Wrath of Dagon

There was no military rational for killing the Jews, it was done purely out of racism.

Who will be the judge on what they deserve? How would you measure by metrics someone else's pain? What about the potential abuse of these methods by future governments? Also, do you even support the Geneva conventions? Read the links provided by taks, they pretty much sealed the deal. What do your first three sentences have to do with anything? And yes, I support those Geneva conventions which the US signed. Those apply only to uniformed soldiers fighting for a country which itself had signed the Geneva conventions. Thus Japanese soldiers were prosecuted because they had no right to do what they did under the Geneva conventions. Moreover, they did a lot more than waterboard, they beat and starve out soldiers, who were legal and legitimate prisoners of war. All the procedures approved by the Justice Department for terrorist interrogations are done to our soldiers as well, as part of their training to prepare them for possible capture and interrogation.

When they're a brutal, vicious, merciless enemy and have information we need to prevent future attacks and save the lives of our own citizens. Also the terrorist scum weren't tortured, they were interrogated with methods far gentler than they deserve.

So I guess that makes what the terrorists are doing now OK. I feel much better now.

I draw the line at the scum that intentionally blow up innocent women and children.

Yes, poor little jihadists, if only they got more love as children. Let's all hold hands and sing Kumbaya.

No, it's just that your metaphor doesn't make sense. Maybe you should try another one. But there isn't really a sensible metaphor to explain torture is there? No, it's just that you didn't understand the metaphor. The point was that terrorists don't need to be treated as human beings, not that dogs should be tortured. Terrorists are in fact much worse than rabid dogs, since dogs aren't responsible for their own actions, as they aren't sentient.

MTW1 battles were a lot less arcady than Rome, and the battlefields seemed more real and less like battle arenas. I tried the MTW2 demos and the battles seemed the same as RTW, so I would go with 1.

As usual you miss the point.

That's right, they're rabid dogs, and need to be dealt with accordingly. And btw, speaking of intelligence professionals:

If you get no useful info from CIA's interrogation methods, they wouldn't have asked the Justice Department to authorize them, why would they waste their time and create political problems for something that doesn't work? Because I disagree with most of your leftist views? Promoting human rights makes you a lefty now? Promoting terrorist rights. These aren't political dissidents.

Because I disagree with most of your leftist views? And again, by Justice Departments legal interpretation, what was allowed did not meet the definition of torture, if you read the memos you'll see they were very careful to draw a line between what does and does not constitute torture, since torture is illegal under US law. Having said that, if they catch a guy who has info on a planned nuclear attack, I want them to use whatever means necessary, legal or not.

The point of coercive interrogation is to break the subject psychologically, so he becomes willing to cooperate. It's a part of a complex process, it's not like they just inflict pain and the terrorist starts talking. In fact inflicting pain was not allowed according to the released memos.

Does it really matter. How would you like it if I did the same to you so I could know something? The difference is I'm not a terrorist. If a terrorist ever captures you, it won't matter how nice you were to them.

I guess all of you guys know exactly what information CIA got and exactly how they got it. I must say I'm very impressed and flattered to be in such elevated company.

Men of War is supposed to be really good, haven't tried it myself though.

Have you ever played Deus Ex 1? Or System Shock 1 and 2? Or Terra Nova? Or Thief 1 and 2? Thinking Invisible War is a "best" game is totally cool, if you haven't played other similar games. It's like people who think Bioshock is awesome, but have never played System Shock 2. Now if you have plyaed Deus Ex and yet think Invisible war is a superior game then I go: DX is one of the old games I couldn't get into. I got into the Statue of Liberty but was too bored to continue. Not saying it's a bad game or IW is better, just didn't hold my interest long enough to find out.

Not really, but it depends on what you mean by simple.

I couldn't disagree more. The fact that the oligarchic technocracy has sabotaged the education system and turned the average voter into a blathering idiot is not a reason why oligarchic technocracy is justified.

The reason more Americans are obese is most of us don't smoke like chimneys.

Lulz. No wonder you think KotOR is so good. I also think Invisible War is one of the best games I ever played. I guess I'm just not part of the RPG elite.

I might some day, but I find for some reason I can't get into old games when I've tried.

It won't be KOTOR 3.

Sniper.

You're such a cut up, I don't know why you don't do it professionally.