BruceVC

They were profitable back when their top priority was making quality games instead of releasing a cash grab "blockbuster" every year. And I'm not sure they're quite as profitable these days especially if we adjust for inflation. Caring about money and only about money is always bad for business in the long run. Sure I agree money isn't everything but to a large corporation it is and that's understandable as that is how large corporation, and most businesses, are measured. And that profit is used to reinvest, pay dividends, pay salaries and bonuses, hire new staff, encourage investment and many other logical and practicable reasons for a company needing to be profitable And EA is no weak taskmaster, they would have no compunction in closing down or restructuring Bioware if it wasn't making money. So Bioware must be profitable which is what I would expect

Thank you for answering A question, Bioware like all companies is expected to make profit. And obviously there gaming formulae of inclusivity is working because they continuing with it so that must mean sales of there games are good. So don't you think in fact its not a vocal minority that want inclusivity, like the LGBT crowd, but the majority of fans who are happy with the direction that Bioware is going? Because surly if the majority of fans were unhappy with Bioware games they wouldn't be supporting them financially?

Bruce... I think the issue was with your interpretation. I've bold faced the most common (in my little world) use of the word propaganda. I.e. usually to promote an idea (or "agenda"), not to destroy governments. But this is really a discussion for another thread Edit to add: From the same link, the origin of the word (supporting the idea that its about spreading a message): C18: from Italian, use of propāgandā in the New Latin title Sacra Congregatio de Propaganda Fide Sacred Congregation for Propagating the Faith Yes the word can mean you want to to spread a message, like Goebbels and his propaganda ministry, or propaganda can mean you want to damage something through your words Either definition can be applicable but that's not really what I want to focus on. I still want someone to explain to me how Bioware is spreading propaganda ?

You do realize that this Harvard member is not just attacking Anita but also the supporters of GG ? He states " Yet this is the modus operandi of GamerGate’s detractors, and its supporters. They are the nearest thing today to engineered narcissists. For they are so slavishly conditioned and socialized to one-sided rhetoric, to invoke Meg Wolitzer, they have butter, but no bread" So we are all idiots to him

I'm genuinely intrigued. Do you get drunk before these posts, or do they get you high in their own right? Eric Garner was killed for not paying his protection money. He simply wasn't paying his dues. NYC government considers itself head of the cigarette cartel in the city, and killed this man while enforcing that cartel's position. One has to be intoxicated on koolaide to not see that for what it is. I'm sorry but that's nonsense, Garner wasn't assassinated by the police for not paying protection money. You are starting to sound like Vals, next thing you will be expecting us to believe that 9/11 wasn't committed by Al-Qaeda He died while resisting arrest, you do know that arresting arrest is illegal right? Grossly misinterpreting someone else and in putting words they never wrote or uttered in your post as if they stated them. as usual. He didn't say anyone was assassinated. He said: "NYC government considers itself head of the cigarette cartel in the city, and killed this man while enforcing that cartel's position." [bolding mine for emphasis on what he stated in contrast to what you stated he said.] You're essentially a socialist. If there's anyone that I've seen post on this board that is a card carrying Marxist, knowing or unknowing, it's you. Coincidentally (or not), if there's one person I've see on this forum spout mainstream marxist narrative BS as if it's the truth again and again, it's you. You slurp up mainstream western propaganda like a starving pig slurps at his trough and then gleefully plops into your pile of poo slinging it everywhere, as to you the world looks better covered that way, and nevermind if the other creatures in it don't want it that way. You think you know better for people on the other side of the world what is good for them than they do. You support all sorts of evil BS that oppresses, ruins, and quite literally destroys lives. In your mind you probably actually think you're doing good, but the reality is you've been seduced by evil that appeals to your base emotions and superficial thinking at the expense of reason, logic, immediate and long term realities. I certainly do not expect you to see the forest through the trees you've surrounded yourself with and correctly see the situation for what it is. You support all sorts of laws, and fail to realize (or just don't really care) that every law that's ever passed is ultimately enforced at the end of a barrel of a gun if it's enforced. Even the ridiculous ones than many ignoramuses think are nothing but helpful such as an excessive tax on cigarettes, or a must wear seat belt law. Sometimes, that gun is fired, literally or figuratively, but it is always aimed during enforcement, if not literally then figuratively as threat is there. Unfortunately for Eric Garner, he was killed during the enforcement a law that people such as yourself wanted enacted and enforced. People who think they know better for others what's good for them than they do and would deprive such people of the basic freedoms to decide for themselves, as well as wants the state to enforce your ideas upon others. And with force, as that's the only way it's done. The State is force. "Government is not reason; it is not eloquent; it is force. Like fire, it is a dangerous servant and a fearful master." - Washington You would burn the world with the oppressive fire of your ideal government if you could, knowingly or unknowningly. As for 9/11. You're the one who keeps bringing that up, not I. I'm pretty positive I've never actually directly discussed 9/11 on these forums. Some time back I did make a couple of posts about cognitive dissonance and linked a video discussing it, in part in the context of 9/11. You suffer so much from cognitive dissonance that you failed to see the entire point of the video. Instead suffering a knee-jerk reaction because something in it went against a fragile world view that you need to preserve for yourself so much you close your eyes to various truths all around you, and would marginalize or 'kill the messenger' rather than receive the message. I doubt I'm a true Marxist as you claim, I believe in strong and effective government institutions like education and healthcare but the private industry must be responsible for growing the economy. Taxes would be relatively high but people can still be very independently wealthy, I like the Scandinavian systems of government. They seem to give most of there citizens a fair deal ? And yes sometimes the state has to force in order to ensure we don't have chaos. And that would include a person not resisting arrest Also for the record since you seem defensive about it I have a very important question to ask you " do you think Al-Qaeda committed 9/11 " ?

Did you even read the dictionary article you linked? Propaganda is about making others believe what you believe. To achieve your goals you may spread incomplete or biased information but it's not the point. Even if you don't withhold information or misinterpret facts it's still propaganda if you're actively pursuing any kind of political agenda. --- But I think criticizing DA:I for pushing LGBT supremacy ideas and having correspondingly tokenized CNPCs is really not necessary. I hate SJW crap as much as any sane gamer next to me but we must admit that DA:I is just a terribad game with or without its political agenda. Even if stripped of all controversial content it would be just as bad. The combined weight of other issues would still drag it down to garbage level. Heck, "gather X of Y" quests alone are enough to never touch this game with a 10-foot pole (unless you like the idea of playing a singe-player MMO for some reason). Did you read the definition I posted ? I'll quote it directly "the organized dissemination of information, allegations, etc, to assist or damage the cause of a government, movement, etc" So I'll stand by my definition as its from an English dictionary And I'll ask the question again " how is the optional inclusion of same sex relationships propaganda "

No problem, its an easy mistake to make

Bethesda don't bother about LGBT things, or atheism things, or current political things, they make games for games, but Bioware now become a tool of propagandas Don't you think its important that development companies start to recognise and be more inclusive around SJ issues like what the LGBT community is asking for? Its not like its in your face and ruins the game but at least Bioware allows same sex relationships for that part of the fanbase? If i am a game developer, i don't give a damn about all these things, i make a story and i make a game, i sell it, that what i do. I will not allow my work become a propaganda tool of the real world. if they want to make a game to please LGBT groups, why not include everyone....Muslims, Christians, Jews, Hindus, Buddhists, Sikhs...blind people, deft people, disability people and so on? "i representing all Muslims, please Bioware make a Muslim good and accepted in your game and not a terrorist", why not? "I am a Christian, please Bioware make a game with Christian value, Lord Jesus is our Savior and will save us all!", why not? "i have only one hand, please Bioware make a game that can be played with one hand", why not? Bioware is clearly a propaganda tool, why slective group being pleased in their games now? Does the main character have any option to "reject" such thing? No? That's the problem, if they include it, LGBT people will call it "homophobia". They don't include it because that is their agenda, you must accept LGBT things in Thedas, in their game world, they must include that, and you must accept it. That is why it is a bad thing, and that's not justice I am probably misunderstanding your point because its a language translation issue But how exactly is Bioware creating propaganda? Just to be clear the definition of propaganda is where you use misinformation to discredit or destroy something http://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english/propaganda So I'm confused about what Bioware is trying to destroy? How is implementing gay relationships in an RPG a form of propaganda?

Volo would it possible to leave the grandstanding of the GG thread in the GG thread so we can discuss issues like inclusivity without all this hyperbole?

Bethesda don't bother about LGBT things, or atheism things, or current political things, they make games for games, but Bioware now become a tool of propagandas Don't you think its important that development companies start to recognise and be more inclusive around SJ issues like what the LGBT community is asking for? Its not like its in your face and ruins the game but at least Bioware allows same sex relationships for that part of the fanbase?

I watched the video, it really didn't look like murder. The cops tried to restrain him, Garner was a big guy, and in there efforts to restrain him he died. But the whole issue of using a chokehold is definitely controversial as this is illegal

I have seen mixed reviews about this game, so lets hope I enjoy it

So while I wait for the first official patch for DA:I, I only play games after the first patch, I have decided to play Inquisitor http://store.steampowered.com/app/241620/ Not sure if anyone has played it, it looks good. Apparently its a "dark RPG "

Ctn2003 many people on these forums are dog lovers and generally just animal lovers. So this type of post we find reprehensible and appalling

I'm genuinely intrigued. Do you get drunk before these posts, or do they get you high in their own right? Eric Garner was killed for not paying his protection money. He simply wasn't paying his dues. NYC government considers itself head of the cigarette cartel in the city, and killed this man while enforcing that cartel's position. One has to be intoxicated on koolaide to not see that for what it is. I'm sorry but that's nonsense, Garner wasn't assassinated by the police for not paying protection money. You are starting to sound like Vals, next thing you will be expecting us to believe that 9/11 wasn't committed by Al-Qaeda He died while resisting arrest, you do know that arresting arrest is illegal right?

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Nonek I'm sorry to say this but that's terrible advice.....like really bad And because you are the person that claim its a bad advice it makes it great for most people. you make me laugh

Nonek I'm sorry to say this but that's terrible advice.....like really bad

Oh Hurlshot you little Romance lover you...don't be embarrassed..celebrate it Did you feel guilty about your characters actions because it sounds like you were using her?

Nah we like discussing this stuff over and over again. Besides I have set myself a personal vow...so I can't break it ....that I won't stop discussing Romance until Stun agrees that Romance is a relevant part of an RPG journey. I basically want him to agree that Romance makes sense. Now you can imagine how much work that is

Not all of us gayfolk would write a world where everyone humps everyone. I personally prefer Robert E. Howard's take on things. And I believe the movie Osvir spoke about was Caligula.. but that may be because, for reasons that are obvious to those that have seen it, the only non-comedy movie I've seen that's set in Roman times. Sorry for being a little hostile earlier, I did think you were being homophobic and its something that really bothers me I live in South Africa and you can't be sexist or racist in our new multi-racial country but you can still be homophobic and it really frustrates me Anyway I am glad I didn't assume what I thought, sorry for the misunderstanding

Definitely use your power to give an inspirational speech, that's a no-brainer

This thread is an absolute winner, its like reading some fantasy novel. Good stuff..and all your effort is really appreciated Endrosz

Sorry, but you need hard evidence that SJWs care about how women are treated. Like time slips from your local battered women's shelter, receipts of charitable donations to said shelter, photos of SJWs in Syria killing members of ISIS and freeing the women they've enslaved, etc. Your word that SJWs care about the treatment of women really is not good enough. So SJW should be in Syria and Iraq fighting ISIS to prove they care about womens rights Once again I am suppose to take these types of comments seriously No, you don't have to. It's total snark. Also, it's the internet. You have complete control over what you take seriously. I have a follow-up question though. What have you done to help social justice issues lately? Do you donate to charities? If you reveal this, you may get a more favourable view other than "you're all talk", which is what Pseudo's post here boils down to. If you're uncomfortable discussing this information, I'll start: I donated 5€ to Warchild just yesterday (I wanted to do more, but I'm flat broke this month due to moving and getting a new car), I donated 20€ to Humble Bundle last month (to be fair, I get games in return for that) and the month before bought a 24€ shirt from a Markiplier 24 Hour Livestreaming Charity drive, although I can't recall what the charity was since I've donated to a lot of them. I think it was a children's hospital. It's not much, but I don't have much to give at the moment. Man, the quoting system is going crazy today... I don't want you guys to take this wrong way but I don't support various SJ causes because I want people on this forum to either accept me as sincere or to make my comments more credible. Its irrelevant to me if people like Pseudo believe me or not. That's not why I say I am " SJW ", I do it because I believe its the right thing to do because we are living in a time where despite all our advancements there are many cases of discrimination and bigotry that exist in various forms. And if we just keep quiet we don't help the problem The whole sexism in the gaming industry is just part of this whole campaign and its relatively a small part. I am not uncomfortable at all discussing what I do to assist various SJ causes but it seems almost like hubris to tell people on a forum, who ultimately are just names...its not like we really know each other, all my endeavors. As you pointed out there is an automatic prejudice towards some of my comments from some people so its not like people like Volo are going to say " wow BruceVC spends time in a shelter for battered women..that's so inspirational. I'm going to do the same " And the people that do support me don't really need to ask me proof of my commitment to SJ causes But since I do like you and you always go to great lengths to articulate your point I will gladly answer. I donate to various children's orphanages in South Africa, these children are all orphans because there parents are dead from AIDS. We have lots of them in South Africa. I attend regular meetings for a rape support group because my ex-girlfriend was raped 4 years ago and I have never forgotten the utter helplessness of not being able to say or do anything at the time to comfort her. I also am very active on a prominent radio station in South Africa where various SJ issues get raised and discussed. This helps to inform people that things like being gay is okay and that as a women you are allowed to decide who you should want to marry. There are other things I do but that should suffice

Sorry, but you need hard evidence that SJWs care about how women are treated. Like time slips from your local battered women's shelter, receipts of charitable donations to said shelter, photos of SJWs in Syria killing members of ISIS and freeing the women they've enslaved, etc. Your word that SJWs care about the treatment of women really is not good enough. So SJW should be in Syria and Iraq fighting ISIS to prove they care about womens rights Once again I am suppose to take these types of comments seriously