Volourn

But... but... in one interview... a bio doc claimed that supreme selling blockbusters cans ell 10 mil and that was their ultimate goal and they had yet to rech that number... so yeah it must explain why ME3 is a fialure but BG isn't despite it not selling 10mil either. But, hey they expected to sell 10mil copies but only shipped 3.5. LOGIC.

In accurate and out fod ate figures. L0LZ You have an axe to grind against NW. BIo does not have an axe tio grind against either franchise so their words are more trustworthy in this case than your silliness. Don't be a turd and amdit the truth. BG is overrated wananbe trash. P.S. That list has so many inaccuracies. L0L It even disputes other figure on other games . L0LZ

Toronto - grabs their fans' money yet never seriously tries to win despite being arguably the most popular team in the entire league, fanbase is led by a well known bigot Montreal - Bigotry at its finest. Living way too much on past success. The way they treat argubaly their biggest ever in patrick Roy was disgusting yet here they are pretty much trying to get him back in the fold. Edmonton - L0L Outside of joke franchises like Phoenix 9who at least try to win) and the now departed Atlanta, are pathetic. So bad so that pretty much nobody of note wants to play there. It's not a coincidence they've had the #1 pick 3 seasons in a row (luck of the draw notiwthstanding) as a 'reward' for losing. Couple of seasons now they've had amassed 5 1s overall picks, and be top 3 team in the elague and people will praise them for it. People should NOt be rewarded for sucking. Calgary - Not much negative to say about this team (outside of not being able to get over the hump when they were a top team). Ottawa - outside of some mistreatment of their players (Emery, Heatley, & Yashin) they overall ar eharmless. Vancouver - While the fans are a little over the top for their bashing of Luongo overall solid. The players have a 'reputation' for being soft./dirty yet they are no worse than all other teams. The owners try to win, and they've stood by the Sedins even during the seasons where they underperformed and got flak for doing so.

Don't be mad bro that NWN > BG. Just a fact, yo. BG is a wanna RPG. NWN is a RPG. It's one of only two true RPGs in gaming, inf act. And, the better of the two. Back on topic, this kickstarter freak show better do siomething to make a rerepurchase of BG series worth it. But, like I said above, they likely don't have the ballz to do what is required. P.S. Delfosse is a fanboyw ho cna't see facts as they are. It's been confirmed that NWN was more successful than BG. It's undisputable unless you are a nutbar who lives iun Fantasy Land just like it's undisputable that BG2 is bettert han BG1.

"I never once said ME3 was a failure financially. I've stated multiple times that we don't know how much it cost to make ME3, and thus only BioWare knows for certain." Then, youa re arguing with the wrong person then. , "though not really enough to justify the ludicrous prive paid by EA for Bioware in the first place." 1. ia gree the price paid was ridiculous. 2. It is also ridiculous that the pruchase of BIo was just dependent on ME3, but on other proeprties too. Not to mention, almost every new (or EA division) is being turned into BIO. Soo.. EA Sports is gonna be called BIO EA Sports. L0L

"And what do you mean by that? Shouldn't maybe you be told being wrong? ^^ As far as the scores by Metacritics and GameRankings go both parts of BG series show some of the bigger notes than NWN (slightly, but they are de facto bigger), and in case of the total number of the copies sold only the first BG has sold out somewhat parallel to the NWN, while BG2 was quite more succesful than Neverwinter Nights " Nope. It was made ve clear that prior to DA 9and the games afterwrads), NWN was, by far, BIO's most successful game. lol metacritics lol

"Maybe EA is content with ME3's sales, but after the three-color ending fiasco, someone certainly has to raise the question whether the ME series is gonna be a sustainable hit in the future? " You just changed the entirE argument we wer ehaving on the last page. L0LZ It has nothing to do with quality (or perceived quality), tool. "Realistically, without knowing the exact budget to make the game or the expectations of EA in units sold, there's not much conclusion to be made about what the ME3 sales mean. " Except, EA/BIO have made announcements bragging about ME3 sales, and its success. Even dealing with the ending hoopla, they've been very clear about that. It deoesn't matter if some internet geekz are personally dissapointed in the ending. It's friggin' iirelevant in terms of sales. "Either way, with developers like Rockstar and Bethesda continuing to explore and improve ambitious open-world game design (imo teh future), BioWare just keeps entrenching and straitjacketng themselves into a deeper hole. Popping out games in fast intervalls certainly doesn't help them to get out of that hole, either. They will continue to lose prestige and relevance. But at least they should have the integrity to admit it. " HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAS!

":You're making it sound like if BioWare sells 1 million copies at $50 each, that they come away with $50 million net income. You do realize that's not free and clear, right? Out of that revenue, they have costs associated with making the game that eats into that $50. " You make it sound that ME3 cost 250mil to make and ME2 took 10mil to make. Only explanation for why ME3 is a 'failure' and ME2 is a 'success' despite more than double and almost tripling its sales. LMAO

Morgoth just trollin' guyz... L0LZ

Rising costs? Within a couple of years? Come on people. I doubt the technoology and the people cost 9employees) changed sod rmaatically between the two games. And, I doubt the advterising budget 9another major games cost) increased so much between ME2 and ME3. Now youa re claiming that ME3 didn't make a profit but ME2 did? Geez.. If that were logical BIO/EA would have to have tripled (at least) ME3's budget comapred to ME2. Do you really beleiev that or are you just trolling because it's considered cool to scream 'FAILURE!" towards BIO/EA? L0LZ p.s. I ahve yet to hear/read EA state anything about ME3's sales fialure. In fcat, they have been bragging about its success even while dealing with the whole ending drama.

Amentep: True, but ME2 itself is a sequel to a popular game. A popular game that itself sold even less than ME2 when it came out. The fact is ME3 has more than double ME2 sales and I doubt its cost or real expectations (as opposed to out of context hype) were so much more than ME2. This isn't even about quality since I've stated before that I feel ME3 is the weakest of the three games but it's obvious that sakles wise it's way more successful than the earlier ME (largely based on them to a point for obvious reason). The logic used in thsi thread doesn't make sense. ME2 sales = .5mil = success ME3 sales = 1.3mil = failure l0lz oNLY ON THE INTERNETZ

You guys are just ignorant. Siomehow.. ME2 is a success when it sold less than ME3 (by more than half) yet ME3 is a fialure? That doesn't even make sense. InflatioN? We're tlaking a difference of 2 years. Plus ME3 was made on an alreayd long established engine/series and I doubt the marketing costs differences are that different. BIO/EA has never satted they should sell 10mil copies. What they said is to be considered AAA elite sellers they need to sell 10mil copies and they stated no prevuious BIo game has met that criteria. Are you so stupid you cna't read? BIO games will never sell 10 mil copies. Never. So, no, it's not a fialure unless you wanna claim ME1 and ME2 are failures too. Which you won't. ME3 sells 1.3 copies in NA/HD alone = failure but ME2 selling .5mil copies = success WTFW TF WTF

Canucks are one of the classiest teams in the league. there's not one other Canadian team classier than them except *maybe* Ottawa.

"Volourn, stop contaminating the topic. If you're not a fanboy/interested/whatever you want to call it - in BGEE then piss off." This is the most hilarious thing I've read in a long time. The irony is off the charts. LMAO btw, i am interested inthis project. As much as you are in BIO games,. But, when people state stupid stuff like 'IE pathfidning is better than Auora pathfinding' they need to eb told no theya re simply wrong. btw, I don't think IE pathfinding is the worst buit it is certainly not better than Aurpra. Also, lots of people care about Aurora/NWN. The game was/is a lot more successful than BG was. Also, Twicther sucks. The onyl good thing about that game was b00bies. There are thingas they can do to get me to buy this updated BG but I doubt they have the balls to do it.

You people are dumb. It says 1.3mil in NA only and only physical hard copy. In compartison, ME2 sold .5mil copies in the first month Everyone would agree that ME2 was a success but now some tools are gonna claim that this proves that ME3 was a 'finanical failure'? Are you kiddin' me with your insanity? It more than doubled ME2's sales yet it is a fialure but ME2 isn't? Give me a laughable break. P.S. TW2 has sold elss than 2mil total over its lifetime. You likely lose that bet. L0L "Because it could be a case of their costs needing more than those sales in order to break even or turn a profit. Only BioWare/EA know how much they spent to make ME3, so I guess we'll never know for sure. " Even at 1mil sold withb each new copy being sold for $50 (I paid $70ish) that's $50mil made. Yup, I think they did alright.

IE fanboy apologist above. My sympathies to those who had to read such a joke. Did you play any of the IE games? L0L

Nobody underrates Cain. he's been around for eyars and has helped make some great games and also some poor ones. definitely one of the better RPG developers out there.

No way did anyone SERUIOUSLy try to claim that the IE had better pathfinding than Aurora. LMAO BG fanboys. L0L

ME3 > bg No contest. I feel ripped off being tricked into think BG was an above average game. LMAO

. "Every year the same Sharks" That's weird. the last two years SJ made the CF yet you have them losing in first round. How is that the 'same old'? LOL P.S. I don't think teams should be rewarded for sucking. The draft order should be completely randomized.

"Ovechkin decides to try." Ovechkin always tries. Not his fault he's on a crappy team with lackadiasical goaltending, iffy d, and no depth. Fleury is one of the best goalies in the league. 'Soft goals'. L0L Rangers D is overrated. The fella bteween the pipes makes them look better than theya ctually are.

I disagree. Despite my earlier rant about the Pantehrs I believe you shoudl eb rewarded with a high seed if you win your division. Period. if Florida is a crappy as we and their record indicates theya re, the Devils will make quick work of them just like the 6th seeded Rangers made quick work of Atlanta a few years back.

The docs aren't involved therefore the real team behind BG isn't there. Also, don't people realzie that the Bg team is more than just a handful of dinks unless it's the BIo docs. Not to mention FU's influence as well. The guys claiming to be the 'originals' are a bunch of pretenders.

BG is dead. And, what 6 original members at most? Big deal. Is BIo and Interplay getting money out of this? If not, why should I support it? Espicially since BG1 was overrated ... inclduing by me, It';s a minor update. It's a minor trash update to a game past its prime. Nothing they've announced makes this a worthy purchase with my money. Maybe they'll announce something that'll change my mind.. maybe not.

Ap sucks. Nobody should copy that horrible game. Don't bring up that sort of trash in a game (but flawed) games' thread. Thank you very much.