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Yesterday I was watching Xmen 2 where Kelly Hu portraits the really sweet and likeable Yuriko Oyama aka Lady Deathstrike.
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The film progresses very nicely and offers some beautiful Alaskan nature scenery until the obviously women-hating and violent Logan
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aka Wolverine runs in to Yuriko.


And what does he do? Does he bother to talk to her, find out more about what an intriguing personality she is? Does he ask about how it was like growing up in a patriarchic society where the only way to accomplishing a life for a strong woman is to become some dodgy mastervillains sidekick? Does he even stop to think that behind those razorsharp adamantium claws, theres a woman with thoughts and feelings of her own?

-No, he chooses violence as his direct path of communication. He beats her, throws her into things, drowns her and even stabs her repeatedly. And when realising he cannot kill her with regular means he uses the very obvious sexual assault metaphor of penetrating her with a phallic object and filling her up with somekind of deadly metallic seemen and thereby killing her.


First I was just really sad because the character I liked the most with died, but then I was just angry and apalled that this kind of blatantly misogynistic message is allowed in our day and age. And this isnt the first film where Ive seen this kind of behaviour either.



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I thought they did have a chat before trying to kill each other? Now, I could be confusing what I've known from comics and from when I saw the movie, but wasn't it revealed that Lady Deathstrike and Wolverine had some sort of history?
It's been awhile so I could be confused on some things.

Not that your observations aren't apt or without merit. I think a good example is the fight between Ah-nold and the Terminatrix in T3 in which he gleefully thrusts her head into a toilet (a scene, which by his personal account, was one of his favourites in the film).

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Phosphor, in the movie, Deathstrike has one line ("Why are you here?", said to the "janitor"). In fact, I don't think they even call her Deathstrike in the film, just Yuriko.

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Thanks for clarifying it. I've obviously confused different situations.

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uh, this is a movie about comic book heroes... they're always stereotypical and it really doesn't make a difference if it is a female or male villain (well, the end result doesn't... methods may depend on gender for sure). their "movitivations" are usually superficial at best and that is intentional. i.e. woman hating wolverine runs into bad chick deathstrike and rather than delve into some deep psychodrama, he goes straight for the kill because that's what he's supposed to do.

this is actually part of the reason i've never really gotten into comic books... not that this is good or bad in general, it's just not an appealing thing to me.

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I heard somewhere that Mr.Jackman likes getting beat up women. It turns him on apparently.
I wonder if killing women does that to him as well.

uh, this is a movie about comic book heroes... they're always stereotypical and it really doesn't make a difference if it is a female or male villain (well, the end result doesn't... methods may depend on gender for sure). their "movitivations" are usually superficial at best and that is intentional. i.e. woman hating wolverine runs into bad chick deathstrike and rather than delve into some deep psychodrama, he goes straight for the kill because that's what he's supposed to do.


That basically explains it.

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Yesterday I was watching Xmen 2 where Kelly Hu portraits the really sweet and likeable Yuriko Oyama aka Lady Deathstrike.
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The film progresses very nicely and offers some beautiful Alaskan nature scenery until the obviously women-hating and violent Logan
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aka Wolverine runs in to Yuriko.


And what does he do? Does he bother to talk to her, find out more about what an intriguing personality she is? Does he ask about how it was like growing up in a patriarchic society where the only way to accomplishing a life for a strong woman is to become some dodgy mastervillains sidekick? Does he even stop to think that behind those razorsharp adamantium claws, theres a woman with thoughts and feelings of her own?

-No, he chooses violence as his direct path of communication. He beats her, throws her into things, drowns her and even stabs her repeatedly. And when realising he cannot kill her with regular means he uses the very obvious sexual assault metaphor of penetrating her with a phallic object and filling her up with somekind of deadly metallic seemen and thereby killing her.


First I was just really sad because the character I liked the most with died, but then I was just angry and apalled that this kind of blatantly misogynistic message is allowed in our day and age. And this isnt the first film where Ive seen this kind of behaviour either.



(topic authors level of seriousness may vary, but still wishes hefty arguments will occur around matter)

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Um...wasn't she under mind control so he didn't really have a choice?


uh, this is a movie about comic book heroes... they're always stereotypical and it really doesn't make a difference if it is a female or male villain (well, the end result doesn't... methods may depend on gender for sure).  their "movitivations" are usually superficial at best and that is intentional.  i.e. woman hating wolverine runs into bad chick deathstrike and rather than delve into some deep psychodrama, he goes straight for the kill because that's what he's supposed to do.

this is actually part of the reason i've never really gotten into comic books... not that this is good or bad in general, it's just not an appealing thing to me.

taks

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You should try reading Hellboy. It's a lot deeper than most comic books, and actually has quite a bit of character relationships and drama. :shifty:

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I just dont understand why they always have to kill the female villain in such gruesome and imaginative ways? In that film with Jackie Chan and the black guy, he impales Zhang Zhiyi on a statue or similar.


I always cheer on the villains(especially the female ones) and it just breaks poor little heart when they have to kill them all the time. Itd be alot more fun if the male hero runs away with the female badgirl instead of expediting her in the most extravagant way possible.


And why do the girls always have to die extra hard? The bad guy is usually shot or falls of a building or something but the girls always gets it Death Supersize

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And why do the girls always have to die extra hard? The bad guy is usually shot or falls of a building or something but the girls always gets it Death Supersize

Go down to your local library and search for the topics male insecurity, violence, adrenaline and sexual stimulation. There ought to be several shelves of books...

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Honestly Ive never noticed what youre talking about with the female stereotyping in X-men 2. But, then again Im a guy.

But, if you want to talk about black people, they have always seemed to have it worse. If you have a Sci-Fi, Action Killer or Horror (especially these) movie, etc whos the first person to die? Its always the black character. This has been toned down recently, but nevertheless the black person is usually the sacrificial lamb in movies.

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well, spawn is a black guy... he made out pretty well. if you call being a hellspawn good i suppose. he's doing good things, kinda, in a screwed up sort of way at least.

I just dont understand why they always have to kill the female villain in such gruesome and imaginative ways?

well, for a male hero to kill a male villain in some sick sexual manner makes even less sense if you think about it. however, even with that, they are not alone in this sense. how many tiimes does the villain try some gruesome manner of death for bond? how about with austin powers and the laser beam up the crotch idea? granted, these don't come to fruition, but the parallel is still there.

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You all need to keep in mind this is all fiction.

In the real world a female villian would always win. :shifty:

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You all need to keep in mind this is all fiction.

In the real world a female villian would always win.  :-

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Utter Nonsense. <_<

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then again the female heroines are often saving hte day in X2 anyhow and their characters are the best developed except for professor Xavier

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You all need to keep in mind this is all fiction.

In the real world a female villian would always win.  :p

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Utter Nonsense. <_<

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If you wish to delude yourself thusly :p

Women would always win because men are easy to distract. :shifty:

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"And what does he do? Does he bother to talk to her, find out more about what an intriguing personality she is? Does he ask about how it was like growing up in a patriarchic society where the only way to accomplishing a life for a strong woman is to become some dodgy mastervillains sidekick? Does he even stop to think that behind those razorsharp adamantium claws, theres a woman with thoughts and feelings of her own?

-No, he chooses violence as his direct path of communication. He beats her, throws her into things, drowns her and even stabs her repeatedly. And when realising he cannot kill her with regular means he uses the very obvious sexual assault metaphor of penetrating her with a phallic object and filling her up with somekind of deadly metallic seemen and thereby killing her."

first of all .. extremely well written! lmao .. :p

but guys are guys .. if some chicks comes along with the same abilities as you, and do the things you do .. but much better .. of course you have to kill her! I mean she's basically castrating you!

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I mean she's basically castrating you!

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As it should be :p

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Women would always win because men are easy to distract.  :p

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until you meet a homosexual, then your dead! :D

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Women would always win because men are easy to distract.  :shifty:

Yes, damn those tight fitting cat suits. I knew there was a sinister purpose for them dressing like that... :p

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or an ugly chick then no distraction




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