Volourn

"I agree with this statement." WOO HOO! (w00t)

Diamond, EA is not the smae story everywhere and not every EA employee hates working there. It's ridioculous to think others. Mnay devlopers would disgaree with you about creating games is not as fun as playing them. That is silly talk.

Ok. Like I said above, if Bioware crashes and burns I'm blaming Interplay. I guess no one on these boards believe in perosnal or in this case individual corporation responsibilty. Sad really. P.S. remember, the bottom line that the finald ecision involving BIo comes from the BIo bigwigs. Theyd ecided to sign with Interplay, theyd ecided to accept the offer to create BG, theyd ecided to leave Interplay, theyd ecided to work with Atari to finish NWN, they decided to develop KOTOR, theyd ecided to pass on KOTOR and NWN2 to concentrate on their own IPs. If JE bombs becuase it's not some big license like D&D or SW then it's BIO's resposnibilty for passing on sure fire hits like KOTOR and NWN2 for a chance on an unknown license. 100% their responsibilty. edit: Ellester want sto give cr4dit to Interplay; but won't give any to Atari who without BIO would have invested a lot of time, money, and effort for nothing. Talk about sideways wrongness there.

That was Interplay/BIS who tried to make BG3 and failed.

I"t's not that at all. The patch has been considered packaged and ready to go several times by us. But so far every time something happens and we are forced to redo one aspect of it or change something. The honest truth is that for the past few weeks it has been "yeah, it'll be this Monday" for us as well. Silence does not equal distain." Yet, people had the gall to say I was wrong. I told them that LA wasn't just playing tiddlywinks with the patch. It should have been obvious to everyone the reasonw hy the patch isn't finished is simply because problems with the patch was found and was sent back to Obsidian for more fine tuning. Duh. I win as per usual. "Developers make the game and its the Publisher's job to support it. If KotOR 2 isn't properly supported I blame LA, not Obsidian. " False. It's both their jobs to support it. And, theya re. Afterall, if it was just LA's job than why is Obsidian the one doing the patch work, hmm?

"That is why it's frustrating - who on earth else is out there with the qualifications to produce a BG3 that has any real chance of living up to audience expectations?" BIO's only work prior work was SS yet they were able to impress Interplay enough with their RTS engine to get asked to make BG. Ther eis no doubt that that there is another Bioware ready to be found.

NWN, and Arcanum.

"Why not admit that J. E. is right about this and you're wrong?" Yeah. Heaven forbid I give credit to BIO for their success. How wrong of me. "Is it me or is Volourn arguing with someone who actually has past experience with the ins and outs of the actual business and who would better know just how much "responsibility" the various different pieces of the puzzle should bear?" Huh? What are you saying? Once again, I'm not disputing the fact that Interplay shares responsibilty for BG. I have not denied that. We're discussing who's responsible for Bioware. But, hey, if Bioware closes down next year; I'll be sure to blame Interplay 'cause it'll obvious be their fault if Bioware screws up.

Ok. Without Interplay there would be no Bioware. Bioware betrayed Inetrplay when they left them. Bioware shall bow down to Interplay since Interplay is responisble for Bio's success and Interplay is also responsible for Jade Empire's combat not being to your liking. LONG LIVE INTERPLAY!

I know. I wa sjust amazed I figured out what he was writing about so I had to share. (w00t)

From the description of the problem; he's on Telos...

"Without the initial license use the Infinity engine would have been used in a RTS." And? That means nothing. I don't live altenrate relaities; I live this one. Afterall, I already gave Interplay credit for their part in BG. That, along with BG2, is all they deserve.

"Interplay did give them the DnD license which they didn't have." Huh? When? Bio NEVER had the D&D license. Interplay allowed them to USE the licesne as did Atari; but Bioware never had it. Why do you think BIo is not even allowed to use characters from the BG series?

"Volo's just jealous that an Englishman beat him to his own "Kanadian" game." Um. No. I don't even own an x-box. SP was already destined to own/play JE before me...

"who I have always seen as the second most reasonable person from RPG Codex" Who's the most reasonable? Me? Anyways, why do this? Don't let some oevrreaction make you do this. Just be yourself. Besides, if you didn't oevrreact and I wasn't suck a dumb jerkwad these baords would be even more boring then they already are!

"how is Interplay not partially responsible for the success of the game?" You better reread what I wrote. I gave Interplay credit for their part in BG. I didn't give them credit for Bioware's success as a company. There's a huge difference there. "Sure, they published it. And, they deserve credit for it." Ihe above quote is mine from this very thread. I gace Interplay/BIS credit for their part in the BG series. Afterall, as the publisher they were part of the team that made it. However, that still doens't change the fact that Bioware is 100% responsible for what happens to Bioware. If Bioware crashes and burns tomorrow are we all gonna sit here blaming Interplay because they played some obscure part in Bioware's history? I sure hop not. Or should we blame Bioware for Interplay's collapse because BIO "took" NWN from them? People - and companies - are 100% responsible for themselves. there are exemptions to this rule; but they are only exemptions. One exception would be if someone, say, STOLE money from ssaid company's bank account. but, like I said, an exemption does not disprove a rule; it proves it. So, anymore accusing me of posting something I didn't? Interplay deserves credit for their part in making BG. That's it; that's all. I never denied that so why say I did? "You can't really reduce every contribution down to "well duh, that's their job." You could say it was just BioWare's job to code the engine, but that's pretty silly, too." Why did Interplay get BIo to make BG? Why was BIo so special? Why didn't Interplay get their role-playing division aka BIS to make it? Why not the tens of other game dveloeprs who'd have jumped at the chance to make a D&D game? It's obvious why - Interplay ssaw soemthing - likely the demo of the engine - that made them (specifically Feargus if I recall) who said to BIO,"Make a D&D game with that!"). It wasn't fluke or luck that got BIO the contract to make BG; they earned it. Interplay didn't give them anything. Simple as that.

Ok.

"It's going to be fun," I'd hope you say. The last thing i'd want is for someone to say the following:"My mod is going to be the most unfun mod ever." For some reason; other than in a joking manner; that mod would not get very far. LOL "Volourn, I may have future questions (this is my first time with the NWN editor," No problem; just keep in mind though that I'm no expert. However, I'm pretty good at everything but scripting where I'm barely meidcore. I actually use the Script Editor tm. for that. Lilac Souls' to be exact. Anyways, if you want more help; might be best to start another thread in RPG General discussion and/or pm me so we don't get accused of spamming. LOL

"What if a car ran you over, you lost the use of your legs and you then became a bum. Would it be 100% your responsibility that your a bum?" Yes. Afterall, in my country, people who cna't work for medical reasons arew covered. That's why taxes are high so yeah if I became a bum because of that it would be my fault. Duh. " What if someone felt pity for the bearded lady named Ted and gave it a million dollars. Would you be 100% responsible for being a millionaire?" Yes. There must have been some reason she gave the money to me. Afterall, I'm sure there are other bums out there she coulda gave the money to; so why me? i'm nuttin' special. At worse, it's the exception to the rule. *shakes head*. "Why am I envisioning a bowling ball being thrown at a concrete wall right now?" Works both ways.

Outer Limits.

"Are you ever going to release it to the general masses? I'd like to give it a try." When I'm done. Heh. Writing dialogue really anooys me though even though I like writing. It cna be so tedious, and that's like 80% of what's left. Areas are done, characters are done. It's just finishing dial,ogue, adding henchmen, and editing various spells (espicially summons which are getting a huge overhaul), and of course play tetsing. Of course, my play testers suck. I've had like 5-6 of them who offered; but only 2 have put some effort into it (not that I blame the others as play tetsing cna be annoying, lol). Anyways, it's off topic...

I disagree; but ah well.

http://jade.bioware.com/gallery/jadeempire_primaguide.html 'Nother video. Music, and graphics are awesome! :cool:

"Well technically, it IS partially their fault, since their job is to teach their students to improve those students' chances at success later on in life." No. Their job is to teach. My job was to learn. If they re playing tiddlywinsk then they would have failed. If I didn't elarn that I would have failed. They are responsible for themselves; I am 100% responsible for me. You can force someone to sit in a classroom ('til a certain age); but you can't force them to actually learn. If I'm a bum it's 100% my responsibility; if I'm a millionare it's 100% my responsibilty. (unless I was born into it)

"Volourn must have drove his teachers insane. " Visit the enarest Cuckoo House; youa r ebound to see some of my former teahcers as permenant residents! MUAHAHA! Then again, it serves them right as it must be their responsibilty that i'm a bum now! MUAHAHAHAHAA!