years of playing games online have taught me a righteous crusade on people typing mean things is a waste of time and is the intention 80% of the time. Mark the person as being of suspect contribution to things after a point and then move on. I suppose it may slide back down in background noise in a post. Hardly akin to ignoring someone being beaten or suffering any real harm. I was expecting a lot worse than I saw when I registered there, it's not an amazing forum but nowhere is and reading some posts and analysis of games (I read other than RPG forum, mainly) is sometimes interesting. Also they have some funny emoticons. I like the Inclooooo-sive one best. ah. the crux of it. bigotry is not doing any "real harm," yes? is a shame. our job is to protect first amendment rights, and if we do say so our self, we is quite good at it. that being said, we is also not so blind as to ignore the harms o' bigotry. we would surely never patronize any group that fostered an environment that encouraged such. "Where does your Codex q_q come from Gromnir," HA! at least you are consistent. first you pull out the "gay friend" defense, and now we is treated to qq? is you a 13-year-old mmo nerd arguing over pvp? qq? *chuckle* is, "i know you are, but what am i," your next option? perhaps a mom joke? surely you is not scaling to our level with such nonsense. we woulds needs devolve substantially to equal such responses. codex is in even worse shape than when we last posted if this is the kinda scaling we is to now expect. tragic. HA! Good Fun! edit: does anybody know why posts might auto-change fonts? is annoying. I also find it funny when bigots try to hide their views when they say things like " hey...you cant call me a racist\homophobic.... I have gay or black friends " I understand the support the Codex receives, apart from the fact it does have some interesting articles, objective reviews and highly informed and old-school gamers I think it has also symbolically become "the last place on the Internet free from SJ influence ". So people are fanatically loyal to its "moderator- free policies ". In some ways with all these understandable changes that have been sweeping the Internet the last few years where people have learnt to become politically correct it has become a bastion for those who don't want to care what they say. Its misplaced IMO, because you can still have a highly informed and relevant gaming website without offending people or being derogatory.I remember what put me off RPCodex, it was during the Zoe Quinn incident in the beginning and I went to the Codex to read some views and there were several comments similar to " I know what will sort her out ....a good raping " I'm sorry but for me I can't justify participating on a website where people are allowed to use rape as joke and not get warned by moderators I do have a question for those who are regulars on the Codex, has anyone ever seriously tried to implement proper moderation on the forums and explained why they are doing it ?

Passports these days. When concrete is pulverized, these papers come out unscathed. Amazing quality. There's no blood or recoil when the police office is shot either; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P853PYcw90Q I'm no forensics expert, but I'd like to believe there would be some blood when a man gets his head blown off at point blank range. Anyway, I suppose we should stop asking questions. It's so passe. .. I'm glad at least one person on this forum understood the reference. If only a majority did; the world might be on it's way to being a better place. You not seriously suggesting that the 3 attackers weren't Islamic extremists who received training and funding, we now know, in Yemen? Nope. And I'm not sure how you extrapolated that out of what I said. My bad, I apologize

Passports these days. When concrete is pulverized, these papers come out unscathed. Amazing quality. There's no blood or recoil when the police office is shot either; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P853PYcw90Q I'm no forensics expert, but I'd like to believe there would be some blood when a man gets his head blown off at point blank range. Anyway, I suppose we should stop asking questions. It's so passe. .. I'm glad at least one person on this forum understood the reference. If only a majority did; the world might be on it's way to being a better place. You not seriously suggesting that the 3 attackers weren't Islamic extremists who received training and funding, we now know, in Yemen?

Yes they have romances and sex. Good Lord it's like talking to a gibbon, I think i've had enough of trying to do so. Now, now Nonek try to be a little magnanimous in your victory, you know I'm just not as clever as you

Trust me initially I tried to avoid the label as its actually meant as an insult...but I was told I was one so many times I gave up and started accepting it

Yes Nonek but Bioware did something much more profound and revolutionary than Ultima VII, they implemented optional gay Romance. This was always a very controversial issue ..so we need to salute them for the risk they took. I'm glad it paid off Are you losing the ability to read Bruce, or just comprehend? Ultima did this twenty plus years ago, I can't explain that any more simply. It was not a controversial issue or deemed worthy of saluting then, somebody copying them twenty years later is hardly worthy of comment. Oh, are you saying Ulitma VII has Romance? I thought you were saying you could just choose to be gay ?

Yes Nonek but Bioware did something much more profound and revolutionary than Ultima VII, they implemented optional gay Romance. This was always a very controversial issue ..so we need to salute them for the risk they took. I'm glad it paid off

I approve of this thread, whats interesting is that I have only played BG2 and IWD once so I don't have anywhere near the knowledge in these games most of you guys have. But I was a DM for about 12 years in the Forgotten Realms so I can recognise almost everything you guys are discussing, like the spells. So the tactics and ideas make sense to me.....but if you didn't understand the D&D ruleset I reckon you would be confused

You are funny...would you say you are threatened by the nobility and virtue of us SJW ? I wonder what Volo will think of this thread...he'll probably be disappointed in you

I don't often dispute the erudition and omnipotence of the fabled and great Gorthfucius but this may be one of those times But I get your reasons, I just don't completely agree with them. For me inspiration can be so subjective, it would be very difficult to agree on what really makes a game inspiring ?

Wowzers she is hot, She is the possibly the only centauress I would consider a little Romantic interlude with

The state-of-the-art RPG romance already has you having sex with a bull. A horse is only the logical next step. As a heterosexual, homosexual romances appeal to me no more than zoophiliac romances would, and games these days are full of those. So it's not really that odd. Er....you not seriously comparing homosexual relationships to a relationship with a horse are you? We try to keep bigotry at a minimum on this forum, its not cool

No I contribute on other forums like BSN and RPS but I probably am most active here I enjoyed this post of yours, nice one. I'll still raise SJ issues so no need to worry about that. But I want to raise valid issues...and not just something for the sake of raising something and getting people all riled up Its got to be meaningful

Thats why I love these forums, we can often set the record straight. I did find the article hard to believe because in South Africa we have much more crime than Sweden and a high homicide rate yet there is no such thing as a "no-go" area for authorities. Yes police have to be careful in some areas but thats not the same thing as criminal gangs running a particular area Yes this whole article just seemed to paint a very harsh picture of Sweden and the impact and control that immigrants have. It did seem like right-wing propaganda.

I clearly stated the anti-GG side is also guilty of this...thats why I said this whole debate has just become toxic Great, tell the anti GG that they're being toxic and have them take responsibility for their harassers and hold their figureheads accountable when they mess up. You know damn well how toxic the SJWs where well before this, now they're getting some opposition which of course is going to escalate the situation. But there's an imperative to purge the toxic elements from gaming. Yes I would raise issues on toxicity if there was anti-GG thread on a forum that I was active on But I want to say something else. I have been thinking about why on this thread I have been accused of debating in bad faith, trolling and not answering questions. Normally I wouldn't take these accusations seriously as I would write them off as people getting defensive and resorting to personal attacks on my opinion But since these accusations are made by people who I consider reasonable I have tried to understand the criticisms better, especially if I say I believe in the importance of mature and constructive debate. Also I have had and do have many other discussions on other threads where I engage with people on topics where I don't seem to get lambasted as much and I find myself enjoying and understanding opposing views The reality is I just don't care about this this whole GG debate as much as the active members on this thread, I don't see it as a big or relevant issue to my life or in RL for that matter. For me there are much more important issues I would prefer to discuss like ISIS and the machinations of the USA political machinery And I know how seriously you guys take this topic or rather how much time you do spend on this topic, so I have decided its unfair and disingenuous of me to start discussions in this thread if I'm not going to give them the attention they deserve. In other words by not responding to all questions and reading all links presented. Because the reality is I don't read all the information presented because its not that important to me So I'm not just going to stop commenting regularly on this thread because I think its toxic but I'm going to rather let people engage who want to have these long debates like TN and Longknife. You are entitled to have these discussions even if I personally don't think they are really that important. I know it would annoy me if someone kept commenting on one my debates who didn't seem to be taking it seriously So I'll occasionally comment and of course I'll raise other SJ issue outside of this thread. I wanted to explain this because I don't want you guys to think I'm not commenting anymore just because its "toxic" ..that word is relative after all. Its more because I find myself just more willing to engage in other topics. I hope this makes sense and you don't see this as personal attack in anyway

This is a reasonably safe assumption, given that gutlessness is the rule of the day in the West. I read this link and its very worrying But its also 4 years old, I know there have been attempts in parts of the UK to turn areas into some sort of " Sharia law zone " but these attempts have always been criticised and dismissed by UK authorities. So I doubt this article is really accurate ? http://dailycaller.com/2014/11/02/swedish-police-release-extensive-report-detailing-control-of-55-no-go-zones-by-muslim-criminal-gangs/ This is a very concerning article, it represents the worst possible outcome IMO for multiculturalism where you have a country that has " no-go " areas due to the influence of criminal gangs who happen to be immigrants who ostensibly came to the country looking for economic opportunities I would love someone from Sweden to comment on this article, is it really that bad as this article says ? Are there really these "no-go " areas ?

Sure I get your point, Romance is suppose to be about a more realistic and immersive RPG experience. As you go on this epic quest to save the world you find feelings developing for someone in your party, the feelings are reciprocated and faced with the fact that the party spends many nights together around a trusty campfire Romance truly blossoms But we still need to consider the realistic side of intimacy. The reality is its highly unlikely you would have sex with a horse? Sorry to sound crude but thats what a centaur is basically I agree, Romance doesn't have to be about sex. So you could really spice things up in the game with a scorned fire godlike or some sort of impact to your party because your fire godlike wants Romance but thats not possible so it does something extreme like try to change its physical nature so it can attempt to form some sort of relationship So there are definitely nuances to Romance and how they should and can be implemented

I clearly stated the anti-GG side is also guilty of this...thats why I said this whole debate has just become toxic

Realistically you can only Romance a humanoid type creature, I made this point earlier but it was misunderstood. For example you can't expect to Romance a centaur because of the obviously different physiological features, a fire creature would present the same issue as mentioned because of the intimacy But nothing wrong with Romancing a Dwarf, Elf, Orc or any other kind of similar race

Now I'm back at work I'm going to be really watching what I eat, so its a salad for dinner with fish or some meat. And then I take food to work every day so I don't eat take-aways

Perhaps because it's not clear that ~2000 civilians were even massacred yet. Reports range from 'at least one hundred' to 'over 2000', with no one as yet confirming what exactly even happened. well, if only 100 people were killed... wait. what are you saying? folks should self-edit before posting. HA! Good Fun! Well exactly this is my point, even if the latest massacre is 150 people there have been at least a dozen mass killings by BH over the last 3 years. Even one attack is too many And the lack of meaningful action by the Nigerian government just exacerbates the situation

Yeah that's a good point, there are people who only play Bioware games and will judge others games because of their perceived lack of inclusivity So it goes both ways, you are right

Ironically, Mr. Warbutts is correct. If you do stay silent on #Gamergate and do not denounce antiGG (specifically the SJW extremists at the rotten core of antiGG), who very much operate through fear and intimidation, which is pretty much the definition of terrorism, albeit less violent (so far at least) than what is normally associated with that term, then you are turning a blind eye and enabling them. What you guys probably don't realise is this constant diatribe against SJW, calling them Nazis....calling them evil...associating them with terrorism is just misplaced venting and hyperbole At least you use the terms " SJW extremist " and try not to generalize. But imagine going to someone outside this debate and saying " OMG these SJW are terrorists ".... " why what did they do, are they like the Paris attackers " " no they are people who want more equality in games and push inclusivity " "but they are terrorists correct, like Al-Qaeda " " well no, they are just bloggers and people who comment through social media about changes they want to see in gaming industry" " Oh......but you say they are terrorists ....I'm confused " And yes elements of anti-GG are also guilty of this behavior and invective This whole discussion has just become toxic and unhelpful which is why I have decided to not participate anymore in it, except for the odd comment

This is a reasonably safe assumption, given that gutlessness is the rule of the day in the West. I read this link and its very worrying But its also 4 years old, I know there have been attempts in parts of the UK to turn areas into some sort of " Sharia law zone " but these attempts have always been criticised and dismissed by UK authorities. So I doubt this article is really accurate ?

I look at a game like DA2, and I think it is a terrible game with very few redeeming qualities. I look at a game like Mass Effect 1, and I see a game that I could never enjoy but looks generally decent, with some things construable as strengths. Same with KOTOR. And if we want to talk about the Codex, or any other hypothetical group of 'Bio haters', I think you'd find that many of them individually have different opinions. Some of them even seem to write off BG series, while others clearly like Bio games enough to buy and play them. Now if you want to talk details about why I or anyone else might consider any of these games, we can! We can talk about the single player MMO grind combat of DA:I, the quest writing behind DA2, the screensaver combat of KOTOR, the Four MacGuffins of NWN1... obviously, I didn't feel the need to write a book about it in this thread. Doesn't mean you can say "hey, you clearly are a Biohater who has no evidence for his opinion." (There is another assumption running through your response, which is that games which millions of people buy and play could not possibly be terrible. Well, I can see why people would go with that. I don't subscribe to it. We're all capable of enjoying terrible things, whether in the realm of popular culture or in more serious realms of violence, racism, whatever.) Basically my point is simple. Why do some people say harsh things about a game, or a line of games, or a company that makes those games? The most likely answer: they really don't like those games. They really did not enjoy those games, and/or they think the games are objectively terrible. If we want to dispute those judgments, sure, that's why we come to these forums. If we want to sit there and say "oh those people don't count, they just hate Bioware because of what happened 10 years ago" or "oh those people just hate Bio games for no reason", well... I'm sure that's true for some people, but I find that a rather irrational and unreasonable stance. Tigranes let me ask you a different question because you a reasonable person who I believe who will ruminate on the question and then answer honestly This dislike of Bioware I understand can be perfectly justified for some people, but how much of this dislike do you think is really motivated by the fact that Bioware has been one of the first companies to challenge traditional gaming "norms" and be really inclusive for their fanbase So in other words they have gay characters and optional gay Romance options. Do you not think this is another factor to the whole fall of Bioware in the eyes of some of the previous fans? I doubt people would admit this but I believe this is a contributing reason?