The Great Phantom

Well, if there was no Sith or Jedi, then gangs and hutts and other crap would take their shot at galaxy-wide domination... With no Jedi to stand in their way. (not to mention, the Death of the Force would have killed anything that heard it, since not all were as strong as the Exile and would have been able to save themselves from it)

Like I said before, the Jedi try to be too perfect, the Sith ditch all attempt.

Well, Jediphile, you beat me to the punch... I was going to say that!

I know: I was in the original discussion of Kae's identity.

Or, like from what I assumed with my very little knowledge of his thoughts (from Kreia's lesson), he just dislikes the Jedi now, and is bitter towards them. Zez-Kai-Ell is no longer a Master of the Order. He 'realized their flaw', so I guess he could be considered a 'true Jedi' (one that doesn't think of himself as perfect and flawless and the living embodiment of the Force).

Well... That was easy.

Hmmm... where do I vote for 'K'?

Do you mean Zez-Kai-El (or something like that)? Maybe he didn't train her because he didn't have time, or he thought it might make him more of a target for the Exchange/Sith if he started going around gathering Force Sensitives around him... No idea about Disciple, though...

Kreia is either very complex, or blindingly simple... I still can't figure out which. After all, they often appear one and the same... If Revan was LS and Kreia talks of how he probably shouldn't have redeemed Ajunta, she also mentions how such redemption often goes entirely against what you are. But, how can this be true? After all, even an act, a facade pulled over your behavior, can, after time, become who you really are. That, and the Dark Side is notorious for insinuating itself into your personality, so, is it truly the Dark Lord that controls his/her (for you Dark Lady fans out there ) actions? Most of Kreia's truths, half-truths, and downright lies almost all sound as though she is either trying to make herself look good, or make the Jedi look bad. She refuses to accept the fact that the Jedi teach how they do so that people don't "fall", and refuses to acknowledge that her students were 'failures'. She blames the Jedi Council for her own teachings leading to the fall of her students, and rationalizes all of her students' falls in one way or another (this brings up another quick question: Is it possible that Arren Kae could have been one of Kreia's old apprentices? Perhaps Revan went to learn from Kae because Kreia spoke of her highly...???). IMHO, Kreia really needs to get over herself.

Never thought about that, but yeah, I guess you're right... I suppose the other possibility is that several of the Exile's companions have become force sensitive simply because the Exile needed them to be, so he could siphon power off them and gain access to the force. Given that Bao-Dur was there with the Exile when the Mass Shadow Generator was activated (and which so made him cut himself off from the force), it's possible that they share a fairly strong connection through that mutual experience, which was so climactic to the Exile. That might also explain why the Exile can "hear" Bao-Dur's thoughts, while Kreia cannot. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> That makes sense... "War forms bonds", after all (don't remember where I heard that... sounded kinda cool at the time, though. ).

That's kinda wierd that Bao-Dur can become a Jedi... Not to mention extremely odd that he went for quite a while around Jedi without them ever secretly training him...

If Revan was DS, then I believe that Kreia explained how Revan destroyed Ajunta Pall's soul, as well...

I just did it... Wow. Sad thing is, that was one of the better in-game animations...

Will do (right now, in fact.)

Quick question: How do you get Visas to kill herself? I've tried and tried, but getting her to do it is the one thing I can't do (unless you can make Bao-Dur a Jedi or something, which I haven't done either... ).

No. Exar Kun met him and anniahalated his eternal soul. It's happened before, and it will happen after (like w/ Ajunta Pall).

The game does not recognize LSM/F as having killed Bastila. So, for all intents and purposes, Bastila is alive on all accounts, unless you decide to kill her off later on in your own little sick universe full of sad puppies and crying snails (???).

If they wanted to bring back Nadd, then why, when "The ritual is complete", would you not have to face Nadd down (which would be really cheesy, since Nadd's Force Spirit has already been wiped from any place touched by the Force.)

The Jedi never explicitly say: "Emotion is bad." They just say to control them. Just because all the Jedi take this to mean "Emotion is bad" is their own fault.

The whole Beast Thing makes the most sense... although, did any of you notice how the red mist looks erily (sp?) like Nihilus after he poof-icizes? Maybe it was to resurrect him, only to have him summon a horde of undead Sith Lords to attack Onderon... oh, wait, that's stupid. (Seriously, though, I think the Beast Thing makes the most sense.)

Has anybody forgotten that the Star Forge requires a sun to power it, as well as a strong willed leader? So, find some way to starve it of either, or just take out Rakata Prime and eliminate the disruptor field around the Forge, and then you'll have plenty of time to figure out how to destroy the Forge while you run the Death Star back to your entire fleet (which provides a handy distraction), only to come back out while the Forge churns out capital ships to fight your fleet. One shot, and BOOM! Or, if you could somehow get the Sun Crusher, or some other Sith-like Super-Nova-Making goodness, you could wipe out the whole Forge from the safety of the Dark Lord's Throne Room on the Death Star (in theory), or, at the very least, render it powerless since the sun it was feeding off of begins to grow more and more unstable, eventually destroying much of anything too close nearby... What goods a huge fleet if it's just a bunch of atoms drifting off into space?

Yep. I was not advocating the Sith. Or the Jedi. Although, in my book, the Jedi are a wee bit better... Giving into the Dark Side can only bring so much power... The person still determines exactly how much more powerful they get. Perhaps one of Kreia's many truths is that one must see both sides to appreciate the whole: Almost every 'redeemed' Jedi (Jedi that fell to the Dark Side and later returned to the LS) became very strong, wise, famous (and, in a few more scrupulous cases, I assume rich).

I'm too lazy to read the rest of the posts, and I love messing things up, so I'll ruin the whole game for you in one fell swoop: You choose what happened to Revan (gender, alignment). If he/she was LS, then he vanishes before Korriban is cleaned up, leaving a few Sith left in the galaxy. If he/she was DS, then he/she leaves before the remnants of the Sith are totally united. Either way, Korriban kills itself off, except for the new Sith Lords. I won't say too much more. If Revan was evil, then the Star Forge looses its master when he vanishes, and nobody else is strong enough to operate it. All who try, get devoured by it. His origins are as of now a mystery. HK was blown up, again, and scattered around the galaxy. You buy the pieces over the whole game, but he still has a hard time remembering much of anything because of the damage done to him. Bastila: If Revan was LS Male, then she tells T3 to go with him. If something happens to him, then she tells T3 to find a Jedi and go in search of him. You eventually see her chatting it up w/ Admiral Carth Onasi towards the end of the game, distraught because they don't know where he is. If Revan was DS, then you find a recording by her on Korriban, talking of how the Sith are killing eachother without a strong leader, and that she's sick of waiting for him, and how she's going out to hunt him down, since she only wants to serve him. Yoda-like character: Dies on Katarr, a Mirukala (sp?) world, where the last Jedi Council met. All life on the planet was 'mysteriously' wiped out. Any more specific questions?

They weren't literally created out of thin air on Deck 2, I really hope you know... (BTW, if you're serious, then no, the Star Forge did not create Jedi out of thin air. Malak ordered every friggin Dark Jedi on the Star Forge after Revan... a perfectly good waste of Sith, if you ask me. No wonder Revan left if he was DS: only Bastila was left to obey his ever command (although, I suppose that wouldn't have been so bad... ))

Ah! Flashbacks!