Aurora

You regenerate slightly faster for each point of your con bonus, yeah.

You still have to do the nice happy things that'll make her happy, and fight (and win) against her to gain enough influence. DS ---> do the things someone likes, no matter what their alignment ---> they turn darkside.

You regenerate one HP every 6 seconds. I assume that it was put in for balance since they removed warping back to the Ebon Hawk/other bases but it kinda adds a lot to making the game crazy-easy.

Y'know, I kinda dug Sion, but for someone HELD TOGETHER ENTIRELY BY HATRED AND THE DARK SIDE, he was awfully warm and fuzzy.

i upped my strength to 96 with powers and i destroyed buildings with a single hit and i did like 690 thousand points of damage each time and i PWNED ok i PWNED the WORLD and my lightsaber is THIS BIG. ------------------------------------------

She's embarrassed to come out in the same clothes she was wearing when you knew her ten years ago. Bet she never washes them.

I just wish they could *both* make it. Is that so wrong? sigh.

Yeah, uh, you might not want to get them mixed up in real life.

For PC, get the Miles sound tools and use the player to, well, play them.

I'm getting some webspace so I can post a few clips of the sound files for X-Box users (who presumably can't get to these files, or it's a lot harder, or what? I'm clueless about consoles). Yeah, I felt like that too, but fortunately I have just the tool for dealing with it.

There are sound waves for both Atris and Kreia speaking the exact same dialogue from that section.

I do think the writing was better for KOTOR2, but I didn't find the characters in KOTOR1 lifeless at all. I think that part of the reason the characters seem more fleshed-out in the sequel is because they're far, far, far more ****ed-up than KOTOR1's characters were. That's not necessarily depth, although it certainly passes for it in many circles.

I recall the animation looking a lot like the remote exploded. When I rushed in to kill G0-T0 for hurting the precious widdle remote and saw it happily bobbing around, I figured that he "just" altered its programming, but it didn't look like it.

Strong combination? Um... just play the game and you'll be a badass. My LS Guardian/Weaponmaster, focused on dex, had over 400 force points by the end (more than she had HP) and could spam force lightning all day long. Whee. Force jump doesn't come into play until around level 13 or so, because it can't be used without a lightsaber. However, only guardians and weaponmasters/marauders have access to lightsaber specialization, greater weapon focus (3 feats) and greater two weapon fighting. Usually when there's a dialogue option opened by skills, there are other dialogue options opened up by other abilities/skills as well and you can't choose all of them. You don't need to play sentinel if you're doing so grudgingly: you can get awareness, persuade, and treat injury with a 14-int guardian, after all. Computer use is good, and there's a wider variety of options for it but not as many "zap the room" options as last time. It comes up in dialogue a fair amount. If you really want a character build for sentinel, I'd suggest: 10 strength (items do massive damage anyway) 14 dex (finesse, finesse, and Defense is important since you'll probably want to go armorless if you want to use all your powers) 12 con (implants aren't that great unless you get the apparently randomized high-level 18-con required one) 14 int (really, you don't need *every* skill) 14 wis 14 cha Balance... in all things. Or just go with a consular/weaponmaster, like you want. You won't be able to get all the dialogue ever in one playthrough even if you have a crazy skill-high character, so just accept it.

GUESS AGAIN, SPORT.

grrr. there goes my reason for playing as a female pc. :D <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Oh, don't worry, Mira still thought that my female PC, at least, was super-hot (and not in a bugged way).

Thanks for separating all that, HighPriest. I think you may be right about the placement of the Atton-casual-talk at the very ending - good God, to end the game with light banter? That's a twist. Yes, the cut stuff makes the game even more similar to PST. Big deal. It makes the game *better* and gives an actual ending, rather than just tossing you out alone without a clue about where your companions went, except for Mira who appears somewhere and just sorta runs off. Given that the game was released still buggy and still jagged in terms of story, I don't have much hope for these endings being added. I won't make judgements about whether or not they care about the game, but it looks like they've fully moved on to NWN2. Trials of the Luremaster was added because of complaints that HoW was too short, not because of story issues. The "Ascension" mod added to ToB is a better comparison, but it mostly added combat and some "new" story things, not an actual, um, ending, since the game already had one. So... anyone know how to program? I don't have access to my computer right now, but there are more dialogues in there. There might still not be enough included to make sense, but we might be able to put together a coherent story if we have T3 explaining things to the Exile through a dialogue - even something as simple as "oh no your party members all got knocked off the ship" - since T3 just uses beeps and stuff, we can re-use his sound files from other parts of the game. Or maybe they all knock the Exile out and run ahead to fight Kreia, because they know that Kreia intends to destroy her, and they leave behind T3 to tell part of the story, and part of the message (maybe personalized depending on male/female and who's romanced) on a datapad. They tackle Kreia, she knocks them back and leaves them for dead or almost dead. If LS female, Atton is the only one who gets back up, because that's his thing and because of luuuuuuuuuurve, and Kreia rolls her eyes and lets Sion have him. He's apparently supposed to look pretty awful when the Exile reaches him (after Sion fight? before? after works better since it'd be hard to add things to the Sion dialogue) and I wonder if there's a special one-armed bloody Atton model still in the files somewhere. After his speech, he either dies, or can be healed if you have one of the force healing powers but still falls unconscious from the near-deathness and can't go on with the Exile. Then after you fight Kreia, maybe add an option to say "screw you, I'm not ditching my friends even if the True Sith are going to eat their souls" so that Atton can have his end speech. The end speech doesn't seem like it'd work very well for DSers, maybe there's another one in there somewhere. Play the end video of the Hawk taking off, or just cut to credits. If LS male, after the endgame Handmaiden or Visas crawl to their feet, and uh, you have to tell them that you're abandoning them forever. But then what video to play? sigh. If DS female, I guess Atton runs in to Disciple somewhere on the planet, attacks him, and they both die? In my regular game when we fought Sith before boarding the Ravager, he briefly freaked out and said he was overwhelmed with the urge to kill, or such. There's also apparently stuff in the dialogue files about him willingly betraying you to Kreia - I don't know if that's dependent on gender. Cut to scene of Kreia laughing evilly, or such. If DS male, Handmaiden attacks Visas, both die, Kreia laughs.

I've searched and found sound files for all of those lines except for the Dustil thing (still may be there). They're very real. I get the impression that they wanted to leave the game ending more open-ended, y'know, like a gaping wound. There was probably last-minute uncertainty about whether or not there'd be a sequel and so it might not be good to kill off half the main characters. Still, good god, it would've been nice to have some closure.

I'm kind've exhausted right now, I might go over it tomorrow and space out the lines - but I don't always know exactly where the line breaks should be and who's saying which line, so it's hard. I don't know if this was actually cut from the game, but I played LS female and didn't come across him, so here's an encounter with Dustil Onasi: {Dustil has been trapped here a while and he is stark, raving mad} Another vision! Don't think I can't see through this deception.The vision leaves, only to sneak up later when I am less aware. Better to silence it now.{screaming, louder at end}You won't have me! You won't have me!{mocking}Ah, the existential vision. What causes me? Why am I a vision? {serious}Deceptive vision. Dustil the Jedi is wise to your tricks.{mocking and ranting}"I am not a vision" says the vision. Ha! Well then, I am not Dustil Onasi, son of Carth, no. I am not a Jedi either.I am Jedi. So proud, so proud to be. I escaped the dark side only to return. Why did I return?Why? The other Jedi wanted to. They tricked me. Oh, they tricked me. I did not know then that they were all visions. Visions all.The vision speaks of my father, not knowing I killed him twenty two times, and he has killed me, but I did not die.He won't be coming back for me, not again. With his tricks. {shouting}His tricks! {tortured yell}Oh, father! {sobbing}Why did you leave?!Of course the vision knows my name. It probes my thoughts. But I am learning the tricks, I am. Soon I will block them out entirely.{ranting quiety to himself}Yes, questions. Visions always have questions for Dustil... before the killing starts. I won't answer! {yelling}Hear me apparition! I won't answer!I'll be going now.Do you know what causes the visions here?I am not a vision.You are a Jedi?Carth? You are Carth Onasi's son?You are Dustil?You killed those other Jedi!Who are you talking about?Who are you?DustilOnasiGeneral! Is the way clear?I have new orders for you. Charge![Lie] Yes, the path is clear. Go ahead, I'll cover you.Not yet.

More Kreia-group-battle stuff: {With weapon at the ready}We've come a long way, Kreia... don't bother getting up.{Indulgent, doesn't move}Ah, the huntress. To come alone... you are braver than I thought.She is not alone. We stand with her.She is not alone. We stand with her.And with her, stand all the Jedi.{Strides in, behind other Jedi, lightsaber raised}And now I come in, saying something suitably heroic.{Mild contempt, doesn't even bother getting up}Children with lightsabers... {smiles contemptuously, beat}but not Jedi, I think.{[Gameplay Programmer: Kreia gets up.]}Come close, let me look upon you and see what the exile's teaching has forged. {[Gameplay Programmer: Looks across the "heroes," camera pans across them - just do a series of close ups if we have no animated camera]}An assassin, a slayer of her own kin, a blinded slave... and a fool.{Indulgent}Which of you wishes to try yourselves against me? As you can see, I am unarmed.You, perhaps? Come, child, where you walk, it is not far from battle, slaughter, and the blood of your sisters.{[Handmaiden attacks, Kreia barely moves, deftly avoiding every blow, then gets bored, and grabs the Handmaiden by the throat, or in a Force Crush.]}Think. Think before you throw away your life for him. Think of everything you will lose by dying.Your lusts unfulfilled. A dance, unfinished. A love, requited. Think before you give it up so quickly.Think. Think before you throw away your life for her. Think of everything you will lose by dying. Your lusts unfulfilled. A dance, unfinished. A love, requited. Think before you give it up so quickly.{[Gameplay Programmer: Kreia turns to Visas.]}And you, blind one, you have hungered to strike me down ever since you saw the bond the exile and I share.Can you feel the Force running through me, even past the veil, past your bloodied eyes? You know you cannot win. The Force runs strong within you, Traya, but in the howling of a storm, it is difficult to hear the whisper of the blade. You have forever been the blind one. You were given a gift few are ever given, and yet you let your gift of sight warp you, tw-{[Calm, like a surgeon, Kreia does Force Crush, lifting Visas up.]}You think your existence under your Lord was torture, Miraluka? I will make you see.{[Gameplay Programmer: DO NOT SCRIPT THIS. Kreia is sitting in the middle of the Trayus Core, meditating.]}{Quietly}I say we fire a rocket at her right now, and blow her screaming, burning body into the heart of this planet. It wouldn't work- if there were other distractions, maybe, if she wasn't telepathic, maybe. If you want to kill her like that, you need something else to occupy her attention, otherwise you might just wound her. And then we'd all be in trouble.This battle will not be decided by weapons. You are wrong. Manipulation is Kreia's strength, not battle. You are wrong. Manipulation is Kreia's strength, not battle. Atton, warped to the darkside, attacks Disciple: {[Disciple walks into the room, looking around. As he looks around, Atton steps from behind him, in a creepy, yet casual way.]}Hey, kid. {Initially relieved}Atton... the exile, where is she?{Shrugs, but evil}She's safe, you don't need to worry about her. You never did, really. You know how long it's been since I killed a Jedi? You get a taste for it, you know. I killed a bunch here on Malachor, while the planet was dying.Killing a half-Jedi like you should hold me over until the next one comes along. They always do, you know.{Firm}Atton, Kreia is using y- {"using you"}Really? I had no idea. Everyone uses each other, kid. And if she's using me to kill you, as I see it, I really don't lose anything.I already lost what mattered to me. I wanted to protect her, to help her, and then you show up, playing hero. Fine. {Firm}Atton, the feelings between the exile and I...Doesn't matter, not anymore. I had forgotten how much I hate Jedi. And the less of you that are in the galaxy, the better.Ready to die, kid? {Firm}I won't fight you, Atton.I don't care - I just want you to die.{[Atton draws his weapon at the end.]}{[starts advancing toward Disciple]}{[Gets into ready stance.]} Visas fighting Handmaidens: {Gameplay: Cam 1, The player opens the cell door, and the camera cuts to him opening the door - the camera is on the inside of the cell, facing the player as it opens.}{Gameplay: Cam 2, Camera shows up behind the player's shoulder as the player looks around the room. The camera pans around the cell to show a corpse in the corner. [Make this an animated camera, if possible, and play some light side stinger.]}{The camera would need to swing in to the room and focus on the corpse. Need faint whispering in the background, not evil, but almost peaceful, calming.}{[Make this an animated camera, if possible, and play some light side stinger.]}[The corpse holds a powerful lightsaber crystal, made from the emanations of the dying Jedi.]{[Gameplay Programmer: Have a scene where Visas is walking amongst the corridors of the Academy.]}{She stops, waits for a moment, draws her blade, as the corrupted Handmaidens step from the shadows, like Darth Vader when Luke is going down beneath Bespin. She'll draw her blade.}A Sith stalking amongst the Sith. Your kind fear each other, betrayers and murderers, all.Sister of the Echani, you must listen to me. Kreia is using your feeling ag...Be silent. I have listened to you corrupt others... the exile... with your words. I have seen you erode his will, bit by bit, over our journey until he echoes your corruption. {Trying to be challenging, but pained}And because of you, I have lost one for whom I cared deeply.You must listen to me.No. There will be no more words between us{[The two draw weapons as the screen fades to black.]}

Well, I just finished the game for the first time, and the cut sound file thread intrigued me, so I dug through dialog.tlk. There's a scene with Atton being tortured by Sion, followed by him confessing his love to the female PC while he's dying, the PC talking to Handmaiden about how he has to go, but she needs to stay behind and train the Jedi, and some stuff where Kreia fights (and apparently easily kills) your party members who have come to challenge her (including Handmaiden and Atton). I am depressed that this was cut out - I suppose it's because they wanted to leave the game more open-ended, and that it'd be worse if the party members are actually all killed off, but at least there's some *closure.* I was utterly depressed that none of my party members even talked to me about the coming battle as I left to fight Kreia! The sound files are there for Atton, at least. I'll try to find if others exist, and if there's more to put the situations in context (not that all of the stuff that happens in the endgame anyway has context). Some of this stuff might actually be in the game, but I've never heard anyone mention it. The stuff is all blocked-together, sorry, but it has descriptions about the action, so: Atton torture/death/love: ?{[At the end, Sion cuts off his arm, then leaves Atton on the ground, writhing in pain but Atton staggers to his feet, still wounded. Sion stops, turns.]}{Weakly, just had hand cut off}Running away? I'm not done with you yet. Nor I you. {Levitates Atton}I will remake you. So when I look upon you it shall be like a mirror. Then I shall let you die.There's... nothing worse you can do to me.Take your time.{[Cut to a scene of Sion's face, smiling.]}{[sion advances through the halls. Atton comes to face him, looking a little sheepish. Darth Sion draws his blade against Atton.] }And I get the fool.Funny - that's just what I was thinking.{[Gameplay Programmer: Sion levitates Atton into the air, holding him in place.]}{[As the player walks off the Core, Atton is leaning against a pillar, off to the side.]}{Trying to be casual, but wants to go with the player}Need any company? {Beat, casual}I mean, I'm not doing anything. Besides, if I'm not around to bail you out of trouble, who knows what could happen. All right, then. {Beat}Where are we going again? I mean, because last time, we were heading toward this mining colony on the edge of space, and there was this Sith Lord, and...{[Gameplay Programmer: Player walks down the path, sees Atton's crumpled body. Player kneels, Atton's choked voice, dying. Atton's words slur a bit in places because of the pain, and his voice should get weaker all the way until the end.]}You're... alive. Did... I... save you yet?Your eyes... {sees player's horrified expression}that bad, eh? {Turns away, quiet}Always was ugly.... now the outside matches. Was waiting for this, but...S' not fair... let you down... {winces, in pain}was s'posed to save you. S' tired of living anyway... too many deaths... {winces, a little quieter}never told you... lied to you...{Dry chuckle}{Laugh dies, Pained, humiliated, doesn't want the player to see him dying}I don't want you to see me like this. I don't want to die in front of you. Can't bear it.Loved you from the moment I first saw you, thought you were a dream......meant every word... tried to play it off as a joke... wasn't funny...{Dry chuckle}Hurts when I laugh. Hurts...You... saved me... joke's on me...{Dry chuckle, winces}Hurts when I laugh. Hurts...{[Gameplay Programmer: Atton doesn't turn as he says the above sentence.]}{[slow fade of the sound below as the camera pulls back. Adam, this animation request has been fired off to the animators.]}Atton, hold on, I can still help you.Shhh... you've lost a lot of blood.Yes. Be still.Malachor touched all of us. We all died there, and the echo kept traveling. It just took a while to reach us. I think we all saved each other.... Visas, the Handmaiden, Kreia. And you, Atton.I think we were all supposed to save each other.... Visas, the Handmaiden, Kreia. And you, Atton.You did, Atton. You fought bravely, and I could not ask for a greater sacrifice.All that was your past is forgiven, Atton. Be still. You never needed to tell me, Atton. I knew.If you're trying to get rid of me, it's not working.There is no death, Atton. There is only the Force.No. I will stay with you until the end comes. Handmaiden/Visas: You are leaving? I... I would come with you, if you will allow it.You're leaving. I... I would come with you, if you allow it.Others? What do you mean?Others?I... shall do as you ask. I shall train others who will follow.{Quietly, knows the answer is never}When will you return?I will do as you ask. If it is important to you, I shall see it through.Your journey... will you return?Where I go, I cannot take anyone I care for. You must remain, for others will come.No, I require you to stay here, at the Trayus Core, and train others, as Kreia trained me.You... cannot come with me. I need someone to stay here at the edge of known space, and show others the way. I need someone to show them the way. As Kreia showed me the way.Kreia spoke of Revan, and another war that waits beyond the Outer Rim. You must gather forces here, and wait.Yes, others will come. And you must train them until they are ready to pass on to the next war. {[Gameplay Programmer: Player walks off, in silence, and keeps walking toward the Trayus Core, and is gone. The Handmaiden watches the player for a time, without saying anything.]}{[Gameplay Programmer: Player walks off, in silence, and keeps walking toward the Trayus Core, and is gone. Visas Marr watches the player for a time, without saying anything.]} Challenging Kreia: She is not alone. We stand with her.And now I come in, saying something suitably heroic.{Mild contempt, doesn't even bother getting up}Children with lightsabers... {smiles contemptuously, beat}but not Jedi, I think.{[Gameplay Programmer: Kreia gets up.]}Come close, let me look upon you and see what the exile's teaching has forged. {[Gameplay Programmer: Looks across the "heroes," camera pans across them]}An assassin...A slayer of her own kin...A blinded slave......and a fool.{[Gameplay Programmer: Looks across the "heroes," camera pans across them]}An assassin, a slayer of her own kin, a blinded slave... and a fool.Which of you wishes to try yourself against me? As you can see, I am unarmed.{Goading at the end, knows the last sentence will bait the Diciple to attack}You, perhaps? Come, boy, face me now - do not make this one of the many battles you have run from. {[Gameplay Programmer: Disciple attacks, Kreia barely moves, deftly avoiding every blow, then gets bored, and grabs the Handmaiden by the throat, or in a Force Crush.]}Think. Think before you throw away your life for her. Think of everything you will lose by dying. A love, requited. A hope of another life, beyond the shadow of the Jedi. {Beat before last sentence}Think before you give it up so quickly.{[Gameplay Programmer: Kreia turns to Visas.]}{Sneering}And you, blind one, you have hungered to strike me down ever since you felt the bond the exile and I share.Can you feel the Force running through me, even past the veil, past your bloodied eyes? You know you cannot win. The Force runs strong within you, Traya, but in the howling of a storm, it is difficult to hear the whisper of the blade. You have forever been the blind one. You were given a gift few are ever given, and you let your gift of sight warp you, tw-{"twist you," cut off by Kreia.}{[Calm, like a surgeon, Kreia does Force Crush, lifting Visas up.]}You think your existence under your Lord was torture, Miraluka? I will make you see.{[Pause as Visas lies, collapsed.]}{Turns to Mira}And you.You were stronger than I thought - to spare the beast that wished to kill you. I felt it, faintly, even here on Malachor. Come, huntress. You have tracked me so far and killed many beasts to be here.Come, huntress. You have tracked me so far. Cast away your past for this moment.And now... at last, the fool. You only delay the inevitable. You have been difficult to sense before... but not now. You can cloak your mind only for so long. It is only a matter of coaxing the right thought to the surface. Your desire to protect the Jedi... and the hope that will kill the guilt inside you.He will fall before me, you know. And when I am done with him, I will watch as he murders you with the Force. It is only a matter of coaxing the right thought to the surface. Your desire to protect the Jedi... and the hope that she truly cares about you...She will fall before me, you know. And when I am done with her, she will view you with all the contempt I do for a murderer such as you.And that is the last of them. Take them. They are strong in the Force... and they will have their uses. I will remain here and await the one who comes.{Goading at the end, knows the last sentence will bait the Handmaiden to attack}You, perhaps? Come, child, where you walk, it is not far from battle, slaughter, and the blood of your sisters.{[Gameplay Programmer: Handmaiden attacks, Kreia barely moves, deftly avoiding every blow, then gets bored, and grabs the Handmaiden by the throat, or in a Force Crush.]}Think. Think before you throw away your life for him. Think of everything you will lose by dying.Your lusts fulfilled. A love, requited. A hope of another life. {Beat before last sentence}Think before you give it up so quickly.We have a chance... we just have to figure out how to make use of it.Let us see what transpires... and plan our attack.{[Gameplay Programmer: Pauses, looks around, realizes that Atton is gone.]}{[Gameplay Programmer: Fight between Atton and Kreia, short, quick, brutal.]}

Just called my EBGames, Southern Californa, 45 minutes from Obsidian studios and who knows how far from Lucasarts: they'll have it tomorrow.

1) "Imagined," not built, as if they wanted to create characters without the absurd, meaningless restrictions of weighted point-buy, which I can certainly understand. The characters still turn out uneven even then, though, which is kinda sad. Poor, poor Mira. 2) I said not quite so far-out, not un-far-out.

Wookiees gain the racial adjustment of +4 strength, -2 dex/wis/cha, so Hanharr's not quite so far-out. It looks like the characters were imagined using unweighted point-buy (though that doesn't make them even either), which would be fine with me if the PC could use unweighted point-buy too. Meh.

Looks like Jesus with a haircut.