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Yeah, Omikron was very underrated. Though I disagree there wasn't very much consequence at all. Omikron had choice comparable with Sandbox (It kinda was one) games in what to do next or if you follow certain things (though more than them). In the end most things boiled down to very little consequence. Also it both profited and suffered for beeing a David Cage Game. Great Director (Main Reason Fahrenheit and Heavy Rain have such a high status), horrible Writer (with some good things in between. But few.)

I'm sorry but that user is just theorycrafting there. He does not have access to any more sales information than the rest of us, and discounts have been offered for games that have sold well before, hell my collector's edition of ME2 was heavily discounted before release from what I recall. The user admits that the PC version was number 3 in the best sellers list for Play, and tries to wrangle it to indicate that it only did so because it was marked down while the console versions were not given the discount and did not sell so well. I could argue that it was given a discount because Play managed to get more sales on it than it thought and so could afford to give it a discount while the console versions didn't and so they kept them at the high price. We also don't know how many people didn't preorder it but bought it after release, from what I have seen many people held off on it as they were unsure and then bought it later, possibly driving the price down due to lack of confidence only to then find it selling after release, that is still a sale whichever way you spin it. Remember, the publisher still gets the same amount of money per sale regardless what the stores sell them at, so even if all the stores discount the game as long as they sell Sega still makes money. I have not deluded myself into thinking AP will become a blockbuster or even sell that well, but until I see actual sales numbers and profits I will not believe that anyone really has any idea how well it has done (or not done). ^This Furthermore, not to mention that play.com is not represantive for a large chunk of the european market. Also his last sentences are fairly biased against the game. So I call a "I see what I want to see" As far as I can see checking several online-houses sales have been rather mediocre to good. Not anywhere near Red Dead Redemption but that was expectable.

No, you don't own them silence. You're right, What you DO own them is not going on a stupid avenge trip just because you're feeling mishandled. Because that is even more cowardly than anything else. If nobody asks you and there is no harm in said product just shut up. Especially when it's the release of the product. Because thats some human decency anyone should have.

That outcome at actually isn't a veteran only option... Really...I wasn't able to do both with Operative and Recruit (Albatross/Sie)...some Intel missed or bad choices I made in Dialogue? I won't give specifics, but we do have checks based on backgrounds other than Recruit and Veteran, as well as skill ranks. I actually noticed that when I did my agent/spy playthrough. I was refrenced multiple times according to my background.

Sorry, that was me not formulating a sentence right. Anyway, I shut up now. This thread is for patch suggestions.

I'm not saying it was the first game of its kind or anything, but next to 99% of games at the time, it was pretty unusual. And, for the record, if you want to rate games purely on the grounds of "does it have a good story or not"... even pulp fiction makes the best games look like absolute garbage. Not really. First of all both are very different naratives. Also saying "Every other story is better than video game stories" is completly untrue. I just have to look in my local bookstore at garbage that is called "Bestseller" to understand that. And. I LIKED Deus Ex Story. I said it before. I just said it is not that amazing. Also there have been many good video game stories come out before Deus Ex. Believe it or not.

Phew, good thing there's no glitch, guess I just imagined i- oh wait. I meant something else, actually. I know people that didn't found him in the last screen. Just wanted to clarify if that was meant. That's why i wrote: "Or do you mean something different?" Never expirienced or heard the bug before. Nice to know.

I haven't played Alpha Protocol, but I can comment on this : Deus Ex didn't only have a pretty bad story, but also pretty bad dialogues, and the hilarious delivery was only part of it. When it comes down to it Deus Ex is basically your usually 'there's always been a conspiracy behind the scene', 'man-made virus' and all that kind of things. The way they created the world was actually quite compelling but the story itself was pretty weak. Deus Ex, for its time, had a pretty impressive story. You have to realise that it came out in about 2001, and also had a lot of inquiries into politics, philosophy, etc. that most games never even bother with, not to mention the entire history and fiction surrounding the world. All the miscellaneous newspapers, books, etc. go a long way to making the world feel legitimate and believable. Some of the dialogue does feel a bit arbitrary and random (seems like everyone wants you to know their opinion on government systems), but aside from some bad voice acting in Hong Kong I really don't think there's anything wrong with it. Planescape Torment came out in 1999. Also there were already games in the early 90 that got deep. Most are somewhat forgotten though. And yes, there was not much wrong with it. But it wasn't really that impressive either.

I agree with this. The conversations in Alpha Protocol are great, but they're also totally scripted. I would have loved having situations where I could walk around an environment and talk to people. It'd go a long way towards Alpha Protocol feeling more like an RPG. Though, that comes with the gerne. Movie and book spies usually have very definitive objectives when they go into public. The E-Mail contacts make up for it. Especially since they are extremly funny and well written. Well, Sales don't look to bad as of now, so maybe that can be an improvment in the sequel.

Obisidian normally does. Have no fear. Though these aren't that much problems so far. Many are suggestions to change balance or little design decisons. @reg1.1 Chateu Glitch? You don't mean the mission where you have to scan people? There is no Glitch. He's walking around on a balcony. Or do you mean something different?

Deep? Deus Ex isn't that deep. There is some things that are given by the setting but.... It's not really that exceptional. Liked it very much, though. Furthermore. Yeah, you can bring it down to that, expect we are completly ignoring believable (in the sense of that they never really act out of character) characters, consistant storytelling, very very few plotholes (and even then it would be nitpicking),... I could go on.... Point is: Originality in overall plot has almost NOTHING to do with good writing, overall quality or storytelling. P.S Concerning that AP is a conspiracy thriller,.... well its DAMN good. They are usually full of plotholes.

To be honest, I find this offensive. I keep getting this impression that there is a heavy bias from some, who try to categorize on nationality along with the implication that some how American is there fore inferior. I think this is wrong on many levels. One of the ironies of this post is that the reviewers, the journalists I know who work for these major publications are often times non-americans. Many of the major publications are multi-national. Game Spot for example operates in both the US and UK. Eurogamer gave the game a 7 out of ten, the German version an 8 out of 10. Reading the user reviews from the regions shows just as many varied responses as their North American counterparts. The point is that there is no great divide between the two continents, and it isnt so "black and white" what one can identify "american" reviews against those in europe, especially when the review sites you call American might have been written and reviewed by a European staff. Some like the game, some do not, but I believe most recognize that the title needs polish and some tweaking. This is not uncommon. To be honest. I didn't want to be offensive. It was just abour that the game was different reviewed in other countrys. It has probably more to do with the gamers of a certain country other than reviewers. There are a lot of rpg gamers in Germany, Vienna, Swiss for example. Sorry, anyway.

Imperator and Garland were awesome villians. Seriously I&II have such a bad rep and I don't know why (II had a broken leveling system but apart from that...). They were pretty good for NES titles. III was a lot worse. My favourites are VI, IX, IV, V and XII Currently I'm playing Dragon Quest VI for DS in the japanese version. Great game.

"Everyone who likes the game is a fanboy." Mods, please? Trolling doesn't get much more blatant than this. "mods please?" are you serious??? LOL! Well according to you all, everyone who says another game is better is also a fanboy, so whatdaya have to say about that? don't worry I'll wait... List reasons. Listen to reasons. Also, if you like a game more than another is entirely subjective and not a problem. However, if you BASH another Game for NO GOOD REASON...... That is entirly another story. Especially if you are ignoring flaws of other games you like when you do it.

1. Kotor2. Where did I talk about KOTOR2? (Or did you not mean me?) 2. Yep, but also great storytellers. The problem here is, that it has them because of their products. And they are a fact! Not so much an anonymus commentator which will be seen as a fact by people who skim through the sites and magazines. 3. Well, that does not break the language barrier. Especially people generally listen to magazines and sites from their own country first. Anyway, not important actually. Forget it. 4. agree about Bethesda.

Complaining helps, to learn from faults. It's sometimes better than a lot of praise to improve a game. Of course, complaining without reason and detail is worthless.

Look I have nothing against you, but if you take a step back and look at this thread and just read with an objective eye, you will start laughing, trust me. You don't get the thread do you. (Most) of the members here made a joke about it. It isn't about a conspiracy. It is just a point out to all the bashing it gets. For critic points that many other games have too who are way higher ranked. Of course, there "could" be someone who is thinking about an actualy conspiracy, but I see nobody particular in this thread.

Maybe he wasn't on the team during the KOTOR2 days. Maybe he thought that the game turned out well in spite of the limited timeframe, so he didn't feel like he had to defend the team. Maybe he's still bitter at Chris Parker for scrapping his many suggestions to fix the gameplay. Who knows? I'm not arguing that what the guy did was professional or even just intelligent.. I'm just arguing that it could be true, and given the possibility, I, as a journalist, would publish it in a news. As simple as that. As for 'hurting sales', let's be honest, I doubt that this comment will hurt sales, if anything, it will be the major gaming sites review that are lukewarm at best that will hurt the game sales. That's a lot of maybes and a lot of speculation. The problem with speculation is, what you seem to ignore, that it can easily manipulate people. Thats also how an image of Obsidian comes into peoples minds that doesn't have to be true. That IS dangerous for a company. Regardless of the topic. And I don't think it should be in a magazine because that is on the level on any sensational paper. Also for the third time. The world isn't just america. If you believe it or not. Most european reviewers gave it favorable reviews and I can see it sell well, at least over here.

With no word did we say it couldn't be true (at least in the last few posts) Hell, I don't think development on ANY game goes without drama. And the problem isn't a campagin AGAINST Alpha Protocol (Honestly, I would accept any score between 75-85). It's that in comparison to other overhyped games (including RDR, Fallout 3,.... list goes on) problems are blown out of proportion. Especially since in these games similiar problems are considerd "minor". Well, anyway I'm happy with the reviewers in my country. (Which were all around ~80)

Before 2004-2005 they were easily one of the best review sites actually. Though quality always depends on the reviewer.

Well, I still isn't a valid excuse. I don't go around to the customers of my former employer and tell them "Work sucked, don't buy the product". (And I really hated one. Believe me) It's an enormusly dickish move even when the reason behind it is understandable. And from the comments I read from the designers (Including from twitter and a guy at the something awful forums) they seem rather proud of it and what they have done. And why "as well". It wasn't a disappointment for everyone. There are many people who are happy how it turned out and love playing it.

True, though it is to expect that some sort of drama always happens. Its just a normal workplace like any other. It's still not nice to attack them, though.

Not to mention we don't even know what the guy (if) even worked on. He could be some low level employee who thinks he knows everything better. It's also more than dickish to his former colleagues and workplace.

Wait what? Here in germany there wasn't one major game magazine that gave it under a 80. I looked over most european review sites (including french, finnland, swedish,polish, spain, and and and) and the scores of ~80 were way in the majority. That's a difference to the 60-70 ones in America.

Here's the irony of your comment. You criticize Deus Ex Machina because "you didn't have any issues with ME1/2, Oblivion, or Fallout 3." It's possible that people don't have issues with Alpha Protocol too. I haven't found any bugs yet (but it's still early for me). Huh? Where did I criticize Deus Ex? That's in my top 5 games of all time He did mean the USER "Deus Ex Machima" Also Deus Ex? Really? Well, your just ignoring here that Deus Ex has many of the same complaints as Alpha Protocol. MANY. At release it mostly got a rating of 80-85 and it wasn't seen as a polished game. Its one of my favourite games though, too. I see here a very different fanboy.