Darth Nuke

Not only that. It also means that from now on, no more Jedi wookies, EU or not. And of course no double-bladed lightsaber wielding slugs either. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Since Lowbacca is returning for the upcoming post NJO series, I don't it means that.

"He must have understood something I said" Can you provide a link? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Why not just type in. StarWars.com then go to the forums.

I think that means that Lowbacca is the galaxy's greatest con artist. :ph34r: <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Lucas doesn't like the idea, but remember Lucas doesn't always approve of everything the EU does. His continuity is the movies, though he approves and helps with the EU from time to time. So wookies can be Jedi, and Hutts the same in the EU. Just don't exspect to see Hutt and Wookie Jedi in the movies.

Judging from the fact that there are no Massassi in K2, I can see how the Dark Horse editor is a very credible source. <_< And BTW, when was this "holocron" work published? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Um, I said he misunderstood something I said when making that comment. Holocron isn't a work, it's a database where LFL chronicles all the continuity for use in Star Wars material. Go to the main STar Wars forums and find out for yourself.

thats just it. the hutt jedi went against what continuity stated, that the hutt species can NOT be force sensitive. but then they allowed that. but then later they went back to their old stance that hutts cant be jedi. in other words, continuity changes for the sake of current stories. you make it sound like there have never been any flaws in the continuity. but the hutt jedi clearly broke established rules. but nevermind. ill leave you to your "flawless" continuity and your tantrum over a ship that makes a brief appearance and has no effect on the game whatsoever. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Actually all that was fixed. I'd have to ask someone though, forgot how the fix worked. Continuity really isn't that flawed,works well, and most of the continuity problems have been resolved. Even Marvel is complete in the timeline. The Basilisk in KOTOR 2 shows a lack of respect for continuity. Because something looks stupid, someone feels the right to change it. Ah,ah, approve or not. A BASILISK WAR DROID is a Karren Bettle and Zalorian Rock lion. Wait it might not even be that. It believe it's more based of the Basiliskan themselves. The Basiliskans are Beast Dragons, not sleek Virago Star Vipers. EDIT: A Basilisk is a BEAST, THAT IS ESTABLISHED. 3 sources, one used for offical continuity. To be looked at and say,"Oh, so that's a Basilisk War Droid." Holocron has the Basilisk as a BEAST, not A VIRAGO STAR VIPER.

Who said anything about proving anything. The Basilisk was defined in the Mandalorian Article as a war droid modeled after a Karren Bettle and a Zalorian Rock Lion. I should say that I only suspect that the article makes note that the Basilisk is a Stealth in KOTOR 2, the article never actually says it is. So on a continuity stand point, the Basilisk in KOTOR 2 is wrong. Approved or not. Learn how continuity works. LA/LFL has to fix it. Unless of course Dark horse takes it off their hands. And wait a minuite. There's is a difference between continuity being messed up, and not liking something. The Hutt Jedi is continuity, you may not like it, but according to continuity there is nothign wrong with it. Most mistakes have been fixed in the EU, and more are fixed.

and your point? it doesnt matter what dark horse prints. if lucasfilms or lucasbooks decides in the next couple of months they want to go with the video game design rather than dark horse, then thats what will happen, regardless if dark horse says so or not. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> LOL Dark Horse is one of the main continuity products. Is everything approved by LFL, TRUE. However when it comes to the comics, LFL approves continuity. Dark Horse created the Valley, the Basilisk, and the Massassi when they draw it, it's approved. AFter KOTOR, a comic, Republic 63 I believe, had the original Valley. Approved by LFL, you bet. GAMES never WIN NeverWinter, I don't even have to prove to know I'm right. It's so much better not to prove it, because when the Valley returns to it's original self or the Basilisk, I'll just laugh. I'm not one of those people who say, "I told you so," or am I?

above the games, perhaps. above lucasarts and lucasfilms final decision? no. so unless you were speaking to george lucas himself, your comment is irrelevant. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Like I say, get Tales 23,and see how continuity really works. After you have done so, everything I said above will come to pass. For the Valley of the Dark Lords will no longer look anything like the KOTOR version, but as it should in Comic form.

So it's not cool to you, or that person, or this person, but it is cool to others. A lot cooler than taking a Virago Star Viper and calling it a Basilisk.

People there's only one man who has the look a feel of Canderous/ Mandalore. Ron Pearlman: A.K.A Hellboy

I need to restate some of that. Del Rey will keep it as a Stealth version for continuity. But oh how I hope for a Dark Horse adaptation. I'll just love it when continuity will have Exile and his two friends riding the beast down instead of the Virago. Edit: I was talking to the Editor of Dark Horse once, and we got on the subject of the Massassi. He must have understood something I said, and believed that Obsidian had changed the way the Massassi looked for KOTOR 2. His comment was very interesting implying that no matter what Obsidian they would not change the way a Massassi looked on Dark Horse standards. Who in which case are above the games in the continuity time table.

Lucasfilm approved the K2 war droid as well...the same LFL that approved the beast. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> And after the fact might I add. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> That doesn't mean anything...if you used that logic then the Valley of the Dark Lords potrayed in TOTJ is inaccurate compared to the one in K1...yet Lucasfilm licensed both. But like you said they're keeping the ToTJ one for the Tales comics...they could be using the k2 war droid as continuity for all you know. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Thing you need to reverse some of that. The Valley in KOTOR is inaccurate, the KOTOR comic will portray the true Valley of the comics. So Revan will be climbing those stairs to Marka Ragnos tomb like everyone else. And since the Basilisk War Droid was approved as the Beast for the Article, which is the dominant definition found in the Continuity Holocron ran by Leland Chee, who is in charge of continuity, I don't think the Virago will be continuity. Trust, Dark Horse makes a comic, Del Rey makes a book, say bye bye to your precious Virago. Well not bye bye, but bye in the sence that will never be a Basilisk War Droid again. You truely need to learn how continuity works if your going against me.

Lucasfilm approved the K2 war droid as well...the same LFL that approved the beast. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> And after the fact might I add.

Biowares only true mistake was the Valley of the Dark Lords. Which was because the real one was to big for the game. Though the mistake will be fixed in comic form. Obsidian has: HK vs Mandalore The Nagai Naga Sadow The Basilisk War Droid: Approved, but approved by who

You know I've noticed that Bioware never once changed a thing in the EU, save for the Valley of the Dark Lords. Which I hear was done so because of time and because the real Valley would take up to much room. This SHIP Chris says that Bioware stole and used for the Republic fleet looks nothing like the Republic carrier in the PT. Almost like, but not exactly like. The VIRAGO WAR DROID, looks exactly like a VIRAGO STAR VIPER. Bioware also intended for the Beast to be the War droid. There is no RIDING IN, because I just went through the damn game, and listened carefully to Canderous word for damn word. He talks about HIS armor glowing red hot because of the Reentry. So that right there doesn't hold up to the BUS Virago WAR Droid. Which is approved but doesn't mean it's cannon. You people need to learn how cannon works. Lucas Arts approves crap all the time, but LFL is the one's who deal with the continuity. There is a small difference between Lucas Arts and Lucas Film License. Please,please get the Tales 23 with the KOTOR comic, which I believe will have the VOTDL. Take a wild guess an which VALLEY was used. Comics and novels have the ability to say **** YOU to the games, they over power them, because they are the dominant forms of continuity. So if KOTOR 2 is made into an adaptation or the Mandalorian Wars are chronicled by Dark Horse, your precious VIRAGO won't be ****. In such instances it will no longer exist, except in your OWN continuity, but not the offical continuity. Right now the things is a Stealth version, but lets see where continuity takes it from here. And what's this crap about the Virago looking COOL. I wonder if some of really mean that, or are just saying it to defend Chris or others? Of course it's hard to tell on a computer, some of you could lie regardless. I see it all the time, tis why I'm not effected by any insult or post made against me. I enjoy them with a sence of GLEE. The Beast could have been changed to look much cooler, and in fact I like the beast the way it is. It shows the insanity of the Mandalorians. Warriors who will RIDE into battle on a big powerful DROID, and fight. Mandalorians who will fly around in space and reenter planet atmosphears with just their armor as protection. The Beast represents the Mandalorian coolness. No other race in the galaxy is crazy enough to do the things the Mandalorians do. what is this Virago to the Basilisk War Droid? A flying bus that can fire lasers, WOW. It makes the Mandalorians so cool, being like everyone one else with a wierd looking space fighter. Of course I know many of you will say, "That Virago's cool, the beast is crap," LOL. Please!!! <_< At least Bioware had a respect, and knowledge of continuity. They made one mistake out of Obsidians five or more. EDIT: Obsessed, perhaps, or maybe I just believe that things shouldn't be changed just because they look stupid. However I don't believe the Beast looks stupid, and many EU fans don't either. So just because few say it looks cool HERE, lol, don't exspect such an agreement at ACTUAL star war's forums. I need not take anything to Lucas Arts, because Lucas Arts only approved the damn thing. A, "Ok whatever," type deal. Do I have a right to say that. Well after seeing it done, I believe so. Chris didn't like something, thought it was stupid, took a Virago, and had it approved. It's his fault just as much as it was Lucas Arts.

From what I understand, Bio will have a KOTOR 2 forum starting April 1st.

Canderous just wanted Revenge, to get back at something from the Mandalorian Wars. Revenge is not Forbidden to the Canons of Honor, the only thing that is, is being a Mercenary. Revenge isn't dishonorable to the Mandalorians, for many Mandalorians over the generations use it. Look at Mandalore the Ultimates taking of Onderon. Can't tell me some revenge wasn't behind that because of the Great Sith Wars. I believe Canderous even says something like this to Visas, "Now don't get senimental(spelling) on me.......I've been waiting for this for 10 years." Kinda seems to be that he's all excited about taking down the Ravager. So Mandalore is fine, nothing wrong with him. On the Sith: Mandalore says he doesn't want the Sith to win because he knows that they would enslave the Mandalorians.

Damn, Genohardan was supposed to get some love too. Jeez, all this great stuff taken out. Well everything except for the Dustil part. What a terrible waste of character that would have been if added.

I believe Kreia says that the Academy had been around for thousands of years before the events of KOTOR 2. Since the Mandalorians Wars were 10 years before KOTOR 2, I think that means the Academy was BEFORE M5.

Actually in both games Canderous makes no notes of Revenge being a forbidden thing to Mandalorians. I know, because I'm going through KOTOR again, and am about done with Canderous stories. Nothing of revenge comes up. So if there's is nothing said, then it must not be wrong. Revenge is quite common among Mandalorians, as it is with most species in the Star Wars galaxy. The Mandalorians hold nothing against REVAN, and that is the only person they care about. He is the only one honor and respect. Everyone else will get a little payback from the Mandalorians, and the Ravager was just one of those cases.

And where did Revan face Mandalore's forces at? This might be a contradiction, because I think it was implied that Revan was at Malachor in KOTOR. Because Canderous says it was Revan who defeated them at Malachor, not the Jedi or the Republic fleet.

The Ship looks to be a SSD type ship, and would have been a big part of the battle, or atleast and imposing one. I'm sure a ship like that the Mandalorians would remember. Not to mentioning getting a little revenge on anything that happened at Malachor would be something glorifying to them. In any account, that entire Mandalorian part on the Ravager made the game for me.

Korriban and dantooine, again??? FFS, I really, really hope not! Once was enough,twice was really pushing it, but 3 times is just plain lame. I say skip all the planets we've already been thru,and use some of the tons of planets in the star wars universe that were not explored. As for appearances, I'd definetely have Revan and Bastila, possibly a force ghost from Kreia, maybe Jolee,but that is about it. Put in a male cathar jedi (like juhani) that starts as a disciple from the same master as you, goes into ur party but then reveals to be associated with the sith somehow,that would be cool...but like,in the middle of the game so you can either give him opportunity to redeem or if you're ds to join him. Maybe add someone from yoda's race to the actual party as a mentor this time around? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> First things first, I don't mean to contradict you Soulstar but the Miraluka homeworld was "Katar" and Dantooine and Korriban isn't such a bad idea I mean Revan and the Exile did go to both and they could be something like key points to tracking them down <{POST_SNAPBACK}> You don't need both those planet again. They've been done, and neither really have anymore story to tell.

I'm afraid Ulic died ten years later. The last TOTJ series, Redemption, told his final adventure. Ulic was shot in the back by a spacer who thought he would be a hero for killing one of the Sith Lords from the Great Sith War. Before he was killed, he trained Vima Sunrider. He died in Nomi's arms, and disappeared into the force, redeemed.

Planets: Coruscant Mandalore Alderaan Korus Major Manann or Unknown world Ithor New Planet Yavin Returning Characters: Party: Bastila Jolee HK(with Remote) T3-M4 HandMaiden or Visas Marr Non-Party: Mandalore: More important things to do than travel around in the Hawk. He has clans to gather, and war to fight. Carth Zaalbar and Mission Admiral Dodonna Casus Fett Calo Nord Other Stuff: Influence system should be done away with or changed so that Influence can be gained regardless of alignment. The Ability to speak to the Senate in the next game would be sweet.