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Politics 2017 Act 6

Politics 2017

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https://www.washingt...m=.b1e7bb6fb436

"President Trump revealed highly classified information to the Russian foreign minister and ambassador in a White House meeting last week, according to current and former U.S. officials, who said that Trump’s disclosures jeopardized a critical source of intelligence on the Islamic State.
The information Trump relayed had been provided by a U.S. partner through an intelligence-sharing arrangement considered so sensitive that details have been withheld from allies and tightly restricted even within the U.S. government, officials said.
The partner had not given the United States permission to share the material with Russia, and officials said that Trump’s decision to do so risks cooperation from an ally that has access to the inner workings of the Islamic State. After Trump’s meeting, senior White House officials took steps to contain the damage, placing calls to the CIA and National Security Agency.
“This is code-word information,” said a U.S. official familiar with the matter, using terminology that refers to one of the highest classification levels used by American spy agencies. Trump “revealed more information to the Russian ambassador than we have shared with our own allies.”"

Trump seems to go by old saying "keep friends away and enemies closer"


Technically, wouldn't this be Trump team collusion with the Russian government?

But hey, he's POTUS and as such can declassify and reveal whatever Intel he wants.

 

well, there was a single journalist in the room at the time o' the meeting, so perhaps we could ask him what actual happened.  

 

...

 

'course he is a russian photographer working for russian state-run media.  no american journalist were allowed in the room. 

 

who coulda' possible seen this kinda thing happening? with numerous wh leaks and accusations o' collusion 'tween the trump campaign and the russians, is utter shocking such a meeting, at this time, might result in bad press for the wh.

 

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Edited by Gromnir, 15 May 2017 - 03:35 PM.

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Certainly believable he'd reveal something by bragging.

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http://time.com/4779...y-donald-trump/

 

first candidate to withdraw.  doubt is the last. find successor for vacated fbi director spot could very easy look like an attempt to fill the cleveland browns head coach job.  don't be surprised when the sheriff from etowah county alabama preemptive takes self out of the running.

 

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Edited by Gromnir, 15 May 2017 - 04:46 PM.


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Lock them all up.



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https://www.washingt...m=.b1e7bb6fb436

"President Trump revealed highly classified information to the Russian foreign minister and ambassador in a White House meeting last week, according to current and former U.S. officials, who said that Trump’s disclosures jeopardized a critical source of intelligence on the Islamic State.
The information Trump relayed had been provided by a U.S. partner through an intelligence-sharing arrangement considered so sensitive that details have been withheld from allies and tightly restricted even within the U.S. government, officials said.
The partner had not given the United States permission to share the material with Russia, and officials said that Trump’s decision to do so risks cooperation from an ally that has access to the inner workings of the Islamic State. After Trump’s meeting, senior White House officials took steps to contain the damage, placing calls to the CIA and National Security Agency.
“This is code-word information,” said a U.S. official familiar with the matter, using terminology that refers to one of the highest classification levels used by American spy agencies. Trump “revealed more information to the Russian ambassador than we have shared with our own allies.”"

Trump seems to go by old saying "keep friends away and enemies closer"


Wrong thread mate. Should be in alternative facts.

http://www.breitbart...t-didnt-happen/

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https://www.washingt...m=.b1e7bb6fb436

"President Trump revealed highly classified information to the Russian foreign minister and ambassador in a White House meeting last week, according to current and former U.S. officials, who said that Trump’s disclosures jeopardized a critical source of intelligence on the Islamic State.
The information Trump relayed had been provided by a U.S. partner through an intelligence-sharing arrangement considered so sensitive that details have been withheld from allies and tightly restricted even within the U.S. government, officials said.
The partner had not given the United States permission to share the material with Russia, and officials said that Trump’s decision to do so risks cooperation from an ally that has access to the inner workings of the Islamic State. After Trump’s meeting, senior White House officials took steps to contain the damage, placing calls to the CIA and National Security Agency.
“This is code-word information,” said a U.S. official familiar with the matter, using terminology that refers to one of the highest classification levels used by American spy agencies. Trump “revealed more information to the Russian ambassador than we have shared with our own allies.”"

Trump seems to go by old saying "keep friends away and enemies closer"

Wrong thread mate. Should be in alternative facts.

http://www.breitbart...t-didnt-happen/

So, the investigative reporters found one explanation, and Breitbar newspaper, an other. And Breitbarts debunk is half a paragraph. And Breitbart has obvious ties to Trump. Are we supposed to belive you?

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https://www.washingt...m=.b1e7bb6fb436

"President Trump revealed highly classified information to the Russian foreign minister and ambassador in a White House meeting last week, according to current and former U.S. officials, who said that Trump’s disclosures jeopardized a critical source of intelligence on the Islamic State.
The information Trump relayed had been provided by a U.S. partner through an intelligence-sharing arrangement considered so sensitive that details have been withheld from allies and tightly restricted even within the U.S. government, officials said.
The partner had not given the United States permission to share the material with Russia, and officials said that Trump’s decision to do so risks cooperation from an ally that has access to the inner workings of the Islamic State. After Trump’s meeting, senior White House officials took steps to contain the damage, placing calls to the CIA and National Security Agency.
“This is code-word information,” said a U.S. official familiar with the matter, using terminology that refers to one of the highest classification levels used by American spy agencies. Trump “revealed more information to the Russian ambassador than we have shared with our own allies.”"

Trump seems to go by old saying "keep friends away and enemies closer"


Wrong thread mate. Should be in alternative facts.

http://www.breitbart...t-didnt-happen/

 

 

Per NBC News' Brad Jaffy, pay attention to what McMaster actually tried to refute. "At no time were sources or methods discussed." The reporting never mentioned Trump revealing the sources or methods. That's a classic Red Herring.

 

Additionally, the Washington Post reporters vetted the reporting directly with Administration and/or Intelligence officials who specifically requested that the newspaper not publish certain specific details on account of national security. They wouldn't do that unless the reporting was correct. The Editorial board wouldn't give the green light to publish this story unless multiple reliable sources confirmed the reporting.

 

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"The story that came out tonight was false" seems pretty unequivocal, as does "I was in the room, it didn't happen." Both of those are direct quotes from McMaster as well, from the beginning and end of his brief statement. The first one doesn't have any potential qualifiers either. Frankly, if all Trump did was mention a city then it's literally nothing since you could count the number of cities ISIS controls on one hand even if you'd had an unpleasant accident manually loading an industrial mincer.

 

There's also a consistency problem. Papers like the WaPo have claimed that Trump isn't a 'detail' man and have even said that he doesn't take intelligence briefings, neither of which meshes well with him giving away information likely to compromise sources. That requires the knowledge of both details and having been briefed on them.

 

Given that the US and UK received the intelligence it's almost certainly of Jordanian origin (plus their intelligence service is actually competent and they aren't carte blanche jihadi lovers unlike most of the other suspects), and their reasons for not wanting it disclosed equally likely has its roots in not wanting retribution from the far richer countries whose airlines have been targeted in response.



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https://www.washingt...m=.b1e7bb6fb436

"President Trump revealed highly classified information to the Russian foreign minister and ambassador in a White House meeting last week, according to current and former U.S. officials, who said that Trump’s disclosures jeopardized a critical source of intelligence on the Islamic State.
The information Trump relayed had been provided by a U.S. partner through an intelligence-sharing arrangement considered so sensitive that details have been withheld from allies and tightly restricted even within the U.S. government, officials said.
The partner had not given the United States permission to share the material with Russia, and officials said that Trump’s decision to do so risks cooperation from an ally that has access to the inner workings of the Islamic State. After Trump’s meeting, senior White House officials took steps to contain the damage, placing calls to the CIA and National Security Agency.
“This is code-word information,” said a U.S. official familiar with the matter, using terminology that refers to one of the highest classification levels used by American spy agencies. Trump “revealed more information to the Russian ambassador than we have shared with our own allies.”"

Trump seems to go by old saying "keep friends away and enemies closer"


Wrong thread mate. Should be in alternative facts.

http://www.breitbart...t-didnt-happen/

 

 

Per NBC News' Brad Jaffy, pay attention to what McMaster actually tried to refute. "At no time were sources or methods discussed." The reporting never mentioned Trump revealing the sources or methods. That's a classic Red Herring.

 

Additionally, the Washington Post reporters vetted the reporting directly with Administration and/or Intelligence officials who specifically requested that the newspaper not publish certain specific details on account of national security. They wouldn't do that unless the reporting was correct. The Editorial board wouldn't give the green light to publish this story unless multiple reliable sources confirmed the reporting.

 

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this is a potential fubar moment for the President.

 

if the city name where an operation is taking place and other details is too sensitive to be disclosed by the washington post, then the President shouldna' have disclosed to the russians.

 

if such details is not particular sensitive, then is no reason for the wh or the washington post to keep such details unspoken.  

 

within a couple o' days, is gonna become quite apparent if there were a breach by the President. silence by wh regarding details will be damning. washington post is sitting on a potential powder keg as eventual somebody is gonna wanna subpoena them, particular if the wh does remain silent. 

 

the terse wh response thus far is not a condemnation by any means.  is quite possible this story could be nothing save for yet another example o' the predictable bad judgment o' the President. having such a close-door meeting with russian diplomats and russian state journalism present, given the current p00p storm regarding the comey firing and the ongoing russian-trump campaign collusion investigation, were curious even before the washington post story. 

 

could be nothing.  or...

 

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There's also a consistency problem. Papers like the WaPo have claimed that Trump isn't a 'detail' man and have even said that he doesn't take intelligence briefings, neither of which meshes well with him giving away information likely to compromise sources. That requires the knowledge of both details and having been briefed on them.

 

You don't necessary need to give much of details to compromise sensitive source.

 

General details like type of action and general area in world may be enough in some cases as there isn't that many actors in that area of world with ability to give that type of intelligence. Because Russia and other players have their own intelligence gathering efforts that let them fulfill missing pieces fast when they get general direction where to look. So bragging, for example, about such intelligence actually tells that bragger most likely has not actually listened details abut intelligence briefings and isn't very detail oriented and up to date about things.



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I am sorry but what did he shared with Russia? Sounds like some info about terrorists? That doesn't sound bad at all?

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I am sorry but what did he shared with Russia? Sounds like some info about terrorists? That doesn't sound bad at all?


I guess the concern was his carelessness in doing so. Odd thing to use to show what a big man he is, etc.

Trump must be great at poker. :p

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So it turns out Seth Rich, the DNC staffer who was murdered during the election madness last year, had been passing info to Wikileaks: http://www.fox5dc.co...254852337-story

 

Trump compromising intelligence to the Russians, the Democrats having their own people murdered (granted neither is 100% provable but if you can believe one why not the other). Hoon Ding was right. Lock them all up.

 

Don't blame me. I voted for Johnson.


Edited by Guard Dog, 16 May 2017 - 03:54 AM.


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I am sorry but what did he shared with Russia? Sounds like some info about terrorists? That doesn't sound bad at all?

 

Hard to say as it is classified in such extend that USA doesn't share it with their so called allies.

 

 

As President I wanted to share with Russia (at an openly scheduled W.H. meeting) which I have the absolute right to do, facts pertaining....

https://twitter.com/...tiset/3-9615503

 

...to terrorism and airline flight safety. Humanitarian reasons, plus I want Russia to greatly step up their fight against ISIS & terrorism.

https://twitter.com/...tiset/3-9615503



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So what is that big fuss, he told Russia who/were the badies are in Syria and its wrong why? Its seems like big win for USA as they don't have to get their hands dirty while russians just don't give a f*ck and will just murderkill them

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So what is that big fuss, he told Russia who/were the badies are in Syria and its wrong why? Its seems like big win for USA as they don't have to get their hands dirty while russians just don't give a f*ck and will just murderkill them

 

I would guess that it is because of these parts and that people don't know what was actually shared as it is highly classified.

 

"The partner had not given the United States permission to share the material with Russia, and officials said that Trump’s decision to do so risks cooperation from an ally"

 

"“This is code-word information,” said a U.S. official familiar with the matter, using terminology that refers to one of the highest classification levels used by American spy agencies. Trump “revealed more information to the Russian ambassador than we have shared with our own allies.”"

 

Also it may play in that Russia is ally with Syrians (Syrian government) that USA and even Trump generally counts to be bad guys, so there is always question what intel you can give to state that fights against your agenda in the region that intel is about.

 

But mainly I would suspect that fuss is about timing of and events themselves leading to this. In other words fuss is because of sum of things not because of singular thing.



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So what is that big fuss, he told Russia who/were the badies are in Syria and its wrong why? Its seems like big win for USA as they don't have to get their hands dirty while russians just don't give a f*ck and will just murderkill them

Also it may play in that Russia is ally with Syrians (Syrian government) that USA and even Trump generally counts to be bad guys, so there is always question what intel you can give to state that fights against your agenda in the region that intel is about.


its just charade for public at this point, everyone knows that Assad is going to stay as there is no other reasonable option. He is only secular option and everyone knows it and no-one can afford another fundamentalist government in that area. US will not say it publicly but support to rebels is going to end, only Kurds might still be supported depending on talks with Erdogan.

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So it turns out Seth Rich, the DNC staffer who was murdered during the election madness last year, had been passing info to Wikileaks: http://www.fox5dc.co...254852337-story

Trump compromising intelligence to the Russians, the Democrats having their own people murdered (granted neither is 100% provable but if you can believe one why not the other). Hoon Ding was right. Lock them all up.

Don't blame me. I voted for Johnson.


Interesting power the DNC has as opposed to the US government. Wikileaks sources usually get everyone wanting them dead (Manning for example, and hey they sort of got close).

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So it turns out Seth Rich, the DNC staffer who was murdered during the election madness last year, had been passing info to Wikileaks: http://www.fox5dc.co...254852337-story

Trump compromising intelligence to the Russians, the Democrats having their own people murdered (granted neither is 100% provable but if you can believe one why not the other). Hoon Ding was right. Lock them all up.

Don't blame me. I voted for Johnson.


Interesting power the DNC has as opposed to the US government. Wikileaks sources usually get everyone wanting them dead (Manning for example, and hey they sort of got close).


yeah, where is Assagne now is also still unsolved mystery

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And so the denial backtracking begins...

 

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