BruceVC

I have explained this before, Johnson didnt consider the event you quoting as a party on the 13 November. So he didnt lie. He was wrong about what transpired and he was given misinformation as the link I posted clarifies And he apologized from the quote below, https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/boris-johnson-lockdown-party-partygate-1.6416773 ""I understand the anger that many will feel that I, myself, fell short when it came to observing the very rules which the government I lead had introduced to protect the public. And I accept in all sincerity that people had the right to expect better," Johnson said late Tuesday. "And now I feel an even greater sense of obligation to deliver on the priorities of the British people." Thats why it is possible he can apologize for breaking Covid rules and its not the same thing as him admitting he lied And my point has been same from the beginning, their is a media accusation that he lied. He didnt lie as I keep explaining

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Where in that link does it say Johnson admitted to lying? No one is disputing if parties were held, the question I am asking is when did Johnson admit he lied? Because the criticism is that he lied and he has maintained he didnt lie An allegation of lying is not the same as lying and he was fined for breaching of Covid regulations, not lying https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/boris-johnson-lockdown-party-partygate-1.6416773

Okay I see your concerns, do you have the link that confirms Johnson admitted to lying? Because that seems an important part of your criticism towards him? Here is a link that summarizes my view on this that he didnt lie which is fundamental to any views we may have of him https://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/boris-johnson-didnt-lie-about-partygate-he-was-just-given-wrong-information-jacob-rees-mogg-claims-3640105 But it appears you are convinced he did lie so I just want to review your source of information?

Yes I think we may be debating different points, I will make the same point again but I need to clarify what you are concerned about This is about the specific events that colloquially is known as Partygate and in summary the media feeding frenzy and outrage is about " a party\parties that occurred in Downing street that Johnson was part of and yet UK citizens were told you cant party because of lockdown regulations " What exactly are you critical about, is about the parties that were held in Downing Street or the allegation that he lied? So would you be fine if he had admitted " yes we had parties in Downing Street " ?

Interesting point, were all citizens in Oz told they had to come to work during the 2 years of the virus. In SA most of us sat at home and only essential services had to work in the office So in the case of SA and our public sector most people didnt have to come to work. Not all citizens did have to pay their wages because if you were not expected to work in an office its not the same as people who were told " you must be at work "

I thought we were in agreement you weren't going to play the " hes a fascist\nazi" card unless its true and their is evidence And do you know why we dont like to play this card? Its undermines real examples of fascism because words like fascism have a specific definition in the English language And when you do this in any society this means people dont respond in the same way to this type of bigotry when its true because it gets overused and its like crying wolf But dont think Im suggesting you cant criticize people or politicians, just try to do it accurately

You dont think that if you part of essential services and you working in an office 24/7 with a group of people having a party with those same people makes no difference to virus exposure because you already exposed because you seeing those same people everyday ? In other words the UK banned social gatherings because of the highly transmissible nature of the virus. But its irrelevant if you have to work everyday with people because what difference does a party make with those same people?

Yes and their were various pandemic restrictions and laws, outside the US, in countries like SA and UK that very few people adhered to and everyone I know broke the " no social gatherings " But I remember our politicians always got called out despite the majority of us citizens doing the same thing But in the UK Johnson insisted on Downing Street being open and everyone in his cabinet had to work and they did even before we had the benefit of vaccines. So while everyone got to sit at home in the beginning the essential services, like his cabinet, worked and people got sick and some people died. He nearly died The UK media is having a feeding frenzy over Partygate but they were fine when he was working but suddenly a " party" for the same people who work together 24/7 is considered such a unacceptable event Do you see how the outrage isnt really fair ?

Well he says he didnt lie because the 10 minutes he spent having 2 drinks he considered a social gathering or something similar And I tend to agree, 10 minutes and saying hi to people definitely isnt a party by my definition? And its normal in UK politics for these votes of confidence when someone falls out of favor even if its not their fault like Theresa May. His days are numbered but not right now

Whats your suggestion to mass shootings in the US?

Thats strange, the game was rock solid for me during the 20 hours I played it If its on Steam use the Verify Integrity of Files to confirm their is no corruption?

I played TW1 and recently bought TW2 with all the DLC on special on Steam I thought TW1 was fun, not great but fun

Thanks, I have never been to Greece and its yet another EU country I want to visit Can I stay with you to keep travel costs down, just 5 days or so and I promise to be on my best behavior. I wont mention BLM or socialism once

Yes but with the amount of corruption and criminality ongoing in NZ, like the KFC smuggling cartel, you would expect NZ to demonstrate good governance. Your government has to redeem itself to its citizens You cant compare the UK to NZ and Johnson paid a fine so lets "not throw the baby out with the bathwater "

Wormie !!! Stop trying to beat Kanie the whole time, this is a gaming forum and not a competition

I suppose you right, its normal to overreact with politicians...its probably got to do with the general mistrust many people have towards their politicians And just for the record, I dont think your PM should have resigned. She made a mistake and it wouldnt have been fair or reasonable for her to resign over this incident

Yes and he has been fined already for this infringement Why must he now also resign, Elerond in life and in politics we dont want to overreact to everything our politicians do if its not criminality Especially if they good at their job, Johnson has been the PM for 2 of the most difficult UK crisis ever seen in living memory. Both BREXIT and Corona he helped steer the UK through and he should get some political credit for that I dont remember you demanding your PM resign when she was caught clubbing during lockdowns?

What !!! That's outrageous, who are these people Melkie we need names and addresses of these people so they can be brought in for questioning

This whole Partygate was just an unnecessary witch-hunt, the UK media and political parties are notorious for this type of outrage when a PM loses favorability. Remember all the negative attention towards Theresa May even though she tried extremely hard to deliver on BREXIT she still got blamed for the impasse that opposition parties were responsible for What is Johnson really guilty of? For spending 10 minutes having drinks with most of his staff at Downing Street and people are outraged because " they couldnt party and have social functions like the PM" Except essential services never stopped working in most countries even when their were no vaccines and many people in Downing street got sick and died because they had to work throughout the lockdowns so whats the big deal about social functions for people that are working together anyway everyday? Yes he " lied " but he didnt consider having 1-2 drinks as a party...I dont either? @Gfted1 Its a storm in a teacup, your instincts are correct as usual

Wikipedia is just a reference, you shouldnt use it for the foundation of your analysis or research It can be very useful as a starting point or just a quick summary of a debates talking points but its always recommended to use other websites for information But the biggest source of ongoing misinformation around Putins War is what comes directly from the Kremlin and the current Russian media houses. And sadly many Russians dont have access to alternative sources of information so they still think this unprovoked invasion was about Neo-Nazi, NATO and Nukes ( the 3 N )

Why dont you like Peterson? What points has he made that you disagree with ?

Jordan Peterson is an important intellectual and influencer, I agree with much of what he says but not everything But I wouldnt put him in the same group as the Pope, the Pope really rejects ostentatiousness and seems to absolutely care about the poor and downtrodden in ways I have never seen any Pope care in my lifetime I respect him immensely even if I disagree with some of his economic ideas Peterson is more a political commentator around SJ issues and culture wars, the Pope is ....well he is the Pope. That makes him more important then Peterson could ever be IMO

What an interesting person to meet, who was he ? Now we can end the fun guessing game of what Nordic country you live in

I was looking at Dark Side, it does look worthwhile and that Snow White Vampiress looks like a nice Romance option if you can