Volourn

No. Don't order me around.

"FFVIII was made for the PS so if JE is comparable to that something is seriously wrong with it." FF8 has likely the best graphics I have ever seen or close to it. I don't care if it';s just a lowly PS game. It looks awesome. Period. A game comapred to it graphically is a compliment.

"Without getting much into the rumours of Obsidians third creation. I and many others find the signs of a trend of developers giving up the traditional PC market for console exclusive games, worrying. Now what are the reasons for this? We know that BioWare's "Jade Empire" was a result of their deal with Microsoft, but what other reasons are there?" It's funny you bring up BIO's x-box exlusive yet totally ignoe the fact they have a PC exclusive coming up as well. And, you totally ignore the fact that Obsidian's NWN2 is PC exclusive. Neither Obsidian or Bioware are giving up traditional PC market so why are you making up untrue facts to prove an untrue point? It's sad really when people have a theory and ignore any facts that disprove said theory.

"Wrong! Obsidians next game is a pc exclusive!" Midfield wins. I already like him which means he started off the wrong with everyone else. :D

"By this you, Volourn, automatically imply that, for example, Britney Spears is a better musician than Miles Davies or that Citizen Kane was a worse movie than Road Trip. Is this correct?" Read the thread in its entirety then return then maybe you'll know the answer to your question.

"And JE is going to look pretty mediocre when you place it up against those next gen titles (not a slight on JE just the truth)." Well.. You expect a lot from the Next gen consoles as JE's graphics are awesome. It crushes anything else I've seen on any current console. That's for sure. Except maybe FF8.

"but for a hack'n slash game it does have a decent plot" That's true. I've always said that about IWD. "BG if you view it as the epic it wants to be." Um.. All i gotta say is that there are very few 'epic games' that can come even close to the epicness of BG. Very few.. if any. "I just loved the atmosphere in TOTL and the haunted castle setting. Very moody and atmospheric indeed." Eh. So did I... for the whole 2 hours I played it. I'll take the 30 or so hours of Tb with great atmposhere, varied combat, heavy story advancement and role-playing than a one dimsensional mod of a castle. Just saying. "Yes, Bioware is mostly responsible for their success, but not alone. Interplay/BIS contributed to Bio's success, you'll have to admit that. That was the point I was trying to get across." Nope, I don't. BIo is 100% responsible for what it does. Interplay/BIS contributed to its own success and failures. "Dialogue. The dialogue in IWD is better." No; but we'll just have to disagree on this.

No. And, she wasn't weak. No weaker than the males in the group.

"Thanks to Gaider Hordes of the Underdark sucks. I hope that Obsidian will avoid this sexist looser (for those who don't know: this guy screwed Bastila's character which was so nicely designed by Drew Karpyshyn)." LON (Ladies of Neverwinter) doens't think so. And, how cna he ruin Aribeth when it's his character? And, he didn't ruin Bastila either. Now, if you want to whine about how horrible Gaider is, at least pick on him for the silly kobold retard. "After finale I felt depressed." Good. Then, as a writer, he did his job. He made you feel emotion. That's the kind of thing all writers want their audience to feel - emotion.

"I too loved IWD/ HOW/ TotLM." Good games ; but I was dissapointed in HOW though.

"Ah , the age old battle between the complex and the obvious." Haha. I knew that left an opening!

"No, because it says 'Xbox' and not 'PC', so I can't play it." LOL Talk about sour grapes. "Is it really exclusively for the Xbox" It's really exlusive. While BIO hasn't completely ruled out a PC port; there ar eno plans at this time to do so. And, if it does, I fiugue we won't be seeing the port 'til 2006 or 2007 when JE2 (if JE does well enough) is well into the design state... "I'm trying to make up my mind whether or not to buy the collector pack since hitting people over the head with a shovel should provide much hilarity" meh. I'll take dual hams anyday before a shovel. :D

"it's not my full "IWD is great"-speech. Just a summary." O.o. "gain I have to counter that if IWD wasn't story driven, then BG1 wasn't either. The quality of the plots to both games was IMO on the same level" Not discussing quality here. I'm talking about what drives the game. In BG; it's finding out who's trying to kill you and learning about your past. In IWD, the story is just an exuse to get the player to the next dunegon. I'll put this to better to illustrate this: IWD is combat driven while the OC is story driven; HOWEVER it is very arguable that IWD has the better quality story (since there's a lot less logic gaps and its much tighter); but there's a difference in what the two games focused on. It doesn't matter how much a game has combat; but why the combat is there. "I still consider "Trials of the Luremaster" to be the best IE expansion." It was ok. Nothing special for its 2 hours length. My fave - and I'll know I'll get flak for it - but, I'll say TOB is. "Just because a company still exists doesn't mean they're making the better games." Wasn't addressing quality here really; but someone's assertion that somehow my opinion that Bg is better than IWD is somehow a minority opinion is just plain foolish. It's obvious that Bg is more liked than IWD which I'd wager means that more people think BG is better. This is as close to being factual without having any actual hard numbers as you can have. "Also you have to admit that Bioware wouldn't be standing where they are now if it wouldn't have been for Interplay/BIS picking up their "Battleground Infinity" game." BIO is ehre for one reaosn only - they deliver what people want. That is the only reason why Interplay "picked up" BIO. You seem to forget that before the NWN fiasco; Interplay had published EVERY BIO game. And, I think it says volume that when Interplay looked to finally use their D&D license again they got BIo to work on it instead of putting BIS on it. Again, don't give credit to Interplay/BIS for BIo's success. BIO is 100% responsible for their success and will be responsible 100% for any failures. "but personally I prefer the BIS games for several reasons" I favour BIO (lol, too obvious) pverall; but the Fo series will always help make it kinda close. Those are the only BIS games that even challenge BIO's Triad. IWD, while good, and PST while having a good story and characters just don't match up. To each their own. Of course, I love BIS too so me lking BIo more is not an insult towards them. "Definitely. I wholeheartedly agree." I don't. The IE art is virtually equal in my book.

Gothic 2's controls are horrid. Worst controls ever. Ever. I'll probably rent BT for PS2 since the demo doens't even work.

Sermon: "BG might be better

Any cover with a beautiful Asian gal front and center on it gets a thumbs up from me.

Meh. The net is evil. Between teams breaking up, being accused of being evil, and all that; it's just not worth it dealing with the Netters other than toying with them in threads like these.

"There was one tactic, remove protections and beat down, repeat for every mage and dragon battle in BG." Huh? Not true, and I know this for a fact. I NEVER used remove protection type spells in the Bgs eries except just to try soemthing different. It surely wasn't my usual tatic. My normal tatic for liches and the like was buffs, summons, and just plainly overpower 'em with my meleeers and super spells. Debuffing spells are for wussies. "This was my one pet peeve about BG2, the repetitiveness of battles involving magic and/or dragons." Any complaints about repetitive battles in BG2 is 100x more worthy of being pointed IWD's way. Outside of a few battles, I used the same tatics in IWD throughout.

"Hey, if you're looking to be part of a NWN2 mod team, we're open to applications!" No. No more teams, guilds, what have you through the 'net for me. I don't trust Netters at all anymore. "Rape module? What the heck, guys?" Says the one who had certain plans for Sims 2 mods...

"Now did I name names or say you were the one Volourn" LOL It's just easier to assume when someone speaks negatively about someone on the net it's probaly in reference to me. It's just reflex to think that. :D "I don't even remember his screenname anymore to tell the truth" Same here.

"The combat isnt as good as IWD." You are right. It's better. More challenging, more varied, better enemies, more fun battles. BG is scary as it does what a good storyd riven game should do; and it beats IWD at its own game. All one has to do is fight even ONE of the npc based parties in BG, and see how much combat is sooooooooo much better in BG than in IWD. "Much of the richness of BG comes from the NPCs." True; but there's still the overall story in discovering out your character's origins as well as the poisoning of the mines which of course both seperate stories overlap. As for role-playing; there's a LOT of quality interacting with non party members as quests have way more ways to solve them than in IWD and that's even with BG even lacking role-playing options as compared to BG2, PST, NWN, or KOTOR series. In conclusion, there is NOTHING that IWD does better than BG. NOTHING.

"I'll QA for you, Magical Volo! You're awesome!" I've heard this before... "

"If someone attacks me I will attack back, especially if it is a Codexer who has no control over his own site." You attacked the Codex first in this thread. This joke of theirs wans't directed at anyone - it was in the spirit of April Fool's. Geez. "The same guys who were laughing over one poster here who claimed he was going to completely rewrite the game engine behind KotOR.. are now facing the same dilemma themselves. Lots of talk, nothing to show and internal group problems. How original." Aye, we failed. **** happens. "The fact I was really starting to dislike one of the other members didn't help." Eh. You always disliked me. "It's just when one member decided they wanted to make the mod have a rapist main character option... and several others agreed with it... and my protests were more or less shouted down... I decided it was time to go." All I said, was if handled right, it could be done maturely in the theme of FO. Sadly, this guy didn't seem to want to handle it maturely. I know others shut you down; but I didn't. I udnerstood the points you were making over that.

"Hmm somebody sounds green today..." That's great! Green's my favorite colour! (w00t)

"I didn't know you were still Arcanumized Volourn." LOL You remember that. :D Yes, I still like it though it's come down to Earth as there's a lot of small-biggish things thata re annoying. "Do you still play it often??" Nope; but I did start playing it a week ago and for some reason it seems more challenging than it used to be. Weird... "Did people manage to create mods for it??" I haven't played any; but yeah mods have been made including one with a car.. "Being in the presence of Elitist Gods is so humbling." GodS? There is only one of those around here, and that's me. RP, from what I've read the Arcanum mods are mostly drek. The only one I'm really even kinda interested in is the Car Arcanum one and maybe just maybe the hak that removes the level limit. otehrwise, it's total drek (only the IE community makes worse mods except for maybe MW modders). R00fles!