BruceVC

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/school-board-recall-election-san-francisco-three-members/

Yes but you an ex-Marine, the rest of us are terrified

Are you asking for other links apart from that one and how it was raised on CNN?

Okay but I saw it on CNN and it was discussed on Reality Check by John Avlon and he doesnt repeat any right wing hyperbole but normally criticizes it so its credible https://edition.cnn.com/specials/us/john-avlon-reality-check

Which is one of the reasons I am not going to use that word anymore so thanks for pointing it out But you didnt disagree or comment on the article, you just criticized the word Marxist and the word triggered Whats your view on the article ?

Hoonding thats a terrible thing to say, NATO saved us from the dystopian reality of living in a Communist world You wouldnt have all your nice toys if it wasnt for NATO

Yes you did trigger me because I triggered you because I was triggered by....and so it goes on I tell you what, I am not going to use the word triggered anymore on this forum because I want to avoid these types of responses which end up missing the point of the story which is more important than who triggered who more Happy ?

Just because you mentioned it, its revealing how you wont comment on the story and reality of what happened but only concerned by my choice of the word triggered And it reinforces the observation how some of us comment on the poster and not the post ...thanks for confirming what has already been pointed out

Nah, Marxist school board members is more appropriate. But you can find the same story on numerous websites But you missing the point and getting " triggered " by the words.

https://thekingofstocks.com/2022/02/16/san-francisco-residents-overwhelmingly-vote-to-recall-three-far-left-school-board-members/ I saw this on CNN so its not Fox news hyperbole but liberal San Francisco has recalled 3 school board members for focusing too much on progressive left ideology like wanting to change the names of 44 school names in the district. To quote that article San Francisco voters overwhelmingly approved a vote to recall three far-left school board members for putting toxic politics ahead of reopening schools. “The voters of this city have delivered a clear message that the school board must focus on the essentials of delivering a well-run school system above all else,” Mayor London Breed said in a statement after the vote. “San Francisco is a city that believes in the value of big ideas, but those ideas must be built on the foundation of a government that does the essentials well.” The recall effort started in January 2021 after the Marxist school board members were busy working to rename 44 schools that honored historical figures like Thomas Jefferson, Abraham Lincoln and George Washington rather than focusing on reopening schools. This is an important development and hopefully sends an important message about priorities and what matters and its not about CRT so need for anyone to get triggered @Hurlshot Not sure what you think about this but its in your state?

Well yes but you dont use the public healthcare unless you dont have medical aid. I cant stress that point enough The private sector healthcare is well managed and works but their are a long list of horror stories about bad service in PS healthcare but its free and available to everyone for certain services, not all

Just to add to this, in Libya NATO helped prevent a massacre civilians in the town of Misrata with their intervention. Without NATO Gaddafi would have happily killed about 50k civilians who were trapped in the town https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Misrata_(2011)

Sure, but I was referring to the criticism that the West has been involved in bombing campaigns and thats why we cant trust NATO. We also cant trust Russia to not be involved in bombing campaigns and Chechnya is just one example

No thats not how 30 million South Africans live but nice try. Its insensitive to live in a first world country and think that is how all people who live in poverty live. But I suppose NZ does have its own issues like KFC smuggling cartels so I shouldnt be dismissive You right, the 46 % isnt homeless. Its complicated and their are different levels of state support and social programs that assist this 46% to survive. I support most of these social programs in SA because some of the poverty is directly linked to Apartheid legacy and if it wasnt for these programs their would be many South Africans living in worse poverty like you see in many other African countries Also what Zora is talking about is not how most of the 46% live, he is referring to what we call squatter camps and they examples of the worst kind of squalor outside of homelessness Many of the 46% are recipients of free housing called RDP (reconstruction and development ) houses by government. These houses are small 2-3 bedroom places that arent great but better than corrugated iron shacks. Then we provide reduced rates for electricity and other services around what we call " indigent services". Also government provides free public sector healthcare and free public sector schooling in most cases. Unfortunately some of these public sector intuitions are not well run or administered so sometimes you find kids getting to grade 12 with a subpar education and they unemployable. Also in the townships you can buy food and goods generally cheaper compared to what we would pay for food and goods from the malls and supermarkets Then we have a real and growing black middle class and they actively participate in what we call colloquially " black tax "and this is where most black people from the middle class and up help their family members financially. This an example of the kindness and humanity you see in SA https://www.justmoney.co.za/news/2018/03/01/understanding-black-tax/ So that is how the 46% survive in most cases, I hope this answers your question because it is a good question and one that matters?

Yes inflation is the potential risk as I mentioned and its a real concern as we can see with the factors that have contributed towards the current global inflation which is more about the lockdowns and the world coming out of the lockdowns but concern with UBI is similar I think the concern with the 1%/10% is well meaning but misplaced as targeting them is not going to fundamentally change the reality on the ground for most people

I watched it and its objective and informative. But it also raises the inconsistencies with Putins views of NATO and how Russia has done everything that he claims is wrong with NATO For example the video mentions something similar to " NATO getting involved in bombing of foreign countries outside its borders " as a reason not to trust NATO Since Putin came to power Russia has been involved in numerous conflicts outside its borders and has been responsible for the death of tens of thousands of civilians in places like Chechnya and Syria through its own bombing campaigns so out of all the reasons for Putin to dislike NATO this must be the biggest contradiction. So basically Putin is saying " I am opposed to NATO getting involved in other countries sovereignty but its okay if I do it " And then the video clearly mentions Putin is concerned with the " cultural influence of countries that join NATO" as its based on Western ideology which is based on things like "Democracy, individual liberty and rule of law " .......seriously that is exactly what I would expect every person on this forum to believe in since all of us live in countries that believe in these things. Whats the alternative? Undemocratic systems and governments that dont believe in the rule of law and order ? By the way talking about videos where is the latest video from the hotties? You know I always agree with the girls so if they said " we dont like or trust NATO and support Russia " I would be immediately convinced

Sarex two wrongs dont make a right, I can understand your apprehension and or mistrust of the West because of how Serbia was treated but the worlds a different place now and the reality of Ukraine is very different to the wars in the Balkans You the only person on this forum whose support of Russia in this Ukraine crisis really makes sense because of the history of how Serbia was treated. I may not agree with the support for Russia but I do understand and if I was Serbian I would probably feel the same way

Do you want to know something scary, 28 million South Africans live on social grants which is 46% of our population They receive per month the equivalent to $135\month as a maximum amount because their are different categories and somehow they survive. Imagine trying to survive on $135 per month https://businesstech.co.za/news/budget-speech/470788/social-grants-in-south-africa-will-increase-by-less-than-inflation-mboweni/

Thanks Raithe, I appreciate the feedback and details. Very interesting post

Makes sense but if the US implemented UBI like you guys are talking about it would be life?

Okay I see, it makes sense now The risk is still their because what if someone is unemployed or doesn't want to work?Should someone who isnt interested in working and contributing get all these benefits. Thats why in the UK they try to monitor and manage the unemployment benefits ...its not for free loaders Because their is no risk if your country can afford that as long as the majority of people are still working

Before you can ask " will it work " you have to ask " what are you trying to achieve" So what do you want to achieve by taxing the 1%, do you want to end inequality through UBI ?

I dont think anyone would argue with you but the concern is the abuse you see where people dont want to work and contribute towards the state and they happy to live off social grants

Sorry I thought we were talking about UBI (universal basic income grant ) Do you mind using the full name of these social programs so I know exactly what you mean because they called different things in different countries

So its not as bad as everyone keeps saying, good to know