dunehunter Posted April 1, 2018 Share Posted April 1, 2018 Which one do you prefer? I personally like POE 1 version just because the effect is more generic. Now this talent only serve spells/abilities with keywords fire. Any lash or other fire damage things like firebrand is not affected. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theBalthazar Posted April 1, 2018 Share Posted April 1, 2018 Penetration + 1 is always ... difficult to estimate. So, I prefer the bonus of POE1, more simple to understand directly. An other solution was to do : +5 % bonus damage +1 penetration 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dunehunter Posted April 1, 2018 Author Share Posted April 1, 2018 The new talent is purely rely on keyword, so if there are some weapon doing fire damage or some abilities doing fire damage, but without fire keyword, then sorry scion of flame won’t work. This is the reason I like PoE 1 Version better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndreaColombo Posted April 1, 2018 Share Posted April 1, 2018 Ah, that sucks. Gotta test whether Firebrand and Wildstrike have the keywords. "Time is not your enemy. Forever is." — Fall-From-Grace, Planescape: Torment "It's the questions we can't answer that teach us the most. They teach us how to think. If you give a man an answer, all he gains is a little fact. But give him a question, and he'll look for his own answers." — Kvothe, The Wise Man's Fears My Deadfire mods: Brilliant Mod | Faster Deadfire | Deadfire Unnerfed | Helwalker Rekke | Permanent Per-Rest Bonuses | PoE Items for Deadfire | No Recyled Icons | Soul Charged Nautilus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dunehunter Posted April 1, 2018 Author Share Posted April 1, 2018 Ah, that sucks. Gotta test whether Firebrand and Wildstrike have the keywords. Not for wild strike at least. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndreaColombo Posted April 1, 2018 Share Posted April 1, 2018 That’s pretty bad. "Time is not your enemy. Forever is." — Fall-From-Grace, Planescape: Torment "It's the questions we can't answer that teach us the most. They teach us how to think. If you give a man an answer, all he gains is a little fact. But give him a question, and he'll look for his own answers." — Kvothe, The Wise Man's Fears My Deadfire mods: Brilliant Mod | Faster Deadfire | Deadfire Unnerfed | Helwalker Rekke | Permanent Per-Rest Bonuses | PoE Items for Deadfire | No Recyled Icons | Soul Charged Nautilus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boeroer Posted April 1, 2018 Share Posted April 1, 2018 (edited) FoD has it. Bleak Walker's FoD even has Fire, Acid and can get +2 PEN from Scion of Flame + Spirit of Decay. I know of no other ability which has two or even three elemental keywords, but maybe there are some. Kalakoth's Minor Blights won't work I guess. Edited April 1, 2018 by Boeroer Deadfire Community Patch: Nexus Mods Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enoch Posted April 1, 2018 Share Posted April 1, 2018 Do the Deadfire element-bonus talents affect Damage-over-Time abilities? If they've tied this clearly to the keyword system, then I might prefer Deadfire's. Clarity is good, and, conceptually, it never made much sense that a character Talent made flaming swords more flaming. How many posts have we seen on forums like these asking about the scope of these abilities, often getting surprising answers (such as with DoTs, as mentioned above)? While it is certainly true that a narrower scope makes the ability less advantageous to the player, I have to assume (at this point) that effort has been put into balancing abilities against each other. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hilfazer Posted April 1, 2018 Share Posted April 1, 2018 How many posts have we seen on forums like these asking about the scope of these abilities, often getting surprising answers (such as with DoTs, as mentioned above)? DOTs were only surprising because of a bug. They were boosted by ele talents by design which is not suprising at all. Vancian =/= per rest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndreaColombo Posted April 1, 2018 Share Posted April 1, 2018 Kalakoth's Minor Blights won't work I guess. Another major bummer. This has to be an oversight or a huge chunk of these talents' appeal is out the window. "Time is not your enemy. Forever is." — Fall-From-Grace, Planescape: Torment "It's the questions we can't answer that teach us the most. They teach us how to think. If you give a man an answer, all he gains is a little fact. But give him a question, and he'll look for his own answers." — Kvothe, The Wise Man's Fears My Deadfire mods: Brilliant Mod | Faster Deadfire | Deadfire Unnerfed | Helwalker Rekke | Permanent Per-Rest Bonuses | PoE Items for Deadfire | No Recyled Icons | Soul Charged Nautilus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theBalthazar Posted April 1, 2018 Share Posted April 1, 2018 (edited) There is definitely a problem with Stacking Rules and extended concept of logic. In short, i there is a source of fire damage, +1 penetration is possible with scion of flame. It is logic. Nobody will understand if there are "exceptions". to shorten the possibilities in a deliberate way with Stacking rules is one thing, not to respect the rules that one has to fix oneself is another. Edited April 1, 2018 by theBalthazar 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boeroer Posted April 2, 2018 Share Posted April 2, 2018 (edited) How many posts have we seen on forums like these asking about the scope of these abilities, often getting surprising answers (such as with DoTs, as mentioned above)? DOTs were only surprising because of a bug. They were boosted by ele talents by design which is not suprising at all. Eh? DoTs don't profit from elemental talents in PoE. Nor do they from crit damage bonus like Merciless Hand or hater talents like Wilder Hunter. If that's intended or not is still a mystery. Edited April 2, 2018 by Boeroer Deadfire Community Patch: Nexus Mods Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boeroer Posted April 2, 2018 Share Posted April 2, 2018 Kalakoth's Minor Blights won't work I guess. Another major bummer. This has to be an oversight or a huge chunk of these talents' appeal is out the window. I didn't test it. Just a guess. Deadfire Community Patch: Nexus Mods Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dunehunter Posted April 2, 2018 Author Share Posted April 2, 2018 Also I have no idea the Counters do, a lot fire spells have Counters: Water, Frost, but does it do anything? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harlath Posted April 2, 2018 Share Posted April 2, 2018 I like the Keyword use with abilities, makes things transparent. However, as noted above by others +1 penetration makes it difficult for players to see and judge the impact of during play. I think it might be better to give a small % damage increase, similar to Pillars of Eternity. Also thumbs up for adding more passive abilities and giving players more options on how to build their charcters! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MadDemiurg Posted April 2, 2018 Share Posted April 2, 2018 I honestly think they should be buffed to +2. There are generalist talents that buff all weapon attacks or all spell attacks by +1. +1 to a specific element is.... limiting and not worth it. That been said, multi element attacks should benefit from only one of these bonuses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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