BruceVC

No come now Nonek I find it hard to believe you of all people hasn't had a more moronic debate...lets be honest ? And I see you still don't get the argument on why hookers should be removed..none of the other NPC's in GTA are also victims in RL

Okay so there was an article on Polygon that raised this point and I supported it..but now I'm not so convinced anymore In summary many hookers in RL are subjected to real attacks of violence and abuse...and in GTA you can kill hookers so it just adds to the stereotype of how badly hookers are treated. Also where are the male gay hookers if you want to represent the sex industry? By that justification, shouldn't black men be removed because they are the most likely to be murdered? You not seriously comparing the quality of life of African Americans and hookers..you not suggesting they are the same? The point that Polygon made can be argued and I am prepared to have the debate with you if you want?

Okay so there was an article on Polygon that raised this point and I supported it..but now I'm not so convinced anymore In summary many hookers in RL are subjected to real attacks of violence and abuse...and in GTA you can kill hookers so it just adds to the stereotype of how badly hookers are treated. Also where are the male gay hookers if you want to represent the sex industry?

How about following your own earlier advice and not buy the game in the first place if you don't like the game design decisions? Thats a strange point from someone of your reasonable nature and intelligence My issue with having hookers in GTAV is not serious enough that I would not buy the game...thats just silly Hookers must represent about 1-3 % of the overall game It was you who first suggested that course Bruce, not me. Just remind me of the context? here's your quote from this thread: Mature discussion on LGBT/Feminists who want to censor games. Since I know you don't advocate piracy, I simply took the logical leap that paying and buying were synonomous Yes ...but I see now contradiction in what I said ? My point is absolutely valid, if a person doesn't like game design decisions then don't buy the game but for me having hookers in GTAV is not such an egregious decision that I feel I need to now not buy the game. If I felt strongly enough about a design feature then I would boycott a game, like Hatred

How about following your own earlier advice and not buy the game in the first place if you don't like the game design decisions? Thats a strange point from someone of your reasonable nature and intelligence My issue with having hookers in GTAV is not serious enough that I would not buy the game...thats just silly Hookers must represent about 1-3 % of the overall game It was you who first suggested that course Bruce, not me. Just remind me of the context?

How about following your own earlier advice and not buy the game in the first place if you don't like the game design decisions? Thats a strange point from someone of your reasonable nature and intelligence My issue with having hookers in GTAV is not serious enough that I would not buy the game...thats just silly Hookers must represent about 1-3 % of the overall game

Who said I want to remove hookers from GTAV because I dont like what they do in RL? As I have said several times I have no issue with sex workers or strippers And no sex is not bad but thats not the point

1) It is unreasonable for a game the size and scope of GTA. 2) Why? Judge your own actions. Why do you need the author to tell you right from wrong? Why do you need the virtual world to be policed? I am loving GTAV but they should just remove hookers completely from the game, it will have a negligible impact on the overall game play but reduce the controversy Yes, because this very corner of the internet didn't just explode for a few days simply because of the removal of a poem from a niche game. Yeah there would be a level of outrage but it would be misplaced like the limerick event Besides companies are allowed to make changes to gaming formulas if they feel it is relevant

Yes that would also work..but I am not suggesting we remove anything else...just the hookers

So that is what it's all about then? You are not going to listen to people of a different nationality? I am incredibly grateful that's not how things work in the scientific world. There's nothing inherently "Scandinavian" about proportional representation. The two most popular systems of proportional representation were first formulated in Belgium and France (although France uses neither of them, obviously). Nevertheless, this has nothing to do with culture. Back in the days everybody used FPTP variants, because it's the simplest way to arrange elections. Then at some point it became feasible to use more advanced systems, which might require voting results to be summed up centrally before final results can be announced, and more complicated mathematical formulae. At that point a lot of people switched to proportional representation, becuase that is what most people want out of democracy - that the parliament reflects national voter sympathies. The old system of FPTP voting is instead an absurd game where the biggest party wins, which might not reflect popular opinion at all. If 20% vote right-wing and 80% vote left-wing, but spread their votes evenly across eight parties, the right-wing will win. If this is not a complete bankruptcy of a voting system, then I don't know what is. This is also illustrated in practice by the Green Party in the UK elections, which serves as a spoiler for the left-wing. But this has nothing at all to do with what we are discussing. Nothing. At. All. This is about proportional representation, in case you have missed it. Not what people vote for in certain countries. In any case, the last Swedish election resulting in a left-wing majority took place in 2002 - 13 years ago. There has not been a consistent left-wing majority in polls for some time. You heard it from me first - you might want to revise your picture of Sweden as a left-wing country. Just look at the UK - the results of proportional representation would disfavour the Tories most, and favour the UKIP instead. That's definitely a shift to the right. SNP would also be hit hard by proportional representation. Dont take Monte's comment personally Ros..you know the English, very intransigent The rest of us really enjoy your insights. I wish my country was run like the the Scandinavian countries ..I think overall you guys have the most effective government model to uplift your citizens and ensure economic prosperity

1) It is unreasonable for a game the size and scope of GTA. 2) Why? Judge your own actions. Why do you need the author to tell you right from wrong? Why do you need the virtual world to be policed? I am loving GTAV but they should just remove hookers completely from the game, it will have a negligible impact on the overall game play but reduce the controversy

Which they shouldn't, according to you, because...? I find worrisome that there exists so many idiots in this society. You're dodging the question. Unlike what our experience in first grade has taught us, calling people who don't agree with us names does not count as a coherent argument about why they're wrong. Nice try, because i never implied that they shouldn't say anything. People can say whatever they want, but if it is idiotic, it simply just is, as i pointed out. I give you a B+. Yes but why are they idiotic...its not enough to say " they are idiots " ...why are they idiots ?

Irrefutable proof of how hard Finnish is to comprehend for mortal man

My citation says 10 per 100,000 deaths. Personally, I do not look it as numbers so much as I do lives. Do you realize that 10 deaths per 100,000, if we were to apply that to Obsidian forums as an example, means ten of us would be gone right now. Every life should be valued. I know that sounds corny, but think about yourself, all your uniqueness and all your stories and opinions you'd like to tell, and every single other human on earth is exactly as unique. The phrase "you are special, just like everyone" is infact not a paradox. 10 per 100000 deaths in the US are due to guns? Last study I looked at(http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/809516) shows obesity being responsible for 18.2% of deaths. That's 18200 per 100000. Being obese kills 1820x the rate of a machine designed to kill. I'd say violence is certainly isn't much, and obesity is easier to address both culturally and legally than guns, which are protected by an amendment and one of the most effective political lobbies in the world. As someone who has personally suffered with weight issues, including obesity, I can say that it is much worse than the statistically insignificant damage gun violence causes, in that it renders the lives of those who suffer with it plagued with health problems and a sense of worthlessness. Addressing the issues that cause obesity, such as the crap food available to low-income households or the lack of education in nutrition and fitness is also easier to do than touch gun ownership. I always notice that when I visit the USA..you have the most beautiful people in the world but also seemingly the most obese

Which they shouldn't, according to you, because...? I find worrisome that there exists so many idiots in this society. That doesn't really answer the question...or am I missing some nuances here?

Here advanced course to spoken Finnish... * Links were meant to only for Meshugger who in my knowledge knows Finnish and lives in Finland, which is why he referenced largest Finnish Newspaper , when he said that he didn't find any news about the conflict. ** Also i made English summary of those news in my post before those links *** Sorry the of topic Finland needs to abolish finnish and change it back to the swedish like the one Snellman talked. Just like God intended. Finnish can be a curiosity like Gaelic. @ Meshugger Do you and Elerond both live in Helsinki? I currently live in Tampere, which is third biggest city in Finland that locates bit under 200km north from Helsinki. I don't have any knowledge where Meshugger lives, but from his suggestion I would guess that he lives somewhere where those some demon language (Swedish) speaking bättre folk (Swedish speaking Finns) live. Asun suomessa jossakin...ja veden lähellä tietysti. Jos on lammen, joen tai meren lähellä en viitti sanoa. Guys remember most of us can't speak Finnish.....English please What did you say Meshugger ? He said: "I live somewhere in Finland... and of course near water. If that is near pound, river or sea I don't care to tell" (that specification that he lives near water dosen't narrow the area anyway as there isn't residential area in Finland that isn't near to water) I used a Finnish to English translator...check how it translated " I live in Finland somewhere ... and near water, of course. If there is a pond, river or near the sea, I say, give me a break "

Here advanced course to spoken Finnish... * Links were meant to only for Meshugger who in my knowledge knows Finnish and lives in Finland, which is why he referenced largest Finnish Newspaper , when he said that he didn't find any news about the conflict. ** Also i made English summary of those news in my post before those links *** Sorry the of topic Finland needs to abolish finnish and change it back to the swedish like the one Snellman talked. Just like God intended. Finnish can be a curiosity like Gaelic. @ Meshugger Do you and Elerond both live in Helsinki? I currently live in Tampere, which is third biggest city in Finland that locates bit under 200km north from Helsinki. I don't have any knowledge where Meshugger lives, but from his suggestion I would guess that he lives somewhere where those some demon language (Swedish) speaking bättre folk (Swedish speaking Finns) live. Asun suomessa jossakin...ja veden lähellä tietysti. Jos on lammen, joen tai meren lähellä en viitti sanoa. Guys remember most of us can't speak Finnish.....English please What did you say Meshugger ?

I'm going to be honest and say I don't know, I watch 4 major international news channels and only CNN mentioned it briefly...which is weird because normally this type of story is on Al-Jazeera at least...it may be now so I will check http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-32695909 http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-32686628 http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-32680904 http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-32679984 http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/may/11/macedonia-violence-nikola-gruevski-government http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/may/10/macedonia-police-alleged-armed-group-balkans-kumanovo http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/05/10/macedonia-police-idUSL5N0Y00LP20150510 http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/05/11/us-macedonia-crisis-storm-idUSKBN0NW19120150511 http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/news/world/europe/article4436829.ece http://www.nytimes.com/2015/05/11/world/europe/macedonia-22-killed-as-police-and-militants-clash.html http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/E/EU_MACEDONIA_SHOOTINGS?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT http://ireport.cnn.com/docs/DOC-1235381 http://www.foxnews.com/world/2015/05/09/macedonia-3-police-officers-dead-20-injured-in-clashes-with-armed-group-in-city/ http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2015/05/nato-eu-call-calm-macedonia-150510182019133.html http://www.wsj.com/articles/macedonia-clashes-leave-eight-police-officers-14-gunmen-dead-1431267177 http://www.wsj.com/articles/eu-nato-u-n-call-for-calm-in-macedonia-1431365446 http://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/5-police-killed-clash-armed-group-macedonia-n356616 I should have known not to ask that type of question when you are around ....well played sir Okay so the truth must therefore must be that I just don't particularly care about this event that much which is why I haven't been researching it in more detail

I live in the suburbs and its not unusual to see raccoons, opossums, deer and wild dogs and cats (and rabid dogs and cats at that). A bit more uncommon (but not unheard of) to see coyotes and bears. And not too long ago, there were some alligators just on the other side of town. Holy Smoke dude, thats awesome.." bears " Where do you live again Amentep ?

And the ones who do pay her are largely satisfied with it, so where exactly is the problem? She does make certain cogent points, that cannot be denied

So what about a game like Hatred ? Where the developers say they created it because they are tired of everyone being politically correct but in fact the game is just about gratuitous violence and certain people will buy the game just because large sectors of society are appalled by it and criticize it? Are you guys fine with this type of game ? Sure, it's a boring premise, but basically it's what people do in GTA once they've exhausted missions and other content. If they want to bait hand wringers, then they are free to do so. Yeah I suppose you are right, I can't dispute your logic on this matter

I'm going to be honest and say I don't know, I watch 4 major international news channels and only CNN mentioned it briefly...which is weird because normally this type of story is on Al-Jazeera at least...it may be now so I will check

Here advanced course to spoken Finnish... * Links were meant to only for Meshugger who in my knowledge knows Finnish and lives in Finland, which is why he referenced largest Finnish Newspaper , when he said that he didn't find any news about the conflict. ** Also i made English summary of those news in my post before those links *** Sorry the of topic Finland needs to abolish finnish and change it back to the swedish like the one Snellman talked. Just like God intended. Finnish can be a curiosity like Gaelic. @ Meshugger Do you and Elerond both live in Helsinki?

Here advanced course to spoken Finnish... * Links were meant to only for Meshugger who in my knowledge knows Finnish and lives in Finland, which is why he referenced largest Finnish Newspaper , when he said that he didn't find any news about the conflict. ** Also i made English summary of those news in my post before those links *** Sorry the of topic You are a good guy Elerond, I like you

Yes I am not saying they shouldn't be allowed to create it, I am more interested in what people think about the caliber of this type of game. Why is there Horror-movies? Why is there Death Metal? It's a mystery i tell you. That's not a bad comparison...and it got me thinking But is a low budget and excessively gory horror movie the same as a game that people produce? They are similar but are they the same thing...I guess the main difference being the game is much more interactive and you get to determine the story as opposed to sitting and watching or listening to something...I'm just not sure if this is relevant ?