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I loved FO's combat, hwoever, for anyone to argue that it had no flaws is beyond silly. And, the long needless waits inbetween turns was one of them.

"Bloodlines is a better game than Jade Empire though" Believe it or not, I really want to agree with you on this. BL has some things that ar every, very good (writing, role-playing, and atmosphere); but its combat is beyond dreadful, the garbled endings which was nearly all that poor combat, and bugs/slowdowns up the wazoo drops it drown to being a good game. BL is a game that should have easily been in my top 10 if not my top 5; but BL screwed Bl so it's not. As for Arcanum, I like the game. In fact, I think I overrated it ebfore. I loved the game. Even the combat which people whine about, I actually like for the most part... but, it has its flaws too. TOEE has a great combat system. But, that's it. Otherwise, it's just whatever. Troika made games with potential that may or may not have been fun. But, theyw ere not top teir. Neither was their games 'Einsteinish' or 'too complicated' to understand. LOL :D

btw, The thread title is a lie! Gothic 3 is no longer gold! http://www.rpgdot.com/#50909

"using a stable and working ToEE engine." Does. not. exist. "FALLOUT's combat (and FALLOUT in general, anyway) was meant to be an as accurate as possible representation of the way PnP Combat is handled. Just as in PnP Combat the DM has to do rolls for every "enemy" after the players take their turn, the same happens in FALLOUT. Slow process or not, it too contributed to the game's great atmosphere." You obviously didn't read the thread. FO's combat is nowhere near remotely representative of how pnp combat is handled. The only thing in common is they are both turn based. I have NEVER seen any DM including the most anal ones who force the players to wait for an entire town to make a move. Never. It's real simple, and should be common sense. Someone not involved in said combat should not get a turn. Period.

Oh please. You make it sound like Troika were geniuses that were simply misunderstood. Their games were far from perfect nor were they as complex as people claim. No more complicated than the average RPG, imo. To comapre them to Einstein is laughably hilarious. And, Troika doesn't have a history of small bugs. Their bugs are often huge, and game breaking. I like Troka games overall (2 out of 3, anyways); but they are from being classics. They haven't come close to making FOs-BGs-MVP 2005s-Ultimas-NWNs. Those are the true classics of gaming. I will determine what I point out as a clasic or as comparable Einstein. No one will tell me what I think is a classic. Thanks. Game over.

"I have no idea what it is, but it looks brutal. I wanna hug it." Um.. It's a gargoyle. The screenshot says so. P.S. The troll looks horrid.

GO GIANTS GO!!!

"This forums is chockfull of blithering fanboys of top-down hack'n'slash adaptations of pnp to electronic format. Their idea of fun is to replay BG for the 21st time and they keep whining how there's no good games produced anymore, even though they play absolutely nothing else then their blatant fixation." Interestingly enough, this doesn't describe me AT ALL. YAHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!~!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

"I agree. Both were equally bad." Weird. Your next answer will either make you considered sneaky wordsmith or illogical (again). So... MW's dialogue/writing is as bad as NWN's... and, Oblivion's is much better? Hmm... Ok then. P.S. At least I gave examples of NWN's dialogue/writing being meaningful and worthwile. You have given none for either MW, or Oblivion. Coincidence? Hmm..

He stole Epiphany's job!!! Get him!!!

FO is a fun game!!!!

Damn. If you say so... I just have one question more... What's the fun in that?

Just having found with the facts.

One small dialogue in NWN OC had more meaning, and depth, and quality than anything found in any ES game. Mother with children who were murdered. That's all that is needed to know. Game over in this NWN vs. Oblivion Dialogue Wars tm. P.S. Heck, i'd wager justa dialogue by a whiney beggar in the city of NW over the plague had more emotion and depth to it than any dialogue found in Oblivion. LOLOLOLOLOLOLLIPOP

You claimed matter of factly that NWN didn't have a demo when in fact it did have a demo. The fact that the demo didn;t come out until after NWN was actually released dooes not change the fact, that in fact, NWN did have a demo? Do you factually understand these facts?

"NWN didn't have a demo." That's what you claimed. Your claim was proven wrong.

"The OC is better written than the NWN OCs that is for sure." Now, I know youa re making stuff up. This is Bethesda we're discussing. They don't know how to write dialogue. Their skill is in making large empty worlds where you can go everywhere; not meaningful dialogue. Heck, even the biggest fanboys of Bethesda don't usually defend ES games by defending the quality of dialogue. At least the wise ones don't.

That's not what you claimed though...

Eh. The ES series has had numerous chances to get me to enjoy their games. MW was actually the first one I bought (my brother had a collection of the earlier ES games ala DF). And, oh, I'm not disputing that Oblivion has improved graphicalluy from MW. From screenshots/videos, it surely doesn't look like 'poo poo' anymore. However, that doesn't change the fact that from a ll accounts it is still a huge soulless world, with .5 horses, a horrible 'dialogue' system, and so on so forth. Like I've said ebfore, I'll buy Oblvion when the price drops significantly (around $20 Kanadian); not before. That's the only amount of money I'm willing to risk on that franchise.

Handheld games are fine. Cell phones games are a NO! I want to actually see a screen. It's too bad BIO isn't making a game for the PSP as that would give me two reasons to buy a handheld machine - a BIO game + D&D Tatics. But, DS? Meh.

You can have unstoppable logic, and have an opinion you later deem to be 'wrong'. And, don't argue. My logic is unstoppable, afterall. :D

Which games had good or bad or ok graphics is a matter of your opinion. I found both NWN, and the PS2 console had graphics that matched up with any other game from their timeline. I don't care for either WOW or the Sims so i cna't comment. I'd take NWN's 'blocky' graphics over MW's poo poo graphics. I'd take PS2's graphics being the equal of the xbox any day of the week.

Eh. Tie Domi did have skill, and contributed much more than just fighting. He also played more than once, or twice a game. But, overall, I agree, fighting is dumb. It should be completely banned in hockey.

"They'll probably do it the Piranha Bytes' way: release a demo after the game has been released." Meh. They'd be doing it the same way it was done with NWN. "In Piranha Bytes case I can understand it (small team, not enough time), but for Obsidian..? It just feels so illogical to release the demo after the game. Isn't a demo supposed to make you interested in a not-yet-released game? Also, a demo is a good indication if your computer can handle the game in question." Nah. A demo is simply a way to see if you like a game before playing it. It shouldn't matter if the demo is released before or after the game is released. In fact, it's more intelligent if a company releases a demo after the actual game is released business wise.

"From what I understand however, BIS had quite a bit of say on the products whilst Bio was developing them that went into the BG series. I think they both worked together and worked together well on all the projects enough for me to have the opinion (there's that word again) that they worked more closely and in better unison than Atari and any company does." BIS was the publisher. They had as much say as all publishers do. btw, I'm not discrediting BIS for their role on the Bg series. They did a very good job as publisher, and should be reccommended for that. But, they didn't make BG series. "that they worked more closely and in better unison than Atari and any company does." Yet... BIO's combination with Atari in releasing NWN led to BIO's most successful game - NWN. "He's a good lad at times, sometimes his logic fails him." Lad? I'm no lad. And, my logic is unstoppable. P.S. Graphics are important. Anyone who thinks it isn't is fooling themselves. i used to think graphics meant nothing. I was wrong as well. Graphics aren't neccessarily the most important aspect of a agme ( think it isn't); but it does play an important role espicially in first impressions and we know what is said about first impressions.