Dark Wanderer

Was there really a demo for KOTOR 1? A real, playable demo, not just a movie demo? Well, to me it's no concern if we get to see a playable demo or not, but I hope we'll at least get to see one more movie demo at some point...

Well, he could always have gotten aboard on a flighter, then ;p. Still, I dunno if he'd be a good joinable character (VERY doubtous..), even if that would be a very good Yoda-ripoff . Heh, I can even imagine us only meeting him briefly at some point in the game, hiding on one of the darker planets of the game (as Yoda did; a planet strong in the Dark side is a good hiding spot if you want to hide from the dark side, apparently..) :D.

I actually wonder if Master Vandar really died on the Dark Path. The name of the ending movie tells us that the female admiral certainly meet her end, but it doesn't say anything about Master Vandar, meaning that a very small possibility exist that he escaped by the use of an escape pod or something else.

Unless Revan sent him out on some mission before he disappeared. Perhaps, assuming that he's in hiding at the current situation, he ordered Canderous out on some mission or told him to lie low somewhere until he was again contacted by Revan. That could be a potiental reason for Canderous to join the new main chara; it's waaaay past the date of when Revan was supposed to contact him, so Canderous joins the main chara in order to find out what has happened to Revan.

How very fortunate for you, then ;p Nah, irony aside, what's wrong with people saying that an animated/computer-made/etc character looks hot? That doens't make all of us a Kagami

At least on this one I can partly agree with Hades_One. In KOTOR1, the main chara was, at least if you choose the warrior class, supposedly just out of the academy and hadn't seen any (or much) real action yet (don't remember about the other classes, through..). Thus your main chara had a good reason for starting out at 0 XP. But why start a character at 0 XP when you can say almsot for sure that he saw some action (otherwise how could he be a veteran)?.

:sigh:. Hades_One, not everything in the Star Wars universite can be explained in terms of game mechanics! Must everything be "translated" into game mechanics for you to "tie it all together"? Is it simply not good enough to trust how the story only explains it? .

Well, JK2 and KotOR2 do have one thing in common - both exist in the Star Wars universite, so if something that happened in one of them is possible, why wouldn't it be possible for the other one too? Heck, KotOR2 even uses some Force Powers from Jedi Academy, so...

Let's simply settle for tomboy, then

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Well, if it was pissible to use Force Persaude in (almost) every dialouge in the game and it was balanced by the factors you mentioned, then I suppose that a major use of FP could be accpeted by the great majority out there :D. Well, it goes a little further than only that. Remember that Qui-Gon used Force Persuadion (or at lest some mid-trick) on Watto to try and get him to agree to take republic credits? It didn't work, but it's a living proof of what a Jedi can do when he feels that "The end justify the means".

Spoken like a true Dark Sider, I see

Can't really comment ont hat since I don't "know" Jerry Soringer Yes, I remember that too: our actions will infludence the people in our part, but dialouge will (or rather: should!) play an important part here too, since you may need to convince other party members that your conviction is the correct one: For example, if you make an evil deed/choice, a party member might silently go along with it, but later he/she may confront you about your choice and that's when you may need to convince him/her that your choice was the right one and then he/she may come to agree and this he/she is a little corrupted. But I doubt merely actions will affect the members of the party in any case (or at least in the long run; you actions may indeed corrupt, but for the final step to be made, some dialouge should be in order). True enough that Force Peruade would have a great deal of potiental if being useable that often, After all, both Jedi and Sith alike often use this power to suit their purpose, so... but I think some might argue that if you could Force Persuade in all kinds of situations, the game'd be too easy...

Heh.. Well, easy to say, harder to do. Even if you manipulate more than one, it might still go wrong somewhere. Remember that KOTOR 2 isn't like KOTOR 1. If you manipulate one or more people in your crew, the lightsiders of the crew, like Krea, might object to it all and a fight may break out . Not an entirely unlikely scenario considering that it has been said that there will be more confrontations and such when the people in the crew have different options on what should be done, like the confrontation just before the Star Forge.

There's a few characters I'd like to see returning, but of all of them, Canderous sounds like the most likely one, particulary becuase that he doesn't die in any of the branches of the game. It'd be interesting how he has changed since the first game... As for the others, I'm not expecting too much and it'll all really depend on what path you choose the game to take in the beginning...

Meaning that you want us to be able to know things about the other characters of the game through Force Persuadion? Like, you have a conversation with Mira about her past and then you have the option of either ask her the normal way about it, persuade her into telling it (which she might do kinda unwillingy) or Force Persuade her to do it, meaning that she won't mind because that the Force Persuade makes her think it's her own idea to tell it, instead of as in the case of the mere persuade option think of it as as a "Ok, ok if you insist!" thing...? Why? We all know that a Jedi isn't immune to others using the Force on him/her just because that he/she is a Jedi. This may be especially true to a character that is your apparentice (thus trusting a lot on you) or is simply a Jedi or someone far from as experienced in the ways of the Force as you are. A Jedi knows ways of resisting or defend him/herself against such use of the Force in such ways on him/her, so I do think it should be more difficult to convince a Jedi this way and nothing you'd want to rely too much on. Quite right; it's important that the game will provide other solutions than plain combat and for that and other purposes, I'd gladly see more general use of the force persuade option.

Oh, I wouldn't know... Your other party members might notice that something's amiss somewhere and should you somehow overstep your limits (in terms of your powers of persuadion) or do something in front of your other party members who notices that soemthing's DEFINTIVELY amiss, then all hell may break lose and in a best case scenario you'll jsut have to start all over or wait until yours kills are better ;p Indeed. After all, can't expect all people to possess a silver tounge :D

Hmm, point taken but... Palpatine was a master manipulator and it seems like he had to work very carefully for years for his mind control to bear fruit . and also, we're not going to play the game as Palpatine, so we may lack his talent <_<.

Not quite . Ok, it'd do but it's be more fun if the Sith Lord class meant some extra dialouge options that couldn't be accesed by other chacter classes or a high persuade skill . Heh! One would assume so, but I'd also assume that there's limits for what mind control could do in the long run Hmm, never discovered that you could Force Persaude Mission to not care abotu her brother anymore... The Zaalbar one is a well-known one, through, but Zaalbar doesn't become much corrupted by that, nor does he become corrupted by taking his brother's side in the feud on his home planet... Hopefully we'll be able to see soem real changes in your party member's alignament depending on your choices or what you talk them into choosing on their own quests. And, yes, I also think some characters will be good/bad no matter what. Take Krea or whatever her anme was. She sounds like the "Jedi Master" type of this game and she is also old, meaning that she knows better than most how to protect herself from the Dark Side - and she also knows what horros the Dark Side brings on others and the one who wields it, so she's probably going to be one of those who will stay good until the end. I just hope not too many characters in the game will be like that :/.

Of the new stuff that will be in KOTOR 2, this about being able to corrupt your fellow party members is probably what has gotten me most interested so far! . Especially since this is something that so seldom appears... Sure, Baldur's Gate and a few others I know of have had alignament changes within your party, but it wasn't something you could at will or through careful manipulation. Rather it was mostly story-driven alignament-changes... But I wonder exactly how it'll be done? Only through normal dialouge and such based on what choices you make and/or how much admiration that character in particular you're trying to corrupt has for you at the point where you try to corrupt him/her? Besides.. I also heard that you'll only be able to corrupt or, in case that you're a lightsider, change the alignament of a character for the better, in the case of the neutral members of the party? If so, that's kind of a pity :/. Not that I can't understand why Obsidan would, for now, choose to limit it to neutral characters only... but in my opinion, it's going to be a little less fun if we can't convince any of the "goodys" that being evil can be fun too ;D. And the same goes for the reverse; why leave out the classic "come back to the light side" stuff as well? Also, I wonder about one of the new character classes, the Sith Lord... It's said about this class, as quoted from the GameBanshee unoffical KOTOR 2, "Sith Lord: Mastery of corrupting the wills of others.". I wonder if this is somewhow connected to the corrupting of other party members or other people you'll meet in your journeys, like givng more dialouge options and such availabe to the Sith Lord only? Or will it simply be "just another class", just giving bonuses so some skill and such and that'll be the only function of the class in the game? :/

Mira doesn't look bad in the pic, but how are we to know if that pic is any real improvement? It might as well be an "old" pic... That pic if from the new Gamespot article regarding E3, right? If so, that might as well mean that the pic was taken out of the E3-demo and thus there haven't been any improvement since we last saw it. I could be wrong, through since the E3 movie that have been put out as a preview for us doesn't show Mira in dialouge-mode...

I don't think so... The idea of creating romances in games came first from Japan, I'm certain, but not from Final Fantasy.

Doesn't sound too bad, but then each fraction would IMHO need strong characers and believeable purposes for what they're doing ;p

I like romances in games, but I prefer them to be as well-done as possible. BG is one of the best examples while most other romances I've encountered in games so far have been a little... bleak. But I think that for the most part, the romance thing isn't treated too seriously by the devs and thus they seldom come out too well, which is truly a pity :/.