Junai

Don't worry, it probably will. I can just see the president speaking with the first lady in the living room; "Jeez baby, these morons desperately need a hero.." J.

If they spent 0.3 trill on CA instead of Afghanistan, every citizen, legal or illegal alien - mex, chinese or caucasian - could drive a Porsche, live in Malibu, go to the Spa and eat out in Hollywood 3 times a day, and have free healthcare. J.

I'm sure we do. In Norway people exploit the system, but we're currently blind to it b/c of the oil-reserve buffer. I guess a public system calls for honest policyholders and doctors, and a private system for honest and decent brokers. I hope you all find a good balance over there. Something that curbs the excessive corp. greed, but at the same time doesn't give you a 10% tax hike. And good luck with that stomach. Ouch.. The socialists took home another victory in the Norwegian election yesterday. Let's hope they get something done this time. They drink coffee and talk sh*t all day long.. Re: Rosbjerg.; I don't know Wendell Potter's story actually. I just frequent Moyers' site because of his spirited yet unconfrontational style. J.

The industry spends $ 1.4M a day on lobbying in the current fight against a public option. Have you seen Bill Moyers interview with Wendell Potter? You won't be disappointed. He's one of the high-ups. Repentance, inside-stuff straight from the horse's mouth. http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/07312009/watch.html J.

It's immoral to make a profit off illness and people's fear of death, preying on the sick and downtrodden. J.

I'm not a commie just because I feel uncomfortable when mass-murder is rewarded with medals of meritious service. Also, if it makes you feel any better, I didn't feel particularily comfortable when Megrahi was welcomed as a hero either. the dead don't care J.

The Navy awarded medals for meritorious service to two of the top officers who were serving on the Vincennes at the time the cruiser shot down the Iranian A300 airliner over the Persian Gulf with 290 people aboard. They were welcomed as heroes. Now Al-Megrahi returns, and is welcomed as a hero. The winds of karma exact perfect justice, not kangaroo courts. J.

Initially, those two norskinincompoops fsc*ed up, running around in the jungle playing Rambo. If the Congolese weren't such corrupt halfwits they could've kept the moral highground in this case and used the media to deter other western paramilitary yahoo-wannabes from doing monkey-business in their country. Now they're the laughingstock instead. It's a bit sad actually. French (which is a fake name) is from my hometown. I have no idea what those cooks are doing down there. No norwegian does. Most people up here just shake their heads and snicker at the whole thing. J.

Uhm.. Stumbled over it in Aftenposten.no. According to the Grazia they wanted to double it. But who knows. DailyMail operates with 30 to 50p. In Norway the right-wing Christian party came down with furious anger on da booz during their last period. It's a Christian conspiracy, I swear it.. J.

You can always go for Cameron who campaigns for a 100% increase in alcohol-taxes.. J.

If my sarcastic remarks dampened your inclination towards considering alternative views in this case, I'm truly sorry. However, if you never desired to listen to anything but the mainstream media to begin with, I'd say you need another dipperful of my poison. J.

Forum-posting will always be cat-kicking.. With 3666 posts I'm sure you know that. However, righting wrongs, whatever they are, starts by spreading information, going door to door. Obviously I'm not convincing enough, but I do hope you'll take the time to listen to R. Gage and observe the activities of the A&Es for 9/11 Truth- movement one day. They're not giving up, and the fight very much exists. J.

Exactly. What is the first step? Take a thorough look at the car. Brake lines were cut? I'm bothered, true, but not enough to become a police investigator. However, you don't have to be a police investigator to point out obvious flaws and lies in official stories. An attentive mind is often quite enough. The greatest force in this case isn't the NIST investigation, or the BBC, but the ordinary average citizen asking questions. Simple, ordinary, questions. "Sir, they found bone-fragments on top of the Deutsche Bank building, 200 of them smaller than an inch, belonging to one single person. How can a 9/11 building collapse cause such massive body-pulverization?" It's priceless to watch government officials sweat and squirm when faced with simple questions like these. To see how they change their offical explanations year after year as simple people stand up and say; "Sir! Hey! These 10 9/11 terrorists are actually alive and well. Look! That's the guy you singled out as a suicide bomber!" Priceless. What bothers me is that there are so few people asking, despite the massive body of evidence. J.

Just keep an eye on your "reputable" WP.. WJ.

I don't know how to get through to you Wals. First of all, the American Society of Sivil Engineers, FEMA, the Silverstein/Weidlinger group and NIST spent 8 years and close to $30M twisting their brains trying to figure out how in the nine hells it all happened, and you refer to it as simple engineering. I don't know what college you graduated from, but if I was your student-counselor I'd be worried. As I've said before, I have no idea. I just know a lie when I see one.. (or should I say 50). There is too much bs here to just look the other way. Also, Norway has taken casualties in Afghanistan, so it matters to me. I guess it's just my nature. I'm never satisfied, and I don't trust people blindly. It has its advantages and disadvantages. J.

Let's see, you accuse me of being a conspiracy theorist b/c I listen to cookie professors from Berkely and architecs with 6-figure salaries, but you refer to your own credentials as a naval salvage engineer in order to silence my arguments. Lovely. Ok mr. engineer, here's a little clip from the official NIST report; Other than initiating the fires in WTC 7, the damage from the debris from WTC 1 had little effect on initiating the collapse of WTC 7. The building withstood debris impact damage that resulted in seven exterior columns being severed and subsequently withstood fires involving typical office combustibles on several floors for almost seven hours. (p. 39) They blame the collapse on fire later on. In modern history, no steel building has ever collapsed at near free fall speed into its own footprint b/c of fire, actually, no steel building has ever collapsed from office fire temperatures at all. Please take a look at the professional investigation of the A&Es for 9/11 Truth that I gave you a link to before. You won't be disappointed. J.

If your friend can explain why the 47 story steel WTC7 build. collapsed in 6,5 sec w/o ever having been hit by an airplane or explosives, he can get rich real fast. You see, NIST is looking for people who can explain that, since they can't seem to get a handle on it themselves. I guess we're just gonna have to agree to disagree. WJ.

Please, don't rely on your friend's opinion about the counter evidence. Don't listen to my opinion about the counter evidence. Look at the counter evidence yourself. The real stuff, not a 2 min flick on youtube etc. And as for press behaviour, well we've been through that? BBC was just incredibly incompetent and all? Three years ago, a young canadian boy told me he thought 911 was an inside-job. I was in California. I laughed my ass off, and told him he was completely nuts. Today I can't even remember why refused to listen to him. As for my take on the counter-counter-evidence, i.e. the official story, well, I believed it for 5-6 yrs. Good enough? You DO know that BBC has found several of the alleged hijackers alive, don't you? Well, they're suddenly unsure about their identities now.. How about that. What about Osama. You think he's still out there? If they were really brilliant, they would've kept him, and produced him now when the counter-evidence movements grows stronger. If they're that smart, they actually deserve to get away with it. Wacko Junai.

How can you know they're wrong if you've never ever listened to what they have to say? There are Reagan Republicans with PhDs in architecture and construction engineering who have given hour-long presentations, providing rock solid proof that enormous amounts of Thermite and explosives have been used. You think I'll take your ignorant word over theirs? You don't think I'd listen to a prof. from Berkely rather than some kid from a games-board who refuses to listen to the truth. You really believe that?! I've played enough games with you Walsingham. People like you believe Bernanke is the greatest blessing since Moses, and that waterboarding is a sex-game. You can't be reasoned with. It is, however, very funny to watch you flare up when you're confronted with something you can't deal with.. J.

Well, it's pretty obvious that explosives were used. Beyond that.. ? If I start guessing, I'm a conspiracy theorist. Give this one a chance, I don't think they would mind. On the contrary, it's in low-res on their website. I need to take a break from this thread before I develop an ulcer.. lol. Thanks for a nice discussion. J.

Have I singled out a perpetrator anywhere? Is it insane to look at evidence which doesn't support a story? Are all crime-scene investigators and those listen to them crazy conspiracy-theorists? It's the most classic debunking-techique, calling someone a conspiracy-theorist just because they have an alternative non-mainstream view. It's like the jews screaming anti-semite just because you criticize the politics of Israel. What I've been saying all along - which is directly related to the topic - is; we've been manipulated to believe something which is not the case reg. 9/11. Why do I believe this? Because of the overwhelming evidence reg. misconduct and manipulation under the four "independent" investigations. I get all of you over me, and you still haven't watched the 2 hr documentary I provided a link to earlier, a 2 hr talk by one of the most prominent architects in the US, a man who refers to professors from Berkely and other major academics in the US who have raised questions about the official story. If you won't even give it a chance, you just refuse to accept alternative views. Also, when it comes to the bereaved, well, it's mostly THEY who have demanded a new and fuller inquiry! Don't stand with your feet planted in this mainstream media-created defiance, snarling at invisible Al-Qaeda threats, imaginary weapons of mass destruction and naughty Pashtun tribes. You think some guy in a cave in Afghanistan could produce advanced Thermate and have NORAD stand down for hours while private airliners crash into NY-buildings? You REALLY believe that? Of course, if you want to believe the story and move on, fine. Be a sheep and become part of the problem. J.

That's a very common sense post. Unfortunately this means Junai will have to promptly ignore it. Speaking of widows; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jersey_Girls I'm tired of popping 15 yr old neocon pimples. Get informed or I won't reply to any more of this nonsense. J.

Ok, so this is how it works. If you can't even get OJ for killing his wife, or Clinton for humping Lewinski, you're never gonna get prominent rich families pinned down in court for killing 3k of their own citizens (or, something similar, involving prom. members of society or foreign trade-affiliates, or even terrorists with a link to the adminis. which proves admin. incompetence etc.) What you do after you realize you've been lied to, is that you start an organization and slowly start to put pressure on the government. The bigger the organization, the more often they'll listen to you. It's voters, after all. After a while, even mainstream-media can't ignore it anymore, or they'll look like sellouts, so they have to report on what's going on. Now, if you get a few good academics from solid universities to back you as well, you're making progress. A few nutters on YouTube will never succeed, but an org. with thousands of people and some financial backing might. The end goal isn't necessarily a trial, but a new investigation where large parts of the evidence is not swept under the rug, or where people quit the commission in protest because of official misconduct etc. like they did in the 4 previous "investigations", but a thorough and independent investigation which is believable. One lie can be spread through the mainstream propaganda-machine in seconds, but it takes decades to rectify things. Just because you refuse to swallow everything you see on tee-vee doesn't mean you're a conspiracy-theorist. Junai-gasbag rhetorics isn't representative with regards to the work the aforementioned org. does, it's simply a result of my own impatience with folks who are unwilling to look. J.

Between your lines I read; We have to trust what the establishment presents us with, since the only alternative - having to realize that there is actually such a thing as press mis-behaviour - is something I won't even contemplate! Well, contemplate this official statement then: "The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media " - William Colby, former Director of the CIA, from David McGowan's Derailing Democracy. G'nite. J.

I've just given you a link to the most thorough independent 911 investigation that's out there, and you haven't even bothered to click on the link before you debunk me. This is what is meant by media-manipulation. American children are so thoroughly brainwashed that they can't even see the truth when they're hit over the head with it. You guys are just sad.. really really sad. 12 jury members? 723 architects and engineers have signed this petition, calling upon congress for a thorough investigation; Please Take Notice That: On Behalf of the People of the United States of America, the undersigned Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth and affiliates hereby petition for, and demand, a truly independent investigation with subpoena power in order to uncover the full truth surrounding the events of 9/11/01 - specifically the collapses of the World Trade Center Towers and Building 7. We believe there is sufficient doubt about the official story and therefore the 9/11 investigation must be re-opened and must include a full inquiry into the possible use of explosives that might have been the actual cause of the destruction of the World Trade Center Twin Towers and Building 7. Sincerely, The Undersigned Is that good enough for you, kiddo? Or are you waiting for judge Judy to present it to you in a reality show? J.