Dark Moth

Your statement then reveals a very dismissive, misinformed, and I'm sorry to say, bigoted attitude toward the Christian right. Your argument might be a little more valid if right-wing Christians killing nurses and doctors was a consistant problem. But it's not, and it's not even doctors in general, but things like abortion clinics (which doesn't make it okay, but it's a big step down). Incidents like that are very few and far between. Those who do kill like that are an extremely small minority that are in no way representative of the Christian right as a whole, just as Islamic terrorists aren't fair representatives of the Islamic right. I don't have to separate myself from killers like that, because I and many others know that a Christian killing an abortion doctor is no representative of the Christian right. Also, 5th commandment. Maybe so, but if that person wants to fire me for saying something as trivial as "Merry Christmas", then there's something wrong. And if you don't believe there are double standards against Christians, check this out. This is only from last year!

Umm... These are people who kill doctors and nurses , sure they are going to accept another faith based national holiday without protest. It might not be the issue for you but it is the issue for a lot of people. Thats why they are secularising it. Once thats done, then there wont be a religion based national holiday anymore. Nice and all, except no one is violating your personal freedoms. If you work in a place where religious expression of the holiday is forbidden, thats not the same thing as someone violating your personal freedom. If you told a customer to **** off , then you would get fired. So the idea of free speech at work isnt a fact. There are all sorts of laws governing the public display of items and those are down to the government to make and the store owners to follow. If they say no angels or mangers , in public, thats not saying no angels and mangers period. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Now you're just stereotyping like a 12-year old. I have news for you: the Christian right doesn't kill doctors and nurses. Those who do are a handful of ultra-zealous lunatics who take their religion to far. I suggest you post more tactfully, otherwise people are just going to look at you as a bigot. How about I say all atheists are bigotted toward Christianity now? Most of the Christian right are good, normal people, it's the bad ones who get all the attention. The only different thing about the Christian right is they take their religion a little more seriously. And there is a difference between courtesy (aka not telling a customer to **** off) and simple expression of faith. Why should a person be offended by the display of a nativity seen? If they're offended, that's their problem. If the display was meant as a deliberate attack on atheism, they have every right to be offended, but that's not the case. The only thing people are doing by removing all public expression of religion is violating freedom of speech while masking it behind a semblance of inclusion and fairness.

Crap.

If you want your argument to be more valid, don't make generalizations. That'd be like me saying the entire left wouldn't stand for a public expression of Christmas. Maybe they would. But at the same time, Ramadan is a month-long thing ,and celebrated by a tiny minority. Population size is the only differing factor here. So many people, including non-Christians, celebrate Christmas it's just more convenient to make it a national holiday. But national holidays aren't the issue here, it's expression of a holiday. And now we're back to square one; it's fine and dandy they let us worship in private. Yay. Out of sight, out of mind, right? :D But when they attack us for expressing it publicly, then they are violating our personal freedoms. And I'm not talking about the expression of religion in governmental institutions, but public places like stores, schools, etc.

Another fact for ye: when Vin Diesel does push-ups, his body never moves, but the entire earth moves up and down from the exertion.

How do you know that? Now you're just making a broad generalization of those offended by the removal of "Christmas". I sure wouldn't feel offended. Although we are a predominantly Christian nation, so naturally you'll find more expression of Christmas than Hannukah.

I don't have a picture of myself. I'm invisible!

Again, attacking it in stores and public buildings is attacking public expression of it. If you prohibit a teacher from wishing students "Merry Christmas" in school, then you are attacking public expression of it. It goes against our very constitution. If people are offended with Christians expressing their faith, then feel free to express the celebration of your holiday, but don't restrict us from expressing it, dang it. If you're Jewish, feel free to hang a "Happy Hanukkah" sign in your business, but don't try to get the expression of Christmas removed. Fahrenheit 451 dealt with the notion of censorship like this. In the book, so many people were offended by differing viewpoints that they just banned expression of ideas altogether so everyone would live in a nice, happy, repressive society.

Islam recognizes all the prophets and their birthplaces and as the above have said, has its roots in Judaism and Christianity. However, Islam also teaches the notion that all the prophets were inheritently Muslim, not Jewish.

It doesn't matter. I should be allowed to express my faith publicly if I want to. It's hypocritical to claim you don't have any problem with a faith, yet restrict any free expression of it. Prohibiting someone to express religion publicly goes against freedom of speech and religion, and I will never stand for it.

"king"? I believe you mean kin. For those of you in America, you're misinformed though if you think there's no war on "Christmas" whatsoever. For example: at a town's Christmas parade they invited lots of different organizations to participate except Christian ones. In my own hometown even, a school forbid its teachers and students to display red or green during the season. They were allowed to display blue and white only. They weren't allowed to call it a Christmas season, but a "winter celebration." But here's the kicker: earlier that month, they allowed a Jewish woman to come in and explain Hanukkah to the children and even pass out dradles. Or how about stores forbidden to display the word Christmas, or teachers being forbidden to utter the phrase "Merry Christmas"? You don't think that sounds a bit harsh? For starters, people want to take the "Christ" part out of the season in hopes of not offending people. But what left does't realize is that they're offending those who still icorporate the religious part into the holiday as well. Not to mention that more than just Christians celebrate Christmas anyway. And for the record, I'm not offended by someone saying "Happy Holidays" instead of "Merry Christmas". But when I see double standards or an imposed censorship on the word "Christmas", that's when I'm offended.

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It kind of reminds me of myself...

LOL More crap. How can she be a virgin when she was pregnant? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Hence, the leap of faith.

Stop picking on me! :'(

Play nice, children. *+1 nanny points.*

NEVAR!!!!!!!!!!

I seriously doubt it. If anything, religion seems to be still going strong everywhere, in one form or another.

Or maybe people stopped misinterpreting it, thank you. If you're referring to the Crusades, witch burnings, the Inquisition, repression of women, etc., then none of that stuff is what Christianity condones.

Bah. Gaia let Zeus and the Gods take over. She isn't so great. <_<

Yup, Christianity is evil. Look, here's my proof.

See, now we have another quagmire. How do you know you're right? How do you know you're God exists, or that it's even a she? What evidence do you have of it's existance? It's more faith on your part, just as it is on mine. And I of course will politely insist that you don't believe in God and I do, because my God exists. And my God can beat up your God.

I believe God want's us to learn to take care of ourselves, but at the same time I don't think he has a problem with us asking him for guidance. He encourages it, in fact. I think God wants us to remember him and glorify him of course. Would you be a little sad if you created a world and nobody there respected or remembered you? But at the same time, I think God wants us to learn ourselves, to understand things, and to be able to better ourselves and the world around us.