Terminator Posted March 15, 2018 Posted March 15, 2018 (edited) If shots are fired Kim will fight like the third monkey on the ramp to Noah's Ark, He has to figure once shooting starts nothing short of regime change will suffice. And he's right. If would be a waste of blood and treasure to fight any conflict that leaves him in power. So unless we're going to go all the way, don't go at all. Better to take the latter option, He can stay in power until he dies for all I care. As long as he stays on his side of the DMZ everything is fine. Now the trick is making HIM understand that. Yes but Northkorea nuclear threat grows every year. North Korea has also shown that if their leader dies then they get a new tyrant on the throne. Even if Kim dies of say old age there will be a successor another tyrant. Yes in fact North Korea rich class the upper class millionaires they really exist they can enjoy luxury even in North Korea. However North Korea realistically will remain a dictatorship even if Kim dies of old age. Edited March 15, 2018 by Terminator
Guard Dog Posted March 15, 2018 Posted March 15, 2018 If shots are fired Kim will fight like the third monkey on the ramp to Noah's Ark, He has to figure once shooting starts nothing short of regime change will suffice. And he's right. If would be a waste of blood and treasure to fight any conflict that leaves him in power. So unless we're going to go all the way, don't go at all. Better to take the latter option, He can stay in power until he dies for all I care. As long as he stays on his side of the DMZ everything is fine. Now the trick is making HIM understand that. Yeah, f*ck those gulaged millions of people as long as they are not dying on my yard Then give me a solution that does not end with tens of thousands, maybe hundreds of thousands of South Koreans killed in artillery barrages that will likely level Seoul in the 10-12 hours it will take for US air power to silence them. Or, God forbid they actually get a nuclear weapon into play. We are quite safe here despite his boasts but SK & Japan are not. "While it is true you learn with age, the down side is what you often learn is what a damn fool you were before" Thomas Sowell
Terminator Posted March 15, 2018 Posted March 15, 2018 (edited) If shots are fired Kim will fight like the third monkey on the ramp to Noah's Ark, He has to figure once shooting starts nothing short of regime change will suffice. And he's right. If would be a waste of blood and treasure to fight any conflict that leaves him in power. So unless we're going to go all the way, don't go at all. Better to take the latter option, He can stay in power until he dies for all I care. As long as he stays on his side of the DMZ everything is fine. Now the trick is making HIM understand that. Yeah, f*ck those gulaged millions of people as long as they are not dying on my yard Then give me a solution that does not end with tens of thousands, maybe hundreds of thousands of South Koreans killed in artillery barrages that will likely level Seoul in the 10-12 hours it will take for US air power to silence them. Or, God forbid they actually get a nuclear weapon into play. We are quite safe here despite his boasts but SK & Japan are not. Japan actually have some kind of nuclear defense but yes no nuclear defence is safe or certain defense. Japan would strike NK back and hard and have grown in military power during recent years and Australia has a first military alliance with Japan. Southkorea uhm... they have some forces but are pretty much ****ed if it becomes war that is true unfortunately. Edited March 15, 2018 by Terminator
smjjames Posted March 15, 2018 Posted March 15, 2018 (edited) Except that the previous two had cultivated a definite designated heir, there is no sign that Kim Jong Un has done that yet (he's still young, for one). Sure, theres people that can take his place if he suddenly dies now, but if theres no crown prince, if you will, there could end up being a bloody succession fight. That's the problem with dictatorships, without a designated heir, everybody with some power will want to try and take over. Monarchies have a system for designating who is the heir if the leader suddenly dies without a designated heir, dictatorships generally don't. Edited March 15, 2018 by smjjames
Chilloutman Posted March 15, 2018 Posted March 15, 2018 (edited) If shots are fired Kim will fight like the third monkey on the ramp to Noah's Ark, He has to figure once shooting starts nothing short of regime change will suffice. And he's right. If would be a waste of blood and treasure to fight any conflict that leaves him in power. So unless we're going to go all the way, don't go at all. Better to take the latter option, He can stay in power until he dies for all I care. As long as he stays on his side of the DMZ everything is fine. Now the trick is making HIM understand that. Yeah, f*ck those gulaged millions of people as long as they are not dying on my yard Then give me a solution that does not end with tens of thousands, maybe hundreds of thousands of South Koreans killed in artillery barrages that will likely level Seoul in the 10-12 hours it will take for US air power to silence them. Or, God forbid they actually get a nuclear weapon into play. We are quite safe here despite his boasts but SK & Japan are not. Assassinations and infiltration and heavy propaganda Edited March 15, 2018 by Chilloutman I'm the enemy, 'cause I like to think, I like to read. I'm into freedom of speech, and freedom of choice. I'm the kinda guy that likes to sit in a greasy spoon and wonder, "Gee, should I have the T-bone steak or the jumbo rack of barbecue ribs with the side-order of gravy fries?" I want high cholesterol! I wanna eat bacon, and butter, and buckets of cheese, okay?! I wanna smoke a Cuban cigar the size of Cincinnati in the non-smoking section! I wanna run naked through the street, with green Jell-O all over my body, reading Playboy magazine. Why? Because I suddenly may feel the need to, okay, pal? I've SEEN the future. Do you know what it is? It's a 47-year-old virgin sitting around in his beige pajamas, drinking a banana-broccoli shake, singing "I'm an Oscar Meyer Wiene"
smjjames Posted March 15, 2018 Posted March 15, 2018 (edited) Come on, Kim Jong Un has gotta be like the most secured person on the planet, aside from the POTUS. Plus, with the way that getting intel in NK is so difficult and tracking his movements would be difficult, and there are a billion and one ways that an assassination option would go wrong. Yes, bombing his location is an option, but it's not guaranteed to kill him, and he's going to retreat to his deepest mountain bunker at the first sign of trouble. Sending an assassination team would be a one way suicide mission. Besides, we've disadvowed that practice sine the cold war. Edited March 15, 2018 by smjjames
Gfted1 Posted March 15, 2018 Posted March 15, 2018 The current NK "nuclear talks" is the same dog and pony show they are every previous time; a stall tactic. "I'm your biggest fan, Ill follow you until you love me, Papa"
Chilloutman Posted March 15, 2018 Posted March 15, 2018 Come on, Kim Jong Un has gotta be like the most secured person on the planet, aside from the POTUS. Plus, with the way that getting intel in NK is so difficult and tracking his movements would be difficult, and there are a billion and one ways that an assassination option would go wrong. Yes, bombing his location is an option, but it's not guaranteed to kill him, and he's going to retreat to his deepest mountain bunker at the first sign of trouble. doubt it, he is surrounded by people who would gladly stick knife in his back to took over, its just fear holding them. Just put in some cracks in his (Kim's) image and they will tear him apart. I'm the enemy, 'cause I like to think, I like to read. I'm into freedom of speech, and freedom of choice. I'm the kinda guy that likes to sit in a greasy spoon and wonder, "Gee, should I have the T-bone steak or the jumbo rack of barbecue ribs with the side-order of gravy fries?" I want high cholesterol! I wanna eat bacon, and butter, and buckets of cheese, okay?! I wanna smoke a Cuban cigar the size of Cincinnati in the non-smoking section! I wanna run naked through the street, with green Jell-O all over my body, reading Playboy magazine. Why? Because I suddenly may feel the need to, okay, pal? I've SEEN the future. Do you know what it is? It's a 47-year-old virgin sitting around in his beige pajamas, drinking a banana-broccoli shake, singing "I'm an Oscar Meyer Wiene"
smjjames Posted March 15, 2018 Posted March 15, 2018 If doing so were easy, the US would have done that already.
Malcador Posted March 15, 2018 Posted March 15, 2018 If shots are fired Kim will fight like the third monkey on the ramp to Noah's Ark, He has to figure once shooting starts nothing short of regime change will suffice. And he's right. If would be a waste of blood and treasure to fight any conflict that leaves him in power. So unless we're going to go all the way, don't go at all. Better to take the latter option, He can stay in power until he dies for all I care. As long as he stays on his side of the DMZ everything is fine. Now the trick is making HIM understand that. Yeah, f*ck those gulaged millions of people as long as they are not dying on my yard Then give me a solution that does not end with tens of thousands, maybe hundreds of thousands of South Koreans killed in artillery barrages that will likely level Seoul in the 10-12 hours it will take for US air power to silence them. Or, God forbid they actually get a nuclear weapon into play. We are quite safe here despite his boasts but SK & Japan are not. Assassinations and infiltration and heavy propaganda The former is going to lead to all out war, though Why has elegance found so little following? Elegance has the disadvantage that hard work is needed to achieve it and a good education to appreciate it. - Edsger Wybe Dijkstra
smjjames Posted March 15, 2018 Posted March 15, 2018 If shots are fired Kim will fight like the third monkey on the ramp to Noah's Ark, He has to figure once shooting starts nothing short of regime change will suffice. And he's right. If would be a waste of blood and treasure to fight any conflict that leaves him in power. So unless we're going to go all the way, don't go at all. Better to take the latter option, He can stay in power until he dies for all I care. As long as he stays on his side of the DMZ everything is fine. Now the trick is making HIM understand that. Yeah, f*ck those gulaged millions of people as long as they are not dying on my yard Then give me a solution that does not end with tens of thousands, maybe hundreds of thousands of South Koreans killed in artillery barrages that will likely level Seoul in the 10-12 hours it will take for US air power to silence them. Or, God forbid they actually get a nuclear weapon into play. We are quite safe here despite his boasts but SK & Japan are not. Assassinations and infiltration and heavy propaganda The former is going to lead to all out war, though If it's done by external forces, definetly, and if it's from internal factions, it could start a civil war between factions.
HoonDing Posted March 15, 2018 Posted March 15, 2018 (edited) US is of course an expert on infiltration and assassination just look at Bin Laden or teh Yemen operation and what a mess those were they prolly can barely even kill a bug without a nuke Edited March 15, 2018 by HoonDing The ending of the words is ALMSIVI.
Chilloutman Posted March 15, 2018 Posted March 15, 2018 US is of course an expert on infiltration and assassination just look at Bin Laden or teh Yemen operation and what a mess those were Well in NK it can hardly be worse I'm the enemy, 'cause I like to think, I like to read. I'm into freedom of speech, and freedom of choice. I'm the kinda guy that likes to sit in a greasy spoon and wonder, "Gee, should I have the T-bone steak or the jumbo rack of barbecue ribs with the side-order of gravy fries?" I want high cholesterol! I wanna eat bacon, and butter, and buckets of cheese, okay?! I wanna smoke a Cuban cigar the size of Cincinnati in the non-smoking section! I wanna run naked through the street, with green Jell-O all over my body, reading Playboy magazine. Why? Because I suddenly may feel the need to, okay, pal? I've SEEN the future. Do you know what it is? It's a 47-year-old virgin sitting around in his beige pajamas, drinking a banana-broccoli shake, singing "I'm an Oscar Meyer Wiene"
Gfted1 Posted March 15, 2018 Posted March 15, 2018 We only hear about the mistakes. /winkywinky 2 "I'm your biggest fan, Ill follow you until you love me, Papa"
Malcador Posted March 15, 2018 Posted March 15, 2018 US is of course an expert on infiltration and assassination just look at Bin Laden or teh Yemen operation and what a mess those were Well in NK it can hardly be worse But if they make a mess of it, then it's war. Really is the same even if they pull off a series of Silent Assassin kills, anyway. No real military option unless the US comes up with some super blitzkrieg. Why has elegance found so little following? Elegance has the disadvantage that hard work is needed to achieve it and a good education to appreciate it. - Edsger Wybe Dijkstra
Guard Dog Posted March 15, 2018 Posted March 15, 2018 Assassinations and infiltration and heavy propaganda Let's assume that works. It does down one of two way. Either someone else takes over and we trade one despot for another. Or the country falls apart and it's chaos with side dish of factional civil war. Neither gets the people in the gulag out. "While it is true you learn with age, the down side is what you often learn is what a damn fool you were before" Thomas Sowell
HoonDing Posted March 15, 2018 Posted March 15, 2018 Trump will sooner get some VX in the ketchup on his steak The ending of the words is ALMSIVI.
Chilloutman Posted March 15, 2018 Posted March 15, 2018 Assassinations and infiltration and heavy propaganda Let's assume that works. It does down one of two way. Either someone else takes over and we trade one despot for another. Or the country falls apart and it's chaos with side dish of factional civil war. Neither gets the people in the gulag out. Civil war would close down gulags fast. With your way of thinking there will never be change in NK I'm the enemy, 'cause I like to think, I like to read. I'm into freedom of speech, and freedom of choice. I'm the kinda guy that likes to sit in a greasy spoon and wonder, "Gee, should I have the T-bone steak or the jumbo rack of barbecue ribs with the side-order of gravy fries?" I want high cholesterol! I wanna eat bacon, and butter, and buckets of cheese, okay?! I wanna smoke a Cuban cigar the size of Cincinnati in the non-smoking section! I wanna run naked through the street, with green Jell-O all over my body, reading Playboy magazine. Why? Because I suddenly may feel the need to, okay, pal? I've SEEN the future. Do you know what it is? It's a 47-year-old virgin sitting around in his beige pajamas, drinking a banana-broccoli shake, singing "I'm an Oscar Meyer Wiene"
Malcador Posted March 15, 2018 Posted March 15, 2018 We only hear about the mistakes. /winkywinky Well, we also hear about the (potentially fake) successes when every SEAL publishes a book Why has elegance found so little following? Elegance has the disadvantage that hard work is needed to achieve it and a good education to appreciate it. - Edsger Wybe Dijkstra
smjjames Posted March 15, 2018 Posted March 15, 2018 (edited) Let's assume that works. It does down one of two way. Either someone else takes over and we trade one despot for another. Or the country falls apart and it's chaos with side dish of factional civil war. Neither gets the people in the gulag out. Assassinations and infiltration and heavy propaganda Civil war would close down gulags fast. With your way of thinking there will never be change in NK Do you have any 100% guarantee of that? There will be disruption for a while, that's true, but whoever comes out on top could be just as bad, or worse. Various countries could try to support their preferred strongman (or woman), but I don't think theres anyplace that has had a track record of doing that and having it succeed towards democracy almost all the time. edit: culling quote pyramid. edit2: quotes got screwed up, but not bothering to fix it here Edited March 15, 2018 by smjjames
Gfted1 Posted March 15, 2018 Posted March 15, 2018 Well, we also hear about the (potentially fake) successes when every SEAL publishes a book I honestly cant believe they let him even talk about it. The "celebrity" seems to be going to his head too. He recently got thrown off a flight and demoted. "I'm your biggest fan, Ill follow you until you love me, Papa"
Chilloutman Posted March 15, 2018 Posted March 15, 2018 Let's assume that works. It does down one of two way. Either someone else takes over and we trade one despot for another. Or the country falls apart and it's chaos with side dish of factional civil war. Neither gets the people in the gulag out. Assassinations and infiltration and heavy propaganda Civil war would close down gulags fast. With your way of thinking there will never be change in NK Do you have any 100% guarantee of that? There will be disruption for a while, that's true, but whoever comes out on top could be just as bad, or worse. Various countries could try to support their preferred strongman (or woman), but I don't think theres anyplace that has had a track record of doing that and having it succeed towards democracy almost all the time. edit: culling quote pyramid. edit2: quotes got screwed up, but not bothering to fix it here Yes, I am 99% sure. Guards would be too busy fighting each other to keep people in I'm the enemy, 'cause I like to think, I like to read. I'm into freedom of speech, and freedom of choice. I'm the kinda guy that likes to sit in a greasy spoon and wonder, "Gee, should I have the T-bone steak or the jumbo rack of barbecue ribs with the side-order of gravy fries?" I want high cholesterol! I wanna eat bacon, and butter, and buckets of cheese, okay?! I wanna smoke a Cuban cigar the size of Cincinnati in the non-smoking section! I wanna run naked through the street, with green Jell-O all over my body, reading Playboy magazine. Why? Because I suddenly may feel the need to, okay, pal? I've SEEN the future. Do you know what it is? It's a 47-year-old virgin sitting around in his beige pajamas, drinking a banana-broccoli shake, singing "I'm an Oscar Meyer Wiene"
smjjames Posted March 15, 2018 Posted March 15, 2018 And when whoever comes out on top reinstates those gulags? Ending up with another dictator who applies the same conditions isn't progress no matter how you slice it.
PK htiw klaw eriF Posted March 15, 2018 Posted March 15, 2018 If shots are fired Kim will fight like the third monkey on the ramp to Noah's Ark, He has to figure once shooting starts nothing short of regime change will suffice. And he's right. If would be a waste of blood and treasure to fight any conflict that leaves him in power. So unless we're going to go all the way, don't go at all. Better to take the latter option, He can stay in power until he dies for all I care. As long as he stays on his side of the DMZ everything is fine. Now the trick is making HIM understand that. Yeah, f*ck those gulaged millions of people as long as they are not dying on my yard That's exactly how you feel about the middle eastern refugees, why are you getting pissy with GD for being consistent? 2 "Akiva Goldsman and Alex Kurtzman run the 21st century version of MK ULTRA." - majestic "you're a damned filthy lying robot and you deserve to die and burn in hell." - Bartimaeus "Without individual thinking you can't notice the plot holes." - InsaneCommander "Just feed off the suffering of gamers." - Malcador "You are calling my taste crap." -Hurlshort "thankfully it seems like the creators like Hungary less this time around." - Sarex "Don't forget the wakame, dumbass" -Keyrock "Are you trolling or just being inadvertently nonsensical?' -Pidesco "we have already been forced to admit you are at least human" - uuuhhii "I refuse to buy from non-woke businesses" - HoonDing "feral camels are now considered a pest" - Gorth "Melkathi is known to be an overly critical grumpy person" - Melkathi "Oddly enough Sanderson was a lot more direct despite being a Mormon" - Zoraptor "I found it greatly disturbing to scroll through my cartoon's halfing selection of genitalias." - Wormerine "I love cheese despite the pain and carnage." - ShadySands
Bartimaeus Posted March 15, 2018 Posted March 15, 2018 (edited) because THEY are dying on his yard Edited March 15, 2018 by Bartimaeus 2 Quote How I have existed fills me with horror. For I have failed in everything - spelling, arithmetic, riding, tennis, golf; dancing, singing, acting; wife, mistress, whore, friend. Even cooking. And I do not excuse myself with the usual escape of 'not trying'. I tried with all my heart. In my dreams, I am not crippled. In my dreams, I dance.
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