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And? Anywyas, the toolset is okay; but that camera is REALLY annoying now. It spins out of control so it's ahrd for me at least (I';m no genius) taht it's ahrd to get it to stop exactly where I want so I can line up/view things properly. I finally got used to moving objects relatively easy. Finsihed my first map. A small walled in town which leaves me with some questions, thoughts, and junk. 1. How the heck do you orient the starting point of a module in the diretcion you want? What s illy question; but sadly I'm forced to ask it. 2. It's annoying that you are forced to manually make buildings/objects non walkable. L0LLERZ! 3. Walls need corner pieces. My walls don't look so gooas I had to double up some of them so there'd be no breaks in the walls. 4. I now realize that buildings come with premade doors. However, do doors resize when buildings do? In my practice mods earlier it didn't seem to do so. Back to my never c=going to complete modules for both NW games. R00fles! P.S. The BETA has really slowed the loading of the game. Instead of a couple of minutes max; it's more like 5 minutes. Doesn't seem to effect in game loads though; just loading the game from Windows. R00fles!

"I've been trying to think of a single quest in NWN that had many different possible solutions (3 or 4), and to the best of my recollection there isn't one" Then your recollection is poor. Try finding the dryad (part of ch1's main quest). Dealing with the wizard and dryad gives you at least 3 or 4 ways to complete your missing (a lock of the dryad's hair needed for the cure). I thought of thought with one second of this topic coming up, and I haven't played the OC in like 3 or so years. *shrug* Another one is the haunted castle. The trial is another (and, it can be wholly non combat as well). I'm sure the list can go on as well. BG2 has some multiple solution quests and it usually involves the bigger ones like Firkragg's and the Druid Grove. "Because Bioware doesn't make Boring, Linear, Ugly, Non Immersive, Easy, and Annoying games, right?" Actually, they don't. Neither does Obsidian.

Best place to get nfo are the DA boards. LOTs of info there.

HAHAHA!

"Btw, BG2 is still Bio's flagship." No. No, it isn't. That's NWN1 - the most successful BIO game ever.

Have you played the game? If you have, you would have no doubt that what I say is true. If youa re still going to pretend that NWN OC had no multiple solutions to quests; I'm just going to assume that either a) you didn't play it or b) you are lying.

"Skills in dialogue I can, perhaps fall for, but more solutions to quests than BG2? No way." Yes way. "No, I'm not." R U S?

"I choose to look at it like as a book and these are the characters in the story nothing more or less." Games aren't book. And, it doens't help that NWN2 OC's story is the worst part of the whole thing. And, the characters are the strongest but the fundamental choice part is taken away.

Not everyone likes BIO. Some laothe them because BIo raped their monnies and sisters. Others continually whine about them yet go out and buy their games pronto, and play them half a dozen times and still complain how 'crappy' they are. R00fles! "Also NWN OC didn't have multiple ways to solve quests." For a guy who played the OC a lot; you are making things up.

Yeah, probably because those in this thread saw the link and are now pushing it up in difiance!!!!

I should point out that though I also hated the forced npcs in both KOTORs as well as JE; it didn't annoy me as much as NWN2 does. I mean, the npcs joining in those games; it nearly felt natural for the most aprt 9some exemeptions) while in NWN2 it feels like Obsidian took a hammer and pounded the PC with this:"These NPCS are in your party. Deal with it!!!!". *shrugs* "FF12 and JE are console games and I am not taking them in consideration since we are discussing PC games." Huh? Whwn was the discussion limited in such a way? Lame. "NWN1 was horrid." You played it at least 3 times, and probably more! L0LLERZ

HOTU had more than two endings. In fact, it had quite a few. And, I do agree that the Desther thing was handled poorly as it gave the PC a chance to role-play that they knew (wisdom check and all); but no follow through untilt he story dictated it to be rveealed. Still, that alone makes it a better role-playing game than BG2 which pretty much never used character stats to detrmine what your character could or could not do. And, whyua re people bring Obsidian games into this discussion? It's irrelevant. NWN1 OC is better at role-playing than BG2 because of two main things... - more used of skills in dialogue - more multiple solutions to quests

"Let's get back to the discussion of NWN2 and less about each other" I'd love to. NWN2 is a good game; but unlike many game; the stuff it does wrong are *really* annoying ala forced npcs. It's so annoying, I cna't get into playing the OC for a second time. I just dread having Neeshka shoved down my throat for a second time. "it is best CRPG since BG2." Nah. Arcanum, FF12, JE, and a few otehrs are alld efinitely better. While NWN, KOTOR1, BL, and a bunch of other games challenge it as well.

" Take the influence mechanism introduced by Obsidian (K2/NWN2) for example. " Thyat's not an improvement. Espicially since influence has beena round for ages well before Obsiain coined it. Lame example. Sorry. Espicially since we were discussing improvement sin BIO games. Not BIS or Obsidian. P.S. Youa re wrong again Sand. NWN OC is an improvement by a mile over BG2. At minimum.

Not in terms of role-playing.

That was probably my fAVorite side quest in the whole game!

Disagree all you want. It's your right to be wrong from time to time.

Even without the DMC, and just counting the OC, NWN improved the role-playing. I prefer BG2's story and characters; but the OC's role-playing was actually better than BG2.

"They do tend to reuse story points and gameplay in their games however. If they have another trial by five judges thing again I am just going to scream." They aren't the only ones. P.S. Please tape your screams. I wanna hear it! "Role-playing improved from BG2 to NWN to KOTOR?" Yes.

The fanboys are just as bad if not worse than thospe criticizing the game. It's nearly imposisble to criticize the game at all unless you happen to be a regualr here or else the fanboys will be all over you flaiming you to kingdom kom that they turn around accuse the ones giving the criticism as 'evil'. Kelverin the Little Troll is the best example of this. He has added nothing to this thread but flame. The sad thing is Obsidian has been able to accept criticism of NWN2; but their fanboys cannot. NWN2, imo, is a good game. But, it's NOT a sin for others to disagree with that. Then again, some people like Cant, seem to think because I call the fnaboys out that must mean I prefer NWN1 over NWN2 which I have never said. In fact, I believe in my own thread, I said I slightly prefer NWN2's OC to NWN1's; but you see that simply isn't good enough for fanboys. They accept nothing less than 'NWN1 sucks, and NWN2 is bets game evar'! R00fles! LONG LIVE OBSIDIAN ! DOWN WITH OBSIDIAN FANBOYS!

I hope he bombs.

"But with Bioware's recent trackrecord in terms of substance, this very feature leaves many worried that Bioware will turn Mass Effect into a Halo with stats and adhd-responses for the graphicwh*re-generation." O Really? With BIO releasing their best written RPG last year in JE which is also their most recent game and the fact the role-playing has basically improved from game to game, I have nothing but expectations it will continue to improve.

"which I thought was implemented due to the console-controls" Console controls have nothing to do with BIO's choice of dialogue method in ME. Their other console RPGs ie. KOTOR and JE both use the traditional BIO method. Not to emntion, plenty of other console RPGs do as well. ME's dialogue is a design decision by BIO because of what they are aiming for with ME. ME, and DA while both RPGs (though ME is an Action RPG) have different aims. :crazy:

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