Volourn

"They do tend to reuse story points and gameplay in their games however. If they have another trial by five judges thing again I am just going to scream." They aren't the only ones. P.S. Please tape your screams. I wanna hear it! "Role-playing improved from BG2 to NWN to KOTOR?" Yes.

The fanboys are just as bad if not worse than thospe criticizing the game. It's nearly imposisble to criticize the game at all unless you happen to be a regualr here or else the fanboys will be all over you flaiming you to kingdom kom that they turn around accuse the ones giving the criticism as 'evil'. Kelverin the Little Troll is the best example of this. He has added nothing to this thread but flame. The sad thing is Obsidian has been able to accept criticism of NWN2; but their fanboys cannot. NWN2, imo, is a good game. But, it's NOT a sin for others to disagree with that. Then again, some people like Cant, seem to think because I call the fnaboys out that must mean I prefer NWN1 over NWN2 which I have never said. In fact, I believe in my own thread, I said I slightly prefer NWN2's OC to NWN1's; but you see that simply isn't good enough for fanboys. They accept nothing less than 'NWN1 sucks, and NWN2 is bets game evar'! R00fles! LONG LIVE OBSIDIAN ! DOWN WITH OBSIDIAN FANBOYS!

I hope he bombs.

"But with Bioware's recent trackrecord in terms of substance, this very feature leaves many worried that Bioware will turn Mass Effect into a Halo with stats and adhd-responses for the graphicwh*re-generation." O Really? With BIO releasing their best written RPG last year in JE which is also their most recent game and the fact the role-playing has basically improved from game to game, I have nothing but expectations it will continue to improve.

"which I thought was implemented due to the console-controls" Console controls have nothing to do with BIO's choice of dialogue method in ME. Their other console RPGs ie. KOTOR and JE both use the traditional BIO method. Not to emntion, plenty of other console RPGs do as well. ME's dialogue is a design decision by BIO because of what they are aiming for with ME. ME, and DA while both RPGs (though ME is an Action RPG) have different aims. :crazy:

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Kaftan: Nice snow job. :joy:

Chicago Bears QB sucked again. As did the Ginats. Something those two teams have in common how it seems though the Giants loss was a team loss. LOL I REALLY wish the Giants would fire THE WORST COACH EVER tm. He's only made one smart move as coach. I HATES him!

NWN2 is FAR from perfect imo; but even with me not ever playing Oblivion; NWN2 is 1 million times better than any game in that crap series. Game over.

"If all you really wanted to do was *argue*, not *persuade*, that NWN1 > NWN2, then I am done with you, and so will everyone else, shortly." Oh, come on. This is the second thread on this issue and Rift didn't even start it. Obviously, very few here are 'done with him'. Heck, Cant has evn gone so far as ordering ME which I game I prefer when I stated no such thing. And, no, Cant, you would NOT be a tester for me. "So while I understand what you are saying, I'm not entirely sure I see where I was so outrageous and off the wall." The problems comes when instead of discussing just his points, people including yourself land up discussing Rift himself. He's not important. His points are. I agree with some. I disagree with some. That's life. *shrug*

"Oh Volo, you know NWN will always be your #1 You've put too much time into it to have it not be." Maybe. Maybe not. Maybe 5 years from now, I've had played NWN2 just as much. I just don't know. "Speaking of which, how is the mod coming?" Oh SNAP! More seriously, slow.

"You prefer NWN." Really? Mayhaps you are posting out of turn there. Who said I 'prefer' NWN1 over NWN2? I surely didn't. At least not yet. I have yet to make that determination either way. But, hey, keep putting words into my posts that NEVER existed. It's your preogerative. :crazy: :crazy: :crazy:

"Lots of people? That's an exaggeration. It's probably about 1%." 99% of made up numbers are wrong.

"So far, I have had roughly as much freedom in NWN2 as I did in NWN1." Except, factually, that's not true. It's not even opinion here. You cna attack pretty much everyone in NWN1 OC. Outside of the main characters, nobody is untouchable. Heck, you can even attack Aribeth though she just ignores you (which is also a bad thing). You also have more freedom within each module and area. In NWN2 OC, you have a pretty much straight linear line to go. In NWN1 OC, you pretty much free reign to approach the area. It's not as boxed in. btw, This is a problem with the NWN2 OC; not NWN2 the total apckage as it'll be up to individual modders to deal with it the way hey wnat. I said it before, I'll sya it again. NWN1 does many things better than NWN2. NWN2 does many things better than NWN1. *shrug* Sadly, I wish the Obsidian fanboys would follow Obsidian's lead as Obsidian seems to have handled most of the legit criticism solidly. LONG LIVE NWN SERIES!!! :joy: :joy: :joy:

"Actually, Michael Moorcok experimented with non-linear fiction in the 60s I think. I've read some of it and it's incomprehensible mess. Masterfully written, but still a mess. So I agree with the notion that no one in their right mind wants an actual non-linear plot in a game." Books are not games.

People call Soul a troll yet it tends to be the people on the other side of this argument starting the name calling. Heck, he didn't even start this thread sequel. I agree with Soul on some of his points, and disagree on others; but quite frankly he's one of the most polite posters I've never seen on these boards. "Finally, the reason I really think you're not very bright, is because you keep declaring your opinion as unbiased truth, and also, that you seem to think that a bunch of angry people posting in a message board are the voice of the majority." Hypocrite... considering you wrote the following in your same message: "Because NWN1's OC was badly written, badly voice acted, and badly designed." So... whose posting their opinion as fact now? This is what i say to you Pidesco: Finally, the reason I really think you're not very bright, is because you keep declaring your opinion as unbiased truth, and also, that you seem to think that a bunch of angry people posting in a message board are the voice of the majority.

"That's because D&D is built to be a monty-haul (see the various loot tables in the DMG for proof); if you don't it gets unbalanced." It's not a D&D problem. Pretty much all CRPGs are monty haul. Wizardry, M&M, FO, you name it. "Actually, I disagree. I'm pretty sure I remember reading posts from the developers that stated the game(s) were created and then ported to the PC. I may be wrong, but I don't think so." KOTOR came out on console first; but it wasn't a port. It was designed with both in mind and at the same time. "Regardless of whether or not they were ported, the fact is that consoles don't have as much potential as PC's." That's not a fact. Sorry. It's a myth started by PC fanboys.

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"But would you be able to hire one on the spur of the moment?" Sure. I mean Bishop basically conviently hung around your Uncle's inn just so he'd be available for when you 'needed' the map update. Heck, I'm sure Elanee knows a ranger or two who would know the Luskan area well. And, you could also have it so if the player decides to go out on their own to track Shandra, they could have one of those world map where you bump into a ranger who notices that you seem lost. Or better yet, if you refused Bishop's help.. he could still go ahead and you meet him and he gives you the info you need. Afterall, the whole reasoning behind him helping is he owes your uncle a favor.. so, he might do what needs to be done in spite of you refusing his party membership. So many possibilities that likely wouldn't ask for all that much scripting.

I'm sure other npcs cna be found in NW that 'knew Luskan like the back of their hand'. heck, I'm sure the city of NW employs them. LOL

Um. BG, and every other CRPG I have ever played has been monty haul. You don't need epic levels for monty haul to occur.

Jagr + Lundqvist = Awesome! :joy:

Yeha, I know. It was 'funny'; but kinda of off. Ah well. Not a biggy compared to other forced things. LOL :crazy:

What's even wors ehere it that the 'excuse' we were given for forced npcs was that it was mandatory for the story to work. Really? How is it really mandatory to have, say for example, Neeshka (who I hate) or Khelgar (who I love) to complete the game? Oh yeah, it isn't. In fact, the only characters even close to be mandatory are Zhajerve, Shandra, Jerro, and Bishop. Z - So she can read the scrolls, and tells you about the Rituals. The Rituals could have been found out abouyt by that cool old sage. You nall alreadys quashed the scrolls. Shandra - Well.. You need her blood for Jerro's Haven. But, there's no reason to require her in the party. However, this is probably the closest to 'legit' required party member. Jerro - Scrolls were dealt with above. You don't need the Rituals to beat KOS. I surely didn't. In fact, during that battle, Jerrod did pretty much nothing as warlock powers suck,a nd warlocks suck period. Bishop - WOW! he can track. Big deal. I'm sure there are plenty of trackers around NW. Not to mention IN THE PARTY. So, in essence, there was no need to force party members on the player with the possibl;e exemption of Shandra, and that's even iffy. Hmph.