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Barti my darling I'm extremely disappointed that you think a good system of government is one where an outsider can undermine the national security of a government by posting confidential documents on the Internet? That is Assange's view of acceptable conduct. No government in the world would accept this, so I will give you time to reflect on this and then make another post ...you may want to rethink your opinion of Assange ? I stopped reading here. My original response was going to be "does it hurt to be so ignorant?", but then I realized that this is, in fact, perfectly consistent with what you've been saying all along, and it is also factually accurate. You had me going for a second there! I'll explain: by "Western ideology" you don't mean separation of powers, rule of law and popular sovereignty, because you have never explicitly alluded to this. No, by "Western ideology" you actually mean corporate plutocracy, consequentialism and authoritarian militarism. Viewed from this perspective, everything you have been saying is much more coherent and actually supported by facts. This is proof of what many have suspected all along: that you are a very successful troll, quite possibly someone else's alt, and at any rate, well acquainted with Poe's law. Bravo, good sir. Bravo. /golfclap I stopped reading here. My original response was going to be "does it hurt to be so ignorant?", but then I realized that this is, in fact, perfectly consistent with what you've been saying all along, and it is also factually accurate. You had me going for a second there! I'll explain: by "Western ideology" you don't mean separation of powers, rule of law and popular sovereignty, because you have never explicitly alluded to this. No, by "Western ideology" you actually mean corporate plutocracy, consequentialism and authoritarian militarism. Viewed from this perspective, everything you have been saying is much more coherent and actually supported by facts. This is proof of what many have suspected all along: that you are a very successful troll, quite possibly someone else's alt, and at any rate, well acquainted with Poe's law. Bravo, good sir. Bravo. /golfclap . As I keep telling Zora and others I am no Troll, everything I say I can substantiate and support with valid examples. I suppose I need to be clear on what I mean by "Western ideology " I support the West and this is not just the USA, this applies to the EU and Australia and other similar countries that are Democracies and similar corporate cultures. Now you may ask " but why do you support the West". Its simple really, the West gives there citizens the best quality of life and has the happiest citizens...this is an irrefutable fact and why anyone would dispute this boggles the mind. I live in a continent where most countries don't follow Western ideology and these countries have many citizens that overall live in poverty or have governments that don't follow good governance and this reflects on the state of there economies Yes I know Western ideology isn't perfect, you live in country that is currently undergoing austerity but you cannot blame the West for that. This is a fault of the actual Spanish government and there spending history and overall questionable economic polices. What would be your perfect system of government for Spain if you could decide? Should Spain leave the EU ? So Western ideology is about Democratic governments, free speech, free press and functional and accountable government institutions. And its also about corporate culture where the growth of the economy is driven by the private sector but the government can intervene to prevent certain industrial sectors from collapsing, like we saw in 2008/2009 in the USA and UK bailouts There is no such thing as a true Capitalist system of government, so I believe in a hybrid socialist\capitalist model like we see that is functioning in the USA at the moment

Yeah I'm also playing GTAV, I am loving it. There are loads of side quests, I have done things like hunting and Jet Ski racing And I picked up my first hooker as Trevor but I have been to strip clubs with the other guys

So what you need to realize is that people like Assange have an axe to grind with the USA, sometimes this type of animosity is justified but mostly its not. But the reality is the USA is the foundation of Western ideology. Its not perfect but it maintains a very important framework for the rest of the Western world. We need to question very carefully any person who has an issue with the USA in this type of context. Because most of the time this is not a good thing as this type of attack on the USA is really an attack on all of us who believe in Western ideology. We actually stand by the USA and fall by the USA, you just don't realize it. Imagine a world without the USA? For starters the EU would be at the mercy of Russian hegemony and Putin would be happily carving up parts of eastern Europe to rebuild his Russian empire and you can forget about the Chinese respecting any islands in the Pacific and they probably would have annexed Taiwan ages ago. Islamic fundamentalism would be much more rampant and destructive and the Middle East awash with civil wars. Africa would even more backward. So basically you would be forced to agree to anything that Russia or the Chinese wanted ...and I don't know about you but both those countries seem much worse overall than the USA Assange with help from Bradly Manning decided to selectively publish CONFIDENTIAL diplomatic cables about the USA, he was warned..he was cautioned. Who did he think he was to continue to be judge and jury of what the world needed to see about the USA, his hubris was astounding . He avoided the USA " playing nice " by DDOS attacks on his servers thinking he could hide in the Internet and continue to attack the national security of the USA but then he messed up and needed to face a legal challenge in Sweden...does Assange go to Sweden to face these charges? No of course not, the great moral compass of Assange doesn't apply to himself .. " he is Julian Assange...he is someone who is above the law" So you would assume he would then follow the legal process and fight extradition in the UK ...but once again " No..he is Julian Assange, he will never get a fair hearing !!!" So he skips bail and uses the annoying anti-Western views of Ecuador to get shelter...thinking he has cleverly avoided arrest. But this backfired horribly for him and now he cant leave...imagine being stuck in a building for years ...yes this punishment suits me as he is too much of a coward to face the minor charges of skipping bail or proving his innocence in Sweden. And please don't suggest that Sweden is unable to prosecute him legally and correctly...he just is in complete contempt for any legal system So this is the man you admire?

In case you haven't noticed, reddit and the media are triumphly declaring that it is not censorship. It is about creating sound environments for constructive discussion. We do not need a history book to know what kind of spiral they have started now. Yes it is about creating a sound environment for discussion, those are exactly the words I would have used ...you know whats weird? I have been saying this for months that you should ban certain discussions as they do nothing but promote hate and a negative vibe for those targeted. You guys thought I was being like some kind of extremist..guess my suggestion wasn't that bad And the saddest thing about this situation is I know most of you will see this as confirmation that these websites are deeply flawed instead of seeing the positive Like clockwork. It's never censorship when the good guys do it. Making an environment more inclusive and less antagonistic should not be seen as censorship I wish you realized this

You were thinking for yourself. Surely you know this is not good? You're right, thank you. We live better than ever before, our governments are representing our best interests, the media are focusing on issues that truly matters; movies, music and art are currently depicting a healthy society living in a golden age with no agenda at all. School curriculums are ensuring that more critical thinking and mentally sound people are entering society upon adulthood, and the very food you eat is actually good for you. Sorry, i am good global citizen now. Time to sleep..... You were thinking for yourself. Surely you know this is not good? I know you guys don't believe it but when I talk about the inimical influence that Assange has I only say it because I hate to see you guys being manipulated by his false narrative Its like you guys have really low standards and you accept the words of Assange blindly because he seems to support your views of Western influence. Its fine to support people but at least try to see he is a bad choice and you guys are too clever to buy his hyperbole

In case you haven't noticed, reddit and the media are triumphly declaring that it is not censorship. It is about creating sound environments for constructive discussion. We do not need a history book to know what kind of spiral they have started now. Yes it is about creating a sound environment for discussion, those are exactly the words I would have used ...you know whats weird? I have been saying this for months that you should ban certain discussions as they do nothing but promote hate and a negative vibe for those targeted. You guys thought I was being like some kind of extremist..guess my suggestion wasn't that bad And the saddest thing about this situation is I know most of you will see this as confirmation that these websites are deeply flawed instead of seeing the positive

Apparently members of the LGBT community will be implementing this, you were right ...they after you Meshugger don't believe a word Assange says. He uses hyperbole as he has a personal agenda against the West...but he received justice. It can't be nice staying in an embassy ...that's what happens when you skip bail and try to avoid a country like the UK legal systenm

Geez Namutree depriving your mom of her cheese cake ......that's cold man, you Americans are cold

Dude well played, I collect and use hot sauces. I have about 15 different ones across my fridge and pantry I would have bought this as well

Thats fine ...you are already an unapologetic shining example of Western culture .....and you can't deny it.. We both know you like Hamburgers

Yeah, Reddit is now enforcing moderation....its another example of Politically Correct (PC) interference Oh there is another enemy outside SJW....PC influence

Still, its about the principle. I'll send you a PM

believe it or not, our beverage o' choice is lemon-lime kool-aid, though am also a fan o' the less common available watermelon flavor. went through a short-lived peach-mango phase 'bout a year ago. typical we buy +20 packets o' the stuff at a time along with the generic brands o' splenda. have been habitual drinking the stuff since the mid-nineties. HA! Good Fun! That does surprise me Gromnir, someone of your intelligence and insight being fool into drinking a Western produced unhealthy drink that is just designed to weaken the aspirations and objectives of minority groups like Native Americans into thinking that Western culture is cool and needs to be emulated....resist Gromnir..refuse the Kool-Aid

Shady !!! You are a regular gastronomic adventurer ...rule 12 of the Gastronomic Rule book clearly states " you forbidden to drink Kool-Aid " .. ] What is the theme for your sons birthday...I imagine he is going to have a great time because you guys are good parents

1. Yes i believe you have no idea what you are talking about. 2. You are part of the BRICS in South Africa, so it is in YOUR interest, or should be, that russia stays strong. Because THEY will be your basis of wealth, not america or europe who are happy to plunder everything you still have left. 3. We have seen the western strategy, its coups, warfare and nothing more...the moment a new player comes up like russia or china, they fear for their wealth, well it´s a wealth on debt anyway, which they hold..oh the irony. 4. Russia is in no way isolated. Washington tried, failed and can now watch as Russia turns to rest of the world, who are very happy to deal with them, sadly as an european that also effects us. and quit frankly, i would like the EU to go to hell so we can repair our relations with russia again, because everyone benefits from it here..except america.. 5. there is nothing agressive nor militant about russia, so far they have only reactet and never acted except crimea which goes hand in hand on what the people wanted there and thanks to referendum visited by over 70 international observes was legal and conform with the UN charta, no matter what Whasington or their vassals says. (who never gave a crap about internatiol law anyway and stole land) Blah In response, I like you cirdanx. You are always so anti-Western...but its like you learnt it in some " Putin Propaganda Academy " ...its really easy to dispute. But I do appreciate the fact you are prepared to spend time debating these points so nice one 1. That's subjective of course 2. BRICS is flawed and has serious imbalances. It has benefited South Africa very little except for making our current Government sycophants of China and creating a mistaken view of how to grow the economy 3. No Western culture is about a global, prosperous and secure world where the principles of Democracy and reasonable free markets are upheld. And this is a good objective as Western countries offer there citizens the best quality of life and have the happiest citizens 4.No one wants to isolate Russia, they are an important player in the global world..but Putin cannot believe he can get away with just annexing parts of countries. He went too far. Why do you dislike the EU, you not very patriotic? I thought the Germans looked down on the Russian...remember Hitler 5. Utterly wrong...really misinformed view. They illegally annexed Crimea and are actively involved militarily in Eastern Ukraine

You seem to have missed the part where I said that i'm not for policing anyone i'm just against them changing terms so their condition is less of a stigma. Which it should be since it is unhealthy and while i'm not against fat people in general I would like to reserve the right to have an opinion on both their person and their condition without being persecuted because of being politically incorrect. Same desire also extends to a lot of other PC topics. Ah now we have a disagreement ...when you say "reserve the right to have an opinion on both their person and their condition without being persecuted because of being politically incorrect " does that mean you want to host a "I hate fat people website " ?

I just wonder why everyone thinks their feelings ****ing matter so much that there should legislation to protect them. No I'm not saying there should laws to protect overweight people from verbal abuse ....I'm saying civil society should just reject that "I don't like fat people forum " In a civil society people would feel ashamed to be a burden on others and recognize that addiction is bad for yourself and those around you. You want deal with idyllic examples then I can too imagine a society where people are responsible for themselves and don't become a 400 pound parasite. I hear you and sometimes due to frustration I just want to take that same view and basically condemn for example overweight people for " not taking proper responsibility for there lives. If other people can do it then why can't they " But I see this as a myopic view of the problem and to be honest lacking in human empathy because you don't know all the reasons for obesity ...sometimes its medical. And also if we target overweight people then where do we stop? Lets move onto drug addicts and depressed people next and " stop being a drag on society and fix your issues" These types of issues are much more nuanced and complex than just dismissing them Frustration is the name of the game and why you shouldn't try to change other people, they will resist because they see their "self" as themselves and fear change. So don't try because you will get frustrated and come to the natural conclusion that its easier to use force. If I ever see an asthma patient that flat out refuses to use their inhaler while having an attack and resist every attempt to help them I would regard them as insane if they ever complained about the asthma they refuse to treat. People that are predisposed to becoming overweight are not excused, that just means that they have a condition they're aren't managing or refusing to. I don't want to police anyone but if drug addicts try to say that heroin is an alternative lifestyle choice and that it should be legal then **** them and everyone that supports them. Same for other addictions including food addiction. Its one thing to tolerate failure but changing meaning so that losers feel like winners even when there are clear health risks affects people negatively. Imagine living in a society where people who consistently fail to improve there lives are removed from society and incarcerated until they change....gone...no more strain on the system right? But I'm sure you can imagine the obvious issues...my main objection being its just inhuman and against basic human rights And you right about the asthma example But I think the main reason I have to disagree with you is because of where I live ...if I judged or dismissed people on them being flawed i would be constantly judging large parts of my country....and I'm not prepared to do that because I believe in my country despite our challengers

I just wonder why everyone thinks their feelings ****ing matter so much that there should legislation to protect them. No I'm not saying there should laws to protect overweight people from verbal abuse ....I'm saying civil society should just reject that "I don't like fat people forum " In a civil society people would feel ashamed to be a burden on others and recognize that addiction is bad for yourself and those around you. You want deal with idyllic examples then I can too imagine a society where people are responsible for themselves and don't become a 400 pound parasite. I hear you and sometimes due to frustration I just want to take that same view and basically condemn for example overweight people for " not taking proper responsibility for there lives. If other people can do it then why can't they " But I see this as a myopic view of the problem and to be honest lacking in human empathy because you don't know all the reasons for obesity ...sometimes its medical. And also if we target overweight people then where do we stop? Lets move onto drug addicts and depressed people next and " stop being a drag on society and fix your issues" These types of issues are much more nuanced and complex than just dismissing them

I want to understand your point as it seems really interesting Are you saying why should the media try to portray people in a positive way as from your experience white people are on receiving end of criticism....do you prefer realism ? Um, no. That isn't even close to what I'm trying to say. I'm trying to say that white dudes are represented a lot in media and I'm not seeing the benefit - they say white dudes who consume media and technology are whiny manchildren, right? Well, how did they get that way? Why would you want the stuff that turns people into whiny manchildren to target you as an audience? And just to be clear who is saying " white people are whiny manchildren " and how relevant is that view to the reality of modern society?

Yes there is a valid strategy that some Western groups and countries are trying and that I think is worth pursing is that to get Putin to change his militant and jingoistic views is to keep including Russia in world events so they don't feel isolated. We don't want Russia to develop an even further " lager mentality " and think that the West is out to get them

Wow your NZ fact sheet was intimidating....." local farmer sells two sheep and demands they are allowed to sleep in the house " " Prominent diary farmer adds 20 % to fat content of cheese and deeply offends the NZ opposed to fat in cheese society" " NZ government funds scientists to investigate possibility of granting the Kiwi bird full NZ citizenship " ....this was after a local Christchurch women, Miss Mckay announced to the local radio station " I prefer my Kiwi bird to human interaction...the birds always seem to understand me " How do you survive? I would die of boredom...maybe one day I would long for such a simple life but not now

Does it give you pause when you can't figure out if someone who goes by "Genderqueer Muslim atheist. Born white in the #wrongskin" is for real or not? These are confusing times, I do understand. I never know with you guys ...so I would rather just ask

Is this a joke ? A parody...?

Sure, then rather say " I won't give more to this KS" But that's not the same thing as saying " I can't give more " ( yes its semantics I know ) I can't give more. My parents help with groceries and my credit cards are maxed. I have no money to give. I haven't pledged to a kickstarter since numenera. There is dlc I have on my wishlist on steam that went on sale for 60 cents and I held off hoping it would be cheaper during the summer sale. Okay....now I feel really bad, you have found my Achilles heel. Guilt...I want to apologize for making assumptions...I want to make it up to you somehow. Can I pledge for you, $25?