BruceVC

Short version for stoned people: don't escalate a fight by conventional means against an enemy such as this. You can't fight evil with stupidity. 15 year on and all of the US' meddling in the ME has only served to destabilize the entire place and make it a playground for extremists such as ISIS. The US wanted to fight Al Qaeda but neither nation-building in Afghanistan (which is now failing utterly, as shown in the amount of Afghans migrating to Europe) nor the completely useless invasion of Iraq had anything to do with this, and both of these actions have served to increase the support for extremist Islamism, not the other way around. The enemy of your enemy is not necessarily your friend. The enemy of your friend is not necessarily your enemy, and so on.rR Ros you are a smart guy with a good perspective so I generally always read what you say...but I think you being a little harsh here I see things very differently and with a different lens... You can't blame the USA for the Arab Spring and much of the general bedlam in the ME is a result of the consequences of that The Gulf \Sunni states seem fine and so is Iran which is at least some stability Yes Iraq was a mistake But except for ISIS I don't think its that bad ?

Its egregious and full of hyperbole ....no I don't take it seriously But I dont get why you bringing the USA into this...are you comparing the USA to ISIS ( sorry if I have mistaken you ...Im stoned )

Dark do you think I'm passive-aggressive? I don't feel that way and we debate all the time but Drowsy says I am?

BruceVC has nothing to do with my statement. The World itself has not done enough to accommodate Islam and hence they are left with no choice other than to attack civilians at random. Duh. When you sound like the abused in search of justifications, maybe it's time for some introspection, eh? Now thats passive-aggressive Sorry if I sounded confused ..lots on my mind

Outside of the USA I would say we make plenty of allowances for Islam Obviously that's not the case. Do you mean for me or in the USA ?

Well considering the fact I wasn't being passive-aggressive I would say I'm doing well But as usual you jump to strange conclusions, I travel and work throughout Africa and ME so I would say I interact with loads of Muslims

Outside of the USA I would say we make plenty of allowances for Islam

I'm sorry for what happened, our thoughts are with you

Meshugger you guys really shouldn't read this type of garbage...its just going to make you more annoyed Stop projecting, i am having a laugh here. Okay, well I'm glad you can laugh at the moment. I have no sense of humour

Interesting. And how exactly the west is planning to remove him? Assassination? Nah, making life so hard for regular russians, due to various embargos, that they would remove him from power themselves. Well, as a russian, i can only thank the west for that. They're doing something useful for a change. Can't wait when he's finally gone. Ah you're one of those types. That explains everything. Drowsy you do realize that Sakai lives in Moscow? And yet it never seemed to occur to you he might know a little about his own country?

Meshugger you guys really shouldn't read this type of garbage...its just going to make you more annoyed

Okay dude I apologize, you are more than aware of this type of event I am sorry because I feel I know nothing about Slovakia yet I should. Do other EU members on this forum know about Slovakia? Slovakia is one of the less known EU countries in the world. If you or anyone else would like to know more about it, please search up about our cultural heritage and nature. You asked about the worst things in Slovakia and I have answered to you with honesty, but this country does not deserve to be mentioned only in that way. Yes I'll do that, I didn't think it was all bad I judge very few countries as I live in Africa .....and my friend my continent has some examples of badly run countries that would make Slovakia seem like Switzerland compared to Mongolia. So no I don't judge

Okay dude I apologize, you are more than aware of this type of event I am sorry because I feel I know nothing about Slovakia yet I should. Do other EU members on this forum know about Slovakia?

Elerond do you really think applying some obscure EU law is necessary But something just occurred to me...I seem to debating with you guys who live in the EU about this, I thought this was what you wanted but if not then just leave it

I suppose ,,,,has Slovakia ever been the target of extremists?

There are very few things worse than the type of insomnia you are experiencing....and because you feel you should be sleeping you then try and because you cant you stress even more Okay my friend firstly this is not an unusual event to occur to people who have been under stress of some sort and the insomnia is often delayed which makes some almost not realize what is causing it But before you go to the doctor and receive seriously strong sleeping pills which of course you can take I would recommend something else You are not someone who normally takes medication to sleep so what I would try first is some decent cannabis, you must get some quality stuff that is grown indoors. Its called hydroponic in South Africa. All you do is put it in an empty cigarette and say 30-60 minutes before you want to sleep you take 2-3 hits, thats it. Because Weed is a plant it wont knock you out like a sleeping pill but you become drowsy and you will sleep I have been smoking weed on and off for about 15 years and its fine if you dont abuse it, of course there are some people who weed makes them feel paranoid and if that is how you feel on it then its not for you But if you get hydroponic weed I doubt you will feel paranoid

Yes, if these Mosques are allowing Hate Speech then you need to close them down...harsh but fair But yet you guys complaining my country police raid a church.... Do they openly manifest hatred towards citizens of your country and talk about infidels that need to be killed and your laws forcefully changed? They create disharmony, their new version of Malaysian Bible causing too much already, despite it being banned, they insist on publish it. The raid is to confisticate those books, it's illegal books. As an American I find the combination of the words "Illegal" and "books" to be altogether alien concept. But hey, that's just how we are. Now as far as what Darkpriest pointed out that France was considering closing Mosques. Bad idea. I'm all fine and good with arresting the Imams and religious leaders who violate French law by promoting sedition (this is illegal in France) but closing the Mosque becomes an attack on the institution itself. Do not become the monsters ISIS propaganda already say's you are. They want to refight the crusades with themselves cast in the role of the "morally superior aggrieved party" and the west as the "evil crusaders". The titles are meaningless in a practical sense but as others have pointed out it becomes an automatic and effective recruiting tool. I'm not sure about this, we are talking about closing down Mosques who practice hate speech....this would be made official and clearly seen as a punishment. You do realize that of course other extremists or just other Sunni Muslims who share ideological empathy with ISIS would have prayed and been aware of this attack so they are probably celebrating now at the success of the attack ...why shoulld Mosques like this be allowed to stay open? Qistina what do you think? An eye for a eye, ISIS understands this type of dialogue

Guys for all of you who live in Europe before you agree to being fine with France closing down Mosques please understand what this will mean for all of you going forward. I'm not trying to an alarmist I just want you to understand what may possibly happen as a consequence Certain extremists will now look at the whole EU as a legitimate target, this is manageable but people like Meshugger are you prepared to accept Finland may get attacked? If you Europeans are fine with this then stay the course, I would accept this if I was living in Europe

Yes, if these Mosques are allowing Hate Speech then you need to close them down...harsh but fair But yet you guys complaining my country police raid a church.... Do they openly manifest hatred towards citizens of your country and talk about infidels that need to be killed and your laws forcefully changed? They create disharmony, their new version of Malaysian Bible causing too much already, despite it being banned, they insist on publish it. The raid is to confisticate those books, it's illegal books. I was going to respond about the number of ISIS fighters from the west and how a huuuge majority of them are second or third generation arabs living in self-segregated ghettos (http://www.rferl.org/contentinfographics/foreign-fighters-syria-iraq-is-isis-isil-infographic/26584940.html) but then you posted a jem like that. Don't ever leave, you're the gift that keeps on giving. But this link tells us what we already knew, groups like ISIS always have support from foreigner fighters. This is typical of who supports them What are you guys saying this link tells us ? .

Yes, if these Mosques are allowing Hate Speech then you need to close them down...harsh but fair wards citizens of your country and talk about infidels that need to be killed and your laws forcefully changed? They create disharmony, their new version of Malaysian Bible causing too much already, despite it being banned, they insist on publish it. The raid is to confisticate those books, it's illegal books. By that reasoning we should expel all muslims from EU, because they create disharmony with the cultural background of the EU continent... I mean, how can you even compare Hate Speech leading to violence and mass murders vs. publishing a book? What is in it that creates disharmony? I mean I'd like to try to understand it... I just can't see it being anywhere on the same level of threat to civil population (knowing the christian rhetoric and how their leaders present themselves). Yes, if these Mosques are allowing Hate Speech then you need to close them down...harsh but fair But yet you guys complaining my country police raid a church.... Do they openly manifest hatred towards citizens of your country and talk about infidels that need to be killed and your laws forcefully changed? They create disharmony, their new version of Malaysian Bible causing too much already, despite it being banned, they insist on publish it. The raid is to confisticate those books, it's illegal books. Yes it may seem we are being critical of only Muslims who spread hate speech but I agree if the law in Malaysia says the Malaysian Bible needs to be banned then yes a raid would be justified Malaysia is a Muslim country and like the Middle East if the government thinks a bible is creating disharmony then ban it I'm not religious so I would leave this decision up to the actual governments. Guys we should understand this because if France does decide to close down certain Mosques there will be major resistance from certain Muslims in France and we should be consistent in our view that governments have a right to close down religious buildings but we cant complain if Malaysia decided to ban a bible as they should also have this right

Yes, if these Mosques are allowing Hate Speech then you need to close them down...harsh but fair

Shady do you mind sharing why you personally don't like Hilary, I am interested in all Americans opinions because I am trying to see if I am missing something about her that Americans would be aware of but not a foreigner like me I think Elerond gave a better response than I ever could I would also never support someone just because of race or gender either and did not vote for Obama in 2008 (even though I did in 2012) Also Okay that chart is ....concerning How accurate is it and what questions was she asked ? It's an aggregate of several polls. One on its own may be inconsequential. But taken together, they're useful enough. Nate Silver/Fivethirtyeight has graded the various individual pollsters: http://fivethirtyeight.com/interactives/pollster-ratings/ Okay this is a much better picture ....thx

Hahaha. You're alright Bruce. Your views are terrible but you can handle the banter. Okay but then I have no idea what type of SJ you believe in? I assumed you had similar views to me, not about Capitalism but the importance of a fair and equitable society and that would mean realistically you need to uplift people to the middle class at least So what US president do you support The difference is that liberals think welfare is the way up, but don't realize that like children people have to be pushed or else they will still be 30 without a job in their parents house playing video games. Okay good point, to be clear I don't believe in state welfare...no this is not what I would consider is sustainable or is about job creation. I doubt any Liberal in the USA would actually say this as welfare just holds people back as it gets abused? US democrats use welfare to keep blacks as their spoiled children so they keep voting Democrat and cant be bothered by anyone abusing the system. I know this for a fact because I work weekends on a supermarket and I've seen welfare cards that have 1000+ dollars in their account, meanwhile I work with people whose whole family work 2 jobs almost every day and were denied welfare. Seriously; **** welfare, It doesn't work. It is not helping the hardworking to get ahead and it is only making sure that their dollars go to help some shameless people that have no scruples cheating the system. You want to help poor people, then control government spending and get rid of sales taxes as well as some other ridiculous taxes. Orog what you suggesting is a serious indictment of how to abuse the welfare system and worse than that this type of corruption actually wouldn't benefit African Americans. It goes against everything the Democrats believe and I can't imagine is wide spread?

Shady do you mind sharing why you personally don't like Hilary, I am interested in all Americans opinions because I am trying to see if I am missing something about her that Americans would be aware of but not a foreigner like me I think Elerond gave a better response than I ever could I would also never support someone just because of race or gender either and did not vote for Obama in 2008 (even though I did in 2012) Also Okay that chart is ....concerning How accurate is it and what questions was she asked ?

Hahaha. You're alright Bruce. Your views are terrible but you can handle the banter. Okay but then I have no idea what type of SJ you believe in? I assumed you had similar views to me, not about Capitalism but the importance of a fair and equitable society and that would mean realistically you need to uplift people to the middle class at least So what US president do you support The difference is that liberals think welfare is the way up, but don't realize that like children people have to be pushed or else they will still be 30 without a job in their parents house playing video games. Okay good point, to be clear I don't believe in state welfare...no this is not what I would consider is sustainable or is about job creation. I doubt any Liberal in the USA would actually say this as welfare just holds people back as it gets abused?