BruceVC

Nonek you do realize that just because a particular women hasn't experienced sexism in the gaming industry that doesn't mean that sexism doesn't exist in that industry, you know that right? Its not just her though. Jade Raymond said she didn't have much experience with it either, and they are the only established female game devs to have really commented on it. The ones complaining about rampant sexism in the games industry are people who have never held a real game dev job nor produced anything worth a damn. Yes, that doesn't mean there isn't sexism, but if women who have been in the industry for decades haven't had any experiences of note regarding sexism throughout their career, it can't be as rampant as the LW's claim. I can produce an excellent link that was posted on Polygon that goes into great detail around the systemic sexism that has existed for decades in the gaming industry. This is from the publishers as well. I have posted it before but can post it again ? Yes its not rampant but it still exists and Nonek was suggesting it doesn't exist. I was challenging that view

Nonek you do realize that just because a particular women hasn't experienced sexism in the gaming industry that doesn't mean that sexism doesn't exist in that industry, you know that right?

I'm not Barothmuk, but I think I can answer some of those. For instance, despite the fact that I'm a male, I'm being discriminated against by the justice system since the passing of a law in 2004 to protect against "gender-based violence". It's hilarious really, because the then-incumbent minister that is responsible for the law, has been himself a victim of a bogus complaint. Just a single complaint, mind, could mean that I would lose the right to see my kids, if I had any, without the need for the complaint to result in a conviction. Yes, that is sexism. Regarding civil liberties, a new "public safety" bill has been passed that, for instance, makes it illegal to record police interventions under certain circumstances*, and to protest in front of public institutions and buildings, which has resulted in such absurd occurrences as a "virtual protest". I can also be fined or even imprisoned for burning the flag or otherwise "offending Spain". Thankfully, our Interior minister clarifies: "offense is that which offends". Well I'm so ****ing relieved. Yes, this is in the mother****ing 21st century. Other countries' flags are fine, though. As for unsustainable exploitation of natural resources, it affects me directly, for instance with fish prices. Just three weeks ago our local fishing grounds were functionally exhausted for the season due to, among other things, bottom trawling, which is cheap, indiscriminate, but not illegal despite the fact that it destroys the ability of the ecosystem to recover from fishing. This leads to our fishing fleets having to travel deeper into sea or into other countries' fishing grounds, which raises prices for me. This is without going into how contaminated** food is in general (and fish in particular) due to industrial activity, which raises the risk of cancer, food poisoning, allergies, etc for me. Want me to go on? Look, I get it, the sun's shining, you're in love, everything's great for you and it could be for me too if I just smiled more. I just can't stop thinking that no matter how hard I smile like a moron, things aren't getting better for future generations. Sorry to rain on your parade. *to be determined... by the police. I don't know 2133 but your points don't seem that serious enough to suggest that we don't live a the greatest era of mankind. To me this is probably unique to Spain so its doesn't really change the broader message which is positive

Isn't Romance sweet

Yeah I enjoyed that game, I just found parts of the story confusing so I had to research it at the end

Nonek you have this whole thing wrong but I am not going to go into detail to refute it because the truth is you don't care about the plight of strippers...it would be demeaning to my relationship with the girls if I had to explain it to you Sorry about that

Sometimes, I think some of the things you say are just trolling. Unfortunately, I know better at this point... Yes sometimes the desensitized truth can be so startling to the average person the immediate reaction is " he must be trolling " Prism was created to help the NSA protect America...weird but true When it comes to things a government comes up with we need to be less concerned with what it was designed to do and more concerned with what it can do. Or what a future government might do with it. Okay sure, Prism could be abused in some sort of bizarro alternative future for the USA where the federal government becomes ideologically dictatorial ...yes this could happen and its powerful and effective But for me I dwell in the current reality where that isn't going to happen GD do you really worry about a time where the federal government just starts killing people mercilessly and basically there is major conflict between some states and the Fed government ?

Yes I can see how GG has made some progress, well done. Its not all bad you know But I was referring to the objective of getting those websites to close down...but they still open and they still don't like GG Oh no Nonek I really thought we had moved beyond the whole " you are a social justice hypocrite because you go to stripclubs " story? Unless there is another reason I am a hypocrite?

Sometimes, I think some of the things you say are just trolling. Unfortunately, I know better at this point... Yes sometimes the desensitized truth can be so startling to the average person the immediate reaction is " he must be trolling " Prism was created to help the NSA protect America...weird but true

Yeah I do like the emoticon...but it is accurate because I am chuckling and its because sometimes you make me laugh....but its not malicious Oh how is that consumer revolt going ? 8 months in I assume we would have seen the results yet I think RPS, Polygon and other websites are still operating ? And why would I say I support SJ if I didn't ? Why would i pretend....that makes no sense

You could be right.....I went back and read it again. Good observation If its any consolation they cannot change history because that is there intention. Everything is accurately recorded ...they will just destroy the objects and buildings

What about 8. The primordial thrill of eating the raw heart of the animal you have just killed on the hunt ( no need to be politically correct with us but I appreciate the sentiment )

GD thank you for being honest...your view is important because some people won't believe it if I say it..things are actually rather good But GD now I have to remind you about something..and I know you will be honest When Obama was reelected a second time you became unusually depressed and said this was the beginning of the end and we should all invest in gold How do you now feel about that perspective?

I'm not a hothead. "We can't tell you what we've been doing and won't show you, but trust us it's all ok." You can put lipstick on a pig, but it's still a pig. I don't care how you try to dress up invasion of privacy, it's still a violation of rights and morally wrong. No it doesn't. 1984 wasn't an instruction manual Bruce. Real wages have stagnated since the 70's, with real wealth for the poorest declining. Wealth for the poor is not declining; it's improving. While wages have stagnated, the cost of living and of luxuries have been lowering. Just about everyone is getting wealthier; just some are getting wealthier much faster than others. Huh? Most data I've seen seems to contradict that. Especially considering that real prices of gas have ballooned to ridiculous amounts, taking a much larger chunk of spending than previously. Granted Videogames and streaming have gone down in price, but printed works(especially comics, but no one pays for that) and cable seem to have risen faster than inflation. Only thing a quick search could turn up: http://gabriel-zucman.eu/files/SaezZucman2014.pdf If you have some data I'd like to see it. KP I'm clearly not explaining my point properly because you don't seem to get it So firstly yes, there are some things you just need to trust us on But this is not a pig, this is an adoption of a strategy. The same methodology that is used to track the communication of extremists can also theoretically be used to spy on people ...but that is not its intention. So you are right about its potential use but wrong around the practical use of it. Big difference You're explaining your point fine Bruce, your point is just wrong. I have to say what never ceases to amaze me about these forums is the lack of support from our American friends towards these types of initiatives ...like Prism Its designed to protect you and your families yet you only see the negative and criticize it....it boggles my mind

No don't misunderstand me, I am still opposed to GG but I don't agree with everything from anti-GG Also I don't feel the need to dispute or challenge every GG link you guys provide. So I'm more of a interested bystander in this whole event ...but I haven't changed or compromised my SJ loyalties which has very little to do with anti-GG anyway "various sites have been exposed and forced to implement ethical policies, but these are self regulated and as we see regularly the false narratives, the corruption and the anti consumer bias is still present. There is in the end no accountability, no punishments and no ethical standards to adhere to except what the publications make themselves and can easily weasel around and manipulate to their own advantage. As long as supposedly customer focused sites are mocking the victims of bomb threats, and abusive morons are laughing at their pathetic witticisms, then there is still a problem to combat. " So you consider that a victory Nonek....I must say you set yourself very low standards. It reads to me more of a " accepting defeat in a mature and constructive way " speech

I must say they have created a new level of reprehensible for me, Al-Qaeda held that position previously

Well to be fair its just one article on the Middle East page and they cover everything else? Also its about the extinction of a species of bird so I would say its relevant ?

Definitely Rachel...how annoying to get woken up like that

I am a very fortunate person as I am always in a good mood and happy...so its hard to mention one specific thing

I don't think we are derailing the thread, we are merely discussing an unusual element of it

"We can't tell you what we've been doing and won't show you, but trust us it's all ok." You can put lipstick on a pig, but it's still a pig. I don't care how you try to dress up invasion of privacy, it's still a violation of rights and morally wrong. No it doesn't. 1984 wasn't an instruction manual Bruce. Real wages have stagnated since the 70's, with real wealth for the poorest declining. Wealth for the poor is not declining; it's improving. While wages have stagnated, the cost of living and of luxuries have been lowering. Just about everyone is getting wealthier; just some are getting wealthier much faster than others. Huh? Most data I've seen seems to contradict that. Especially considering that real prices of gas have ballooned to ridiculous amounts, taking a much larger chunk of spending than previously. Granted Videogames and streaming have gone down in price, but printed works(especially comics, but no one pays for that) and cable seem to have risen faster than inflation. Only thing a quick search could turn up: http://gabriel-zucman.eu/files/SaezZucman2014.pdf If you have some data I'd like to see it. KP I'm clearly not explaining my point properly because you don't seem to get it So firstly yes, there are some things you just need to trust us on But this is not a pig, this is an adoption of a strategy. The same methodology that is used to track the communication of extremists can also theoretically be used to spy on people ...but that is not its intention. So you are right about its potential use but wrong around the practical use of it. Big difference

- Wealth inequality- Unsustainable resource exploitation - Poverty - Racism - Sexism - The continued erosion of our civil liberties For the Love of God and all the little pixies... wealth inequality is not a bad thing. Poverty is a bad thing. Starving is a bad thing. Having no prospect of ever having a job is a bad thing. I'd be depressed about this particular meme, but it died out in the eighties. Mainly BECAUSE WE COULD DIRECTLY LOOK AT COMMUNISM AND SEE IT WAS BULLS***. It can die out again. Well said my English friend, you're a military man. You know the way the world works, I assume you can understand why various governments have increased data monitoring of there citizens? You right of course about the whole redundant Communism concept ...yet it seems to resurface in different places and with different motives. In my own country there is a f***g political party called the EFF that seriously advocates mass nationalization of all banks and mines, taking from the whites and " the people owning the land" ...and they received 1 million votes....so this interest in old school socialism\communism is real and cannot be dismissed

Yes I agree. And you mustn't underestimate the dislike and resentment that many people who support GG have for people like Anita And its just as extreme from some people on the anti-GG side. You can see how some people on anti-GG are now only interested in a game that addresses SJ points, everything else is ignored which is sad and seems to miss the main point of a game...to have fun. Like that review of the Witcher 3 from Polygon. So the battle lines are drawn and intransigence is the order of the day for some people. There isn't any real discussion outside of forums like this, its more about criticism and outrage. My advice is be like me, I don't get too involved and can at least have a debate with both sides

"We won't use this data we've collected and stored on you without your consent to do anything wrong, we promise!" Are you seriously arguing that because terrorists so inept that a bomb they sowed into a man's underwear failed to detonate after he successfully boarded a plane haven't been able to pull off a 9/11 the NSA(and other authorities) are doing an excellent job? So spying on citizens does "an excellent job" but they still aren't going to be able to stop a couple of guys who made bombs in the garage? I'd hardly consider that a justification for invasion of privacy and would instead consider it proof that the war on terror failed badly. There have been many successful prevention's of terrorist attacks since 9/11, you just don't hear about all of them. So don't think that all the CIA and NSA initiatives are about that one incident. Its much more complex and effective than that Also remember that this war against terrorism is also fought on the Internet. So whether you like it or not all countries involved in this war have to implement measures that allow them to monitor the flow of electronic data. This is not an attack on the civil rights of citizens but its just the reality of the interconnected world we live in and how extremist groups use the Internet to plan and formulate strategies. You could argue that a system like Prism is going too far and I understand that but I would argue " can a government ever go too when trying to keep its citizens safe " So you really need to see the reasonable reasons for this increased monitoring...it makes sense under the circumstances

that made me laugh