Guard Dog Posted January 20, 2018 Share Posted January 20, 2018 The US Government has run out of money and shut down. The sun still rose. The stores all opened. Life goes on like normal. So.... anyone else think that maybe they make far too big a deal about this? You have to figure the worst thing that could happen to the "political class" is for people to realize they are like the fleas on a dogs back. 1 "While it is true you learn with age, the down side is what you often learn is what a damn fool you were before" Thomas Sowell Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gfted1 Posted January 20, 2018 Share Posted January 20, 2018 No net was thrown. I asked for clarification, you provided it. Thank you for that. However... What an incredibly shallow, arbitrary, capricious, and myopic viewpoint. I pity you. Just gfted1 being gfted1 really. Good news, everyone! I passed a burning bush on my way home from work that told me god is totally cool with letting people live and let live and that you can stop projecting your problems and insecurities and discrimination into "religion" to use against other people. True story. 2 "I'm your biggest fan, Ill follow you until you love me, Papa" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malcador Posted January 20, 2018 Share Posted January 20, 2018 Trump says "President Responsible for Shutdown": https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2018/01/19/trump-government-shutdown-blame-sot-2013-fox-lead.cnn He's a bull**** artist, he says lots of things. Why has elegance found so little following? Elegance has the disadvantage that hard work is needed to achieve it and a good education to appreciate it. - Edsger Wybe Dijkstra Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pidesco Posted January 20, 2018 Share Posted January 20, 2018 https://twitter.com/SenateMajLdr/status/954409393507876864?s=17 So Mitch McConnel is now a super villain. "You either save this bus filled with children or the city of Metropolis! This should be no brainer..." "My hovercraft is full of eels!" - Hungarian touristI am Dan Quayle of the Romans.I want to tattoo a map of the Netherlands on my nether lands.Heja Sverige!!Everyone should cuffawkle more.The wrench is your friend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hurlshort Posted January 20, 2018 Share Posted January 20, 2018 I personally think that anyone who denied service to someone based on the color of their skin is an idiot. However I fully support said idiot's right to be such an idiot. Telling someone at the point of a gun who they can, can't, must, or mustn't associate with in their personal life or business is evil. Personal life, sure. Business, nope. You don't get to pick and choose who you do business with in our society based on race and gender. That is how you end up with a tremendously segregated population. Women in the kitchen, minorities in service jobs and inner cities with crappy schools, etc. We still have a long way to go clearly, but we certainly aren't going back to the 50's. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Volourn Posted January 20, 2018 Share Posted January 20, 2018 "You don't get to pick and choose who you do business with in our society based on race and gender." That's funny. It happens all the time. Race and gender based discrimination occurs a lot and it isn't just 'minorities' and women who Get targeted for it. And, the gov't clearly uses racism to get what it wants to accomplish its goals. LMAO DWARVES IN PROJECT ETERNITY = VOLOURN HAS PLEDGED $250. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agiel Posted January 20, 2018 Share Posted January 20, 2018 (edited) Finished reading Svetlana Alexievich's <<Secondhand Time>> recently. I've occasionally opined how the alt-right grafted itself to Trump in spite of expounding the virtues of some of Marxist-Leninism's most unsustainable and economically backward policies (propping up failed industries with a side of xenophobic protectionism and allocation of work on the basis of ensuring loyalty) and kept loyal in the face of clear betrayals and barely concealed contempt towards them. It seems this attitude isn't all that different from the accounts of people in Alexievich's book who were imprisoned, and even broken, in the gulags but still described Stalin in glowing terms*, all in the name of "building socialism". *I've had some persona contact with someone similar: While in the 9th grade I was in a study group over Orwell's <<Animal Farm>> held at a Jewish friend's house that was also inhabited by his grandfather. He got into a tirade with all of us over how Stalin "was a great man" and verged into creepily conspiratorial territory when the debate shifted to the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact. Edited January 20, 2018 by Agiel Quote “Political philosophers have often pointed out that in wartime, the citizen, the male citizen at least, loses one of his most basic rights, his right to life; and this has been true ever since the French Revolution and the invention of conscription, now an almost universally accepted principle. But these same philosophers have rarely noted that the citizen in question simultaneously loses another right, one just as basic and perhaps even more vital for his conception of himself as a civilized human being: the right not to kill.” -Jonathan Littell <<Les Bienveillantes>> Quote "The chancellor, the late chancellor, was only partly correct. He was obsolete. But so is the State, the entity he worshipped. Any state, entity, or ideology becomes obsolete when it stockpiles the wrong weapons: when it captures territories, but not minds; when it enslaves millions, but convinces nobody. When it is naked, yet puts on armor and calls it faith, while in the Eyes of God it has no faith at all. Any state, any entity, any ideology that fails to recognize the worth, the dignity, the rights of Man...that state is obsolete." -Rod Serling Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redneckdevil Posted January 20, 2018 Share Posted January 20, 2018 (edited) Would someone explain to me in what way the civil rights act was abominable? In detail, i meanIt was needed sadly.The only other thing I can think of is when it comes to businesses is that it's hypocritical in it's execution. I'll give an example of what I mean. You have one side of the coin of bakers denying homosexual couples business because of going against business owner values. That is not acceptable. The other side of the coin is NC with the bathroom laws so the NBA denys NC their business because it goes against their "values". This is acceptable. If the side of the cake owners are in the wrong because they don't agree with the gay wedding, then the NBA should also be in the wrong to deny service but they are not. This lies the problem business wise because both are descriminating, as a business neither side should be able to deny services. That's where the hypocrisy lies and the problem. Edited January 20, 2018 by redneckdevil Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BruceVC Posted January 20, 2018 Share Posted January 20, 2018 There needs to be a section on that graph that shows totals for overall, but otherwise, no surprise there's a partisan split. As far as the government shut down, that is always the Republicans. They just blame the Dems for making them do it. Exactly, they control both chambers of Congress and the WH (though the WH isn't being all that helpful, thanks to Trump), it's up to them to reach a bipartisan compromise, but they don't want to. Meanwhile, the Democrats understandably are trying to work hard the leverage that they have by stonewalling over DACA. I have been following this development since Thursday and to be honest in a normal world both parties need to take responsibility but this is the anomalous world of the Trump presidency so I am going to blame him for this ...I wont blame the Republicans. its on Trump This obvious bias may seem unfair but Trump only became president through a perfect storm of real and exaggerated political and social conditions in the USA and part of his entire strategy was based on egregious manipulation of certain realities ....so this seems fair to me Besides he still has 3 more years and has done really good work around reducing tax and improving the USA economy hs "Abashed the devil stood and felt how awful goodness is and saw Virtue in her shape how lovely: and pined his loss” John Milton "We don't stop playing because we grow old; we grow old because we stop playing.” - George Bernard Shaw "What counts in life is not the mere fact that we have lived. It is what difference we have made to the lives of others that will determine the significance of the life we lead" - Nelson Mandela Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
injurai Posted January 20, 2018 Share Posted January 20, 2018 Last time the gov shut down it was a Republican political tactic to get leverage on the budget they wanted. Don't give the walking cheese puff the credit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BruceVC Posted January 20, 2018 Share Posted January 20, 2018 "You don't get to pick and choose who you do business with in our society based on race and gender." That's funny. It happens all the time. Race and gender based discrimination occurs a lot and it isn't just 'minorities' and women who Get targeted for it. And, the gov't clearly uses raci /sm to get what it wants to accomplish its goals. LMAO Can you give some examples with context, I did mention that you helped me realize there are real examples of white men being unfairly criticized in some cases but I thought initially you were being facetious. But you never mentioned any solutions and just seemed to accept it...Im not blaming you but thats why I didn't realize it did exist But much later due to other factors I was exposed to it and I adjusted and improved my overall views on SJ, I am much more balanced around overall equality and this aligns to my work in SA and addressing the Apartheid legacy which many people of all races share with me And this also gives me ways to help globally in some places and in some valid SJ initiatives in RL But I would need examples from you ? "Abashed the devil stood and felt how awful goodness is and saw Virtue in her shape how lovely: and pined his loss” John Milton "We don't stop playing because we grow old; we grow old because we stop playing.” - George Bernard Shaw "What counts in life is not the mere fact that we have lived. It is what difference we have made to the lives of others that will determine the significance of the life we lead" - Nelson Mandela Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redneckdevil Posted January 21, 2018 Share Posted January 21, 2018 BruceVC- as far as govt, I'll give ya a real life example. When I went to court for my oldest son custody, I as a white man won and my lawyer asked for child support, the judge said "you have taken the child from the mother, I'm not gonna make her suffer more". I asked if she (black woman) had won if I would be paying child support and the judge said "of course, why wouldn't you?". As far as non minority/males being targeted, just take a look at 2014-til Trump got elected. Remember MTV new resolution for white guys? How people can lose their jobs for saying anything racist or sexist but calling whites honkys, crackers, Whitey's, etc is non punishable even though it's clearly racist talk. One good thing with Trump is now ATM all sides racist in the wrong are more quiet. White supremacists are being shut down by BLM/Antifa and people aren't getting open support from media for hate speech towards whites. Everyone's on egg shells. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smjjames Posted January 21, 2018 Share Posted January 21, 2018 (edited) I'd never heard of the word 'cracker' used to refer to white people. Apparently it mainly used to refer to rural people (also criminals being deported to the colonies), kind of the southern version of redneck or hillbilly. Anyways, so much for it being fixed over the weekend, I thought they'd work on Sunday because reasons. https://www.axios.com/mcconnell-schedules-vote-to-end-government-shutdown-for-1-am-1516494185-b6536c54-cf3c-4437-b8d6-7cea1781f702.html http://www.cnn.com/2018/01/20/politics/government-shutdown-daca-deal-developments/index.html Actually, I totally misread and didn't read the whole thing, they are in session tomorrow, the vote just isn't going to be until Monday. Edited January 21, 2018 by smjjames Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valsuelm Posted January 21, 2018 Share Posted January 21, 2018 I'd never heard of the word 'cracker' used to refer to white people. Apparently it mainly used to refer to rural people (also criminals being deported to the colonies), kind of the southern version of redneck or hillbilly. Anyways, so much for it being fixed over the weekend, I thought they'd work on Sunday because reasons. https://www.axios.com/mcconnell-schedules-vote-to-end-government-shutdown-for-1-am-1516494185-b6536c54-cf3c-4437-b8d6-7cea1781f702.html http://www.cnn.com/2018/01/20/politics/government-shutdown-daca-deal-developments/index.html Actually, I totally misread and didn't read the whole thing, they are in session tomorrow, the vote just isn't going to be until Monday. Where did you grow up that you'd never heard the term 'cracker'? Which may have had it's origins in the South, but for at least half a century now has been used all throughout the U.S. as a pejorative for white people. As for the government 'shut down', it's really not worth paying attention to. It's 100% pure political/media generated BS, and an example of evil MFers on a power trip. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bartimaeus Posted January 21, 2018 Share Posted January 21, 2018 https://twitter.com/SenateDems/status/954761305424105472 "Early this morning, @clairecmc tried to pass a bill to guarantee military pay and death benefits in the #TrumpShutdown. Republican Leader Mitch McConnell: I object." Quote How I have existed fills me with horror. For I have failed in everything - spelling, arithmetic, riding, tennis, golf; dancing, singing, acting; wife, mistress, whore, friend. Even cooking. And I do not excuse myself with the usual escape of 'not trying'. I tried with all my heart. In my dreams, I am not crippled. In my dreams, I dance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valsuelm Posted January 21, 2018 Share Posted January 21, 2018 https://twitter.com/SenateDems/status/954761305424105472 "Early this morning, @clairecmc tried to pass a bill to guarantee military pay and death benefits in the #TrumpShutdown. Republican Leader Mitch McConnell: I object." It is truly unwise to take snippits of conversation out of context seriously. https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/house-bill/1301 Unanimous Consent Request--H.R. 1301 Mrs. McCASKILL. Mr. President, this shouldn't take very long. I was most disappointed tonight when the President of the United States put out a statement that tried to divide us based on party when it came to support of our military. There is no such division. Everyone in this Chamber knows it. So, as we have in other instances where we have had a shutdown--I remember, in 2013, we did this right off the bat. I want to make sure that tonight we send a very clear signal that we don't want one moment to pass with there being any uncertainty that any soldier anywhere in the world will be paid for the valiant work they do on behalf of our national security. Mr. President, I ask unanimous consent that the Senate proceed to the immediate consideration of Calendar No. 36, H.R. 1301; that the amendment at the desk, providing for continuing appropriations for pay and death benefits for members of the Armed Services, be considered and agreed to, the bill, as amended, be considered read a third time and passed, and the motion to reconsider be considered made and laid upon the table with no intervening action or debate. The PRESIDING OFFICER. Is there objection? Mr. McCONNELL. Mr. President, reserving the right to object, we passed similar legislation during the government shutdown back in 2013. My hope is that we can restore funding for the entire government before this becomes necessary. I am going to object for tonight, but we will discuss it again tomorrow. Therefore, I object. The PRESIDING OFFICER. Objection is heard. The Senator from Florida. Always use Primary sources whenever possible. It often only takes a few moments to put something quoted in the modern era in context. I am absolutely no fan of McConnell, however what he said is very much misrepresented in your link. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smjjames Posted January 21, 2018 Share Posted January 21, 2018 (edited) I'd never heard of the word 'cracker' used to refer to white people. Apparently it mainly used to refer to rural people (also criminals being deported to the colonies), kind of the southern version of redneck or hillbilly. Anyways, so much for it being fixed over the weekend, I thought they'd work on Sunday because reasons. https://www.axios.com/mcconnell-schedules-vote-to-end-government-shutdown-for-1-am-1516494185-b6536c54-cf3c-4437-b8d6-7cea1781f702.html http://www.cnn.com/2018/01/20/politics/government-shutdown-daca-deal-developments/index.html Actually, I totally misread and didn't read the whole thing, they are in session tomorrow, the vote just isn't going to be until Monday. Where did you grow up that you'd never heard the term 'cracker'? Which may have had it's origins in the South, but for at least half a century now has been used all throughout the U.S. as a pejorative for white people. Southern California. @Vals later post: They have a vote scheduled tomorrow, so, it does make more sense to do it then. Also sounds a bit like he's hoping for a quick resolution to this. Edited January 21, 2018 by smjjames Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bartimaeus Posted January 21, 2018 Share Posted January 21, 2018 (edited) Always use Primary sources whenever possible. It often only takes a few moments to put something quoted in the modern era in context. I am absolutely no fan of McConnell, however what he said is very much misrepresented in your link. Greater context is never a bad thing, but I don't see his explanation as really adding up. A seemingly caveats-free opportunity to solve one of the problems that a whole lot of people are apparently upset about is given to you, and you reject it out of hand. Does he really think the shutdown is going to end within 24 hours? If that ends up being the case, O.K., fair enough...if not...just another thing the Republicans are going to hold over the Dems to try to force their way, just like CHIP when the Dems were all for re-approving it without any questions asked to begin with six bloody months ago when it originally expired. Edited January 21, 2018 by Bartimaeus Quote How I have existed fills me with horror. For I have failed in everything - spelling, arithmetic, riding, tennis, golf; dancing, singing, acting; wife, mistress, whore, friend. Even cooking. And I do not excuse myself with the usual escape of 'not trying'. I tried with all my heart. In my dreams, I am not crippled. In my dreams, I dance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valsuelm Posted January 21, 2018 Share Posted January 21, 2018 Always use Primary sources whenever possible. It often only takes a few moments to put something quoted in the modern era in context. I am absolutely no fan of McConnell, however what he said is very much misrepresented in your link. Greater context is never a bad thing, but I don't see his explanation as really adding up. A seemingly caveats-free opportunity to solve one of the problems that a whole lot of people are apparently upset about is given to you, and you reject it out of hand. Does he really think the shutdown is going to end within 24 hours? If that ends up being the case, O.K., fair enough...if not...just another thing the Republicans are going to hold over the Dems to try to force their way, just like CHIP when the Dems were all for re-approving it without any questions asked to begin with six bloody months ago when it originally expired. I suggest reading the entire transcript at the link I provided. I also suggest reading trasscripts or watching minutes whenever possible (it often is on CPSAN). What's portray on the major news networks, twitter, in many press conferences, etc is often not what actually transpires on the House/Senate floor. The link you gave was dishonest political garbage put out by the Democratic leadership to sway the public their way. If that wasn't clear before, read the entire transcript and note the multiple attempts. Schumer, one of the Senators from my State, and the Senate Minority Leader, is as evil, dirty, and underhanded as they come. He very well may currently be the most corrupt person in the House/Senate, and that is saying something. If he's not #1 he's definitely on the short list, and has been since his days in Congress. Evidence of this is in the transcript. If that evidence is not apparent, start reading more transcripts to get even greater context, in addition to noting what is said the media. And to be clear for the polarized folks here who in the wake of my post would otherwise immediately feel the need to point out that Republicans are guilty of similar (or worse in their eyes), and probably think I'm blind to Republican evils because I pointed out Schumer : McCain is also on that short list, and Schumer certainly isn't the first evil mofo of such caliber on the Hill, I'm just saying he's probably the worst currently there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smjjames Posted January 21, 2018 Share Posted January 21, 2018 Well, he IS a New York City politician, I'd imagine NYC politics are as rough and tumble as it's media market. No wonder Trump privately likes him somewhat, besides being a fellow New Yorker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Volourn Posted January 21, 2018 Share Posted January 21, 2018 (edited) "I'd never heard of the word 'cracker' used to refer to white people." Hilarious. It is used a lot against white people. And, yes, it is meant to dehumanize them and belittle them for being garbage; Of course, like the black word equivelant, more than few white people use the word themselves to insult othert whities or in the same way blacks use theirs. To check the 'unfairness'.. check how the white term can be used casuaully without any blowback... try the black equivelant and see how quickly Obsidian sends you packing and the dogpile that will occur. L0L Edited January 21, 2018 by Volourn DWARVES IN PROJECT ETERNITY = VOLOURN HAS PLEDGED $250. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smjjames Posted January 21, 2018 Share Posted January 21, 2018 Yeah well, somehow I hadn't. I've heard of 'white trash' though, which is the same thing. I can't explain how I've never heard of the word cracker used in that way, I just haven't. *shrug*. Might have something to do with me being hard of hearing, and if it shows up in music, I don't listen to music. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
injurai Posted January 21, 2018 Share Posted January 21, 2018 Btw, cracker doesn't refer to skin tone. It refers to white people cracking whips. "Cac" is a pretty common black slang that at least a few years back was extremely common to run into in liberal dens around the web. Meaning "Cracker ass cracker." It's also used to sort of disguise language but also get away with it. I've been in arguments with people who say you can't say "n-word" because it allows you get put the real word in peoples minds, but you also can't say the actual word even in reference because it's "not your word to say" and it's even triggering in mere reference. (This rule in reference to white people that is.)Then these people go on to talk about cacs and dismiss any equivalent claims about language misuse. These sorts of allowed pejoratives are rife within communities that operate under a caste system of identity politics. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smjjames Posted January 21, 2018 Share Posted January 21, 2018 Actually, (see the part for 2013) it's possible I had heard of it, just didn't get the meaning. Redneckdevil being a southerner and me being a westerner, it makes some sense I suppose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malcador Posted January 21, 2018 Share Posted January 21, 2018 How people can lose their jobs for saying anything racist or sexist but calling whites honkys, crackers, Whitey's, etc is non punishable even though it's clearly racist talk..Are you really sure about that or is this some FOAF-esque tier of sourcing ? Why has elegance found so little following? Elegance has the disadvantage that hard work is needed to achieve it and a good education to appreciate it. - Edsger Wybe Dijkstra Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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