Sarjahurmaaja.

"BTW, it's been confirmed that the analog attachment will ship with the console. The only question is if the "regular controller" attachment comes with it as well." According to Ender it does. "you guys can go back to getting another one of my threads locked." When you think about it, two threads for one thing is too much, isn't it?

"I might just have to consider adding you to my ignore list as well." OH NOES, ENDER IS GOING TO IGNORE ME! WHAT WILL I DO? MY WORLD IS RUUUUIIIIN'D!

"You have gone beyond flippant and now resort to flat out trolling." Oh, Ender, you're ****ing retarded and also being a ****. Yeah, I went there. After you're done crying go report me.

"Really? When CD technology game out, it allowed for games to use video footage, cinematics, digital audio, voice acting, etc. Storage has often held back would be innovations in gaming. Without larger mediums for storage, we can't push for more content in the game. Who knows what new forms of content we can push when storage isn't an issue at all?" So, in short, you have no idea what to do with that storage space, but you think it's good to have it just in case someone figures out what to do with it? "So wireless controls, hard drives, Live service, voice controlled games, wireless headsets, microcontent updates, community driven marketplaces for mods, dual-TV support, etc. doesn't count? Those change the way we play games." Wireless controls won't and we had the option this gen already. Optional hard drives won't. Nintendo has it's equivelant of Live, doesn't it? Voice controlled games do, but only if the tech concerning it has made some serious leaps since the last time I looked into it. I don't see how having wireless headsets would change how I play a game at all from just having a headset that is not wireless. Content updates we had with XBox last time, did it change much? I don't think so. And again, doesn't Nintendo now have a download service too? Also, nothing new to a PC gamer. Mods are nothing new to a PC gamer. Dual TV support? Yeah, I bet that gets tons of use because there's a huge amount of people who have enough TVs, preferably HDTVs, to spare that they can hook up two to a console. "Such as the U-Force, SNES Mouse, Virtual Boy, Robo, SuperScope 6, PowerGlove, etc. etc. Yep, I can see your point." D-pad, shoulder buttons, analogue sticks, trigger buttons, Rumble Pack, Wavebird. Granted, Force Feedback not wirelessness wasn't invented by Nintendo but they were the ones who first brought it to consoles. And then got copied. "No, as I have noted, their innovation is something I've already owned for 10 years. That's not innovation if you ask me." It doesn't sound to me that your joystick thing is comparable to the Revolution controller, sorry. "Market share and profit are two differnet things." Indeed they are. It seems to me that Nintendo has found the perfect niche for its products and is catering for it instead of trying to dominate the whole market in a foolish gamble. "They could go the way of Sega, and I've demonstated that everyone, Nintendo included profits from that." I'm sure the people at Nintendo know their business better than you do, actually. They make huge profits, after all. "You are being flippant, but worse, you don't know what you're talking about." See, this is why I flamed you in the MDK argument. You're throwing pebbles at me. I don't appreciate that. Either we play nice or we flame the hell out of eachother. But don't throw those ****ing pebbles at me.

"The Revolution's controller when fully put together looks just like the Gamecube controller, with the remote sticking out the middle." Yeah, they don't mention the "shell" being standard issue there, do they? I think that pretty much debunks 90% of your post, too. "Futhermore, the pointing device pretty much removes access to most of the other buttons. Mouse and keyboard comparisons aren't fair, because you do quite a bit with a mouse and keyboard as opposed to a pointer and two buttons." Spellmar says: "Furthermore." Yeah, it isn't fair. The mouse is, by far, less intuitive and also has less functionality. "However, Nintendo has said outright that the Revolution is not capable of 720p, 1080i, 1080p, let alone dual 1080p images. So much for next-gen when you are sticking with 480 vertical lines." Well, the Wikipedia article I got my information from disagrees with you. Go change it. "Apparently you haven't heard about the XNA. Again, Microsoft has been developing an API so that you could seemlessly develop for the PC and 360 at once. They have toolkits for multi-core compiling." Woo. Toolkits for compiling. I'm sure that it will take care of all the troubles that having multi-core processors has. "You ignore the actual questions I post and respond with flippant and unfactual remarks." You mean the 'why put one out'? I thought it was kind of obvious, what with the Nintendo being the most succesful company in console business, that they should do as they see fit, since they clearly know how to run their business.

"If you think that Blue-Ray storage and multicore processing isn't huge, then I don't know what to tell you. In order to push boundaries, you need the tools to push them." No, I don't see the benefits of blu-ray outside of HD movies. And I certainly don't see using technology that no programmer has sufficient experience in as a huge thing, either. And in the end, it's still going to amount to "neater particle FX". There is the benefit of being able to create games with more realistic physics, but I don't see as something that's going to be utilized much nor do I feel that your standard, ordinary gamepad will be a sufficient device to interact with such a game. "The Revolution has a gimmick and that is it." Quite a lot of Nintendo's "gimmicks" tend to get copied by their competitors when the next generation comes around. And frankly, if you don't have the imagination to see what could be done with their latest "gimmick", I pity you. "The Gamecube had piss-poor market share, and very few exclusive titles that were must own." Yeah, well, didn't stop Nintendo from making just about as much money as Sony.

"Which generation had support for two tvs at once, let alone two 1080p images at once? Which generation was pushing next-gen DVD formats before standard players were even common?" I'm sure those two will revolutionize gameplay in some significant manner. You know, in the same way it changed the way I play games when I got a better graphics card and could play games on higher resolution. "Which generation featured wireless controllers?" The current one. "And since power is an issue, which generation launched with more power than home PCs? When the XBox launched, it wasn't much more than a Celeron PC. The PS3 and XBox 360 are launching with more power than gaming PCs, but also with unique features." When PSOne launched, it pretty much beat the snot out of most PCs. Then we got 3D Accelerators. Also, "unique features"?

"If they wanted to integrate their new controller, they could just the same way any peripheral controller could be used." Yeah, because games that require a controller other from the standard tend to do well. "The game would be in high-def, could use the hard drive, and could have plenty of content on that awesome blue-ray disc." Last I heard, none of the next gen consoles have a hard drive in the basic version of the console. As for blu-ray, barring HD movies, I just don't see the use for discs as big as those. Revolution's status on HDTV is still unclear, too: we don't know yet if it can't output to HDTV at all or is it just left to developers' discretion. Besides, I might not want to see resources thrown on that **** anyways. "For instance, in the next generation, the 360 will have an advantage in how easy it would be to port a PC title, or develop for the 360 in general." Oh really? I thought it would be kinda hard, what with the dual core processor and all. "The Revolution's one advantage comes in a gimmick controller which easily could have been released as a gimmick controller licensed by Nintendo for the PS3 or 360." Yeah, a gimmick just like the touch screen on DS, right? Besides, an optional third party controller would hardly be used at all. "Seriously, the Revolution may be the new Dreamcast. It will have it's fans, but it may be the death knoll for Nintendo's console division." I really don't see how Dreamcast is analogous to Revolution. There are two consoles already going for the "neater particle FX" direction, I'd like to see something different.

Oh, your point is that since Nintendo might not make insane profits the next round, they shouldn't even try? "Nintendo has proven that they don't care about the actual hardware of their console." Yeah, it seems to me they're more into figuring out new ways to improve gameplay and change the way we play games. Which is something I, as a gamer, appreciate more than neater particle FX.

Ender, why should Nintendo, as perhaps the most succesful company in the console business, change what they're doing?

"I'm really hard pressed to see any good reason to even discuss the Revolution." On the other hard, there are good reasons to discuss the other next gen consoles. Such as them being pretty much the same as the generation before, only more powerful. Excuse me while I fail to contain my excitement: woo.

"What one considers 'poor combat' differs from person to person. I for one didn't think the combat was poor at all. And never understood the folks that do." That might be because you wouldn't recognize good combat even if it hit you in the face repeatedly with a sledgehammer and took a dump in your mouth.

"There is noitihing wroinig with the coimbat oif planescape toirment. It is the same as the coiimbat in balduirs gate, and it is muich better than the coiimibat oif balduirs gate 2 where yoiui have enemies randoimily instantly killing yoiui in oirider toi add artificial challenges toi the coimibat." Yes there is. It is boring and ridiculously unfun. Whether or not it compares well to other games with ****ty combat is hardly of any consequence.

"I'm sorry, but to me changing my stats from 16 int, 17 cha to 17 int, 16 cha is NOT a new role or even a new version of The Nameless One." Indeed it is not. And that's why we're all glad PST wasn't limited to that, unlike so many other games.

"There were times I thought she was like Visas in that regard. They had no eyes, just a substitute substance which they wished to have covered" Visas has empty eyesockets.

I offer thee... Mr. Winky:

"even the ones that are for older more mature audiences that would make a person question his exsistance?" Especially those ones.

"Also, what does satte mean? Im assuming you mean death, but how the hell did you misspell it that badly?" State, probably.

So, no?

Third? I've only seen two.

Rather a satire, perhaps. A blunt one, but still.

"Neither. Its because the movie was a farce of the original novel." So what?

Oh, quite right. Quite right.

"I got tired of that franchise 10 minutes in the first movie." Because it was just a mindless action movie, right?

Hildegard: Oh yeah? Well,