BruceVC

Of course. Its the typical BVC non-answer but I lost interest in discussing it with him so I just let it drop. Oh my....look at you. You play the standard " BCV never answers " , you are condescending and then rude When I first read this I was annoyed by your rudeness and I was going to respond accordingly...but I went to the shop and my irritation has gone Its my fault because clearly you think I'm stupid and in the past I have gone along with your sarcastic comments and acted like I wasn't aware. So lets set the record straight, I'm not stupid so please don't assume this again and insult me because I will respond next time and there is no need for a debate like this to get personal I explained to you the facts about why its unlikely Turkey would be funding ISIS. You ignored this and insisted I should consider the photo evidence. The photo evidence if it was real do you not think your country who is actively involved in this conflict would have considered.....do you not think that the USA who has been involved in the ME and has effective and reliable information from sources like Israel and Saudi Arabia would be aware if Turkey was the reason ISIS was able to sustain itself ? So once again you make the assumption that everyone is stupid ....except for the Russians But I didn't feel like pointing the obvious out to you and trying to " win" the argument so I thought we could wait a few days when this story will be confirmed....which is why I said lets wait and see But even this wasn't good enough for you and you chose to insult me ....oh well Once this story is debunked I suppose an apology from you will be too much to ask?

We like Russia Drowsy....but they need to act in a more reasonable way ..like not annexing Crimea Are you suggesting that Hitler attacked to Soviet Union because he foresee that in future when Soviet Union has broken down Russia will try to annex Crimea from Ukraine even though it was not at point of time even part of Ukraine, as it was transfered from Russia (Russian Soviet Federative Socialist Republic) to Ukraine (Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republic) after the war? Are you making a joke ...you never make jokes

We like Russia Drowsy....but they need to act in a more reasonable way ..like not annexing Crimea

So, iyo, those pictures just show and unfortunate traffic jam / parking lot for tanker trucks? Those photos dont prove anything ...but lets see how it unfolds

No dude of course this makes sense ...its worth the money

Okay maybe you can post some links to support this?

Qistina I want to ask you something important I am really enjoying our chats but there are some people who are still not sure you a real person and I have my doubts still as you seem to repeat questions almost knowing for some strange reason people will react Do you use Skype ? I would like to quickly Skype you with the video option to confirm you who say you are...we can use the PM function to exchange Skype addresses I'm sorry to ask you this but the reality is there are people who troll me and I waste time debating points If you dont use Skype let me know what chat client you use but it must allow video Sorry Qistina but can you respond to this? This thread is sure going places. I know you may think this is weird but I want to be sure

It is a valid question for someone who is not aware of the history of this conflict, I can understand why someone may think " why wouldn't Turkey buy this illegal oil " ...the reality is its not like the countries in the ME seem to care about each other But Turkey has been trying to join the EU for years, its not a Arab country and it has no interest in trying to occupy Iraq or Syria And it has 2 million Syrian refugees living within its borders and the EU has just paid it 3 Billion Euros to stop sending more refugees to Europe These Syrian refugees are a huge resource strain on any country ...why would Turkey want to sustain this nightmare conflict

Qistina I want to ask you something important I am really enjoying our chats but there are some people who are still not sure you a real person and I have my doubts still as you seem to repeat questions almost knowing for some strange reason people will react Do you use Skype ? I would like to quickly Skype you with the video option to confirm you who say you are...we can use the PM function to exchange Skype addresses I'm sorry to ask you this but the reality is there are people who troll me and I waste time debating points If you dont use Skype let me know what chat client you use but it must allow video Sorry Qistina but can you respond to this?

"Pay back" is phrase used when you're insinuating retribution with violence, which is very seldom used here on the continent since we have history of guys impaling 40 000 people just to prove a point. Your colorful language is greatly frown upon. I suggest trying to reach out by appealing to our common humanity instead. Well, someone have to pay....usually the ones who pay are the descendants who run away from paying. The debt must be paid. What have been taken must be returned..... No chance of that, what country actually enforces that type of rule And you must remember I live in country where there are some black South Africans who really expect some sort of financial payment from white people ...so its a real question I don't mean literally... No I do....people want cash payments for Apartheid

"Pay back" is phrase used when you're insinuating retribution with violence, which is very seldom used here on the continent since we have history of guys impaling 40 000 people just to prove a point. Your colorful language is greatly frown upon. I suggest trying to reach out by appealing to our common humanity instead. Well, someone have to pay....usually the ones who pay are the descendants who run away from paying. The debt must be paid. What have been taken must be returned..... No chance of that, what country actually enforces that type of rule And you must remember I live in country where there are some black South Africans who really expect some sort of financial payment from white people ...so its a real question

Qistina I want to ask you something important I am really enjoying our chats but there are some people who are still not sure you a real person and I have my doubts still as you seem to repeat questions almost knowing for some strange reason people will react Do you use Skype ? I would like to quickly Skype you with the video option to confirm you who say you are...we can use the PM function to exchange Skype addresses I'm sorry to ask you this but the reality is there are people who troll me and I waste time debating points If you dont use Skype let me know what chat client you use but it must allow video

I'm guessing you didn't click through the pictures? Sorry I'm also listerning to music so my screen is stretched but I did see them now. It still doesn't convince me I must apologize as I am not use to you engaging in these debates and I realize you are being serious, sorry if I seemed dismissive Let me ask you an important question, why do you think Erdogan would buy this oil and allow ISIS to grow and survive

Gorth I would like to point something interesting out to you but before I make my point where have you lived in your life? Denmark, New Zealand, Australia, Germany and England? (that's 'living', not just spending an amount of time there) Okay I wont go the normal "BruceVC knows what you really thinking " approach and try this a different way Firstly I would bet you have lived in more countries than anyone else on these forums Then how did you feel about the various countries you lived in? I imagine you have fond memories of all of them...except Germany ..I still am surprised you went to Germany, do you speak German?

I admit its fascinating Anyone who believes that is irrational

How would you explain all the trucks on the borders, that the Turkish government is oblivious to if we are to believe you? I eagerly look forward to your random reply blaming "whitey". Sorry my bad. Turkey has a huge and easy to cross border if you know who to bribe , its a massive country. Obviously anyone in Turkey who would be prepared to buy the oil has means to process it and getting access to trucks is common in the ME ...so trust me you may think a convoy of trucks is unusual but its not in the ME

In Malaysia? mistake

Gorth I would like to point something interesting out to you but before I make my point where have you lived in your life?

Okay what didn't I answer, I explained the photos arent enough....they just photos?

No...they even mention later on in the article that there is no definitive link between the oil and Erdogan the officials did not specify what direct evidence they had of the involvement of Erdogan and his family, an allegation that the Turkish president has vehemently denied You see anyone who is anti-Western like Drowsy and Zora would want this to be true, this would have serious ramifications for Tiurkey. They would be suspended from NATO and the West would completely cut them out from the campaign against ISIS Whoever has been buying the oil from ISIS is responsible for sustaining them...meaning also responsible for all the carnage and mayhem. Its a very serious accusation....but I don't believe Erdogan would be so stupid, sure people within his country maybe ...but not him? Man I am pro-west and I want to get Turkey out of NATO and EU. I can hardly believe that there are thousands of trucks stuffed with oil on Turkey border and they dont know about them? seriously, you cant believe that No my friend you see you want Turkey to join the EU, its best for everyone if the EU integrates a Muslim country. Dont take this the wrong way but one thing this thread has taught me is many of guys have no experience with meeting normal moderate Muslims Also you don't want the EU to be seen as a " white man only club" . Letting Turkey in will make no difference, white people will still be in charge and make the decisions ...so don't see this as an attack on your culture

No...they even mention later on in the article that there is no definitive link between the oil and Erdogan the officials did not specify what direct evidence they had of the involvement of Erdogan and his family, an allegation that the Turkish president has vehemently denied You see anyone who is anti-Western like Drowsy and Zora would want this to be true, this would have serious ramifications for Tiurkey. They would be suspended from NATO and the West would completely cut them out from the campaign against ISIS Whoever has been buying the oil from ISIS is responsible for sustaining them...meaning also responsible for all the carnage and mayhem. Its a very serious accusation....but I don't believe Erdogan would be so stupid, sure people within his country maybe ...but not him?

And just to be clear which Muslim countries have apologized to what Western countries ....seriously I know none ?

Gfted1 dont believe the Turkish government was involved unless there is proof...but Russia is being really vindictive ..they even played the old " Turkish president's son heads one of the biggest energy companies, or that his son has been appointed energy minister. What a marvellous family business! "

Yeah nations are created and divided. We were part of HRE, then Austria-Hungaria, then SSSR - choose what you like. Well I can do it for you: Ohh those evil Islamists. We were part of our beutifull HRE and then Ottomans come and break it and now I am no longer HRE, bee, I want to be citizen on HRE again, evil Ottomans bee Well, i am not Ottoman, but i know you are agressive because i am Muslim, and you say Muslims are Ottoman, isn't it? I say "the west" because it is really the WEST who messed up with us in the past...specifically Portuguese, Dutch, Spanish and English... I dont think I am more aggresive than you are and I am not using Islamists because you are muslim, I am using it in same way you are using 'west' term. I suppose you are not using 'west' term because I am atheis/christian? My advice is you guys should avoid debating...you will misunderstand each other

Chillloutman what she is saying is complicated but also true ....but its hard to understand if you didn't live in country that practiced Colonialism like me I know what she means I live in country that was 40 years under communist regime of different state, we get out in 1990 from it, I think I know what I am talking about No its not the same I'll try to explain because I can see how you may think it is Colonialism stripped people of any identity or feeling of purpose. It was also implemented initially against nations that were living very simple but happy lives Communism was forced on you and it was terrible but it was suppose to be about equality ... it was not a reality where you were treated as not even human