aluminiumtrioxid Posted December 18, 2017 Posted December 18, 2017 Do feminists hold power over you? "Lulz is not the highest aspiration of art and mankind, no matter what the Encyclopedia Dramatica says."
Chilloutman Posted December 18, 2017 Posted December 18, 2017 Do feminists hold power over you? do nazis hold power over you? I'm the enemy, 'cause I like to think, I like to read. I'm into freedom of speech, and freedom of choice. I'm the kinda guy that likes to sit in a greasy spoon and wonder, "Gee, should I have the T-bone steak or the jumbo rack of barbecue ribs with the side-order of gravy fries?" I want high cholesterol! I wanna eat bacon, and butter, and buckets of cheese, okay?! I wanna smoke a Cuban cigar the size of Cincinnati in the non-smoking section! I wanna run naked through the street, with green Jell-O all over my body, reading Playboy magazine. Why? Because I suddenly may feel the need to, okay, pal? I've SEEN the future. Do you know what it is? It's a 47-year-old virgin sitting around in his beige pajamas, drinking a banana-broccoli shake, singing "I'm an Oscar Meyer Wiene"
Chilloutman Posted December 18, 2017 Posted December 18, 2017 Feminism is only authoritarian in the sense that it advocates the overturn of certain societal aspects, as it finds them intolerable. It’s suggestions however tend to offer more liberty for the individual, rather than less. “Authoritarian” is therefore a strange and misleading word to describe feminism, and equating it to the authoritarianism of fascism is wrong. An example: Feminists argue that women should enter marriage voluntarily and divorce at will. This is essentially a liberation in that it enables women to gain a significant amount of control over their lives. Someone like BPS might call this “authoritarian”, as it comes along with a high degree of intolerance towards the advocation for set up marriages, which he supports. Being exposed to a stark reaction by viewers or perhaps his platform, he mistakes a fight against the authoritarianism he advocates for authoritarianism itself. They already have to enter marriage voluntarily and divorce at will. At least where most of us lives. No need for feminism there, get better example I'm the enemy, 'cause I like to think, I like to read. I'm into freedom of speech, and freedom of choice. I'm the kinda guy that likes to sit in a greasy spoon and wonder, "Gee, should I have the T-bone steak or the jumbo rack of barbecue ribs with the side-order of gravy fries?" I want high cholesterol! I wanna eat bacon, and butter, and buckets of cheese, okay?! I wanna smoke a Cuban cigar the size of Cincinnati in the non-smoking section! I wanna run naked through the street, with green Jell-O all over my body, reading Playboy magazine. Why? Because I suddenly may feel the need to, okay, pal? I've SEEN the future. Do you know what it is? It's a 47-year-old virgin sitting around in his beige pajamas, drinking a banana-broccoli shake, singing "I'm an Oscar Meyer Wiene"
redneckdevil Posted December 18, 2017 Posted December 18, 2017 (edited) Feminism is only authoritarian in the sense that it advocates the overturn of certain societal aspects, as it finds them intolerable. It’s suggestions however tend to offer more liberty for the individual, rather than less. “Authoritarian” is therefore a strange and misleading word to describe feminism, and equating it to the authoritarianism of fascism is wrong. An example: Feminists argue that women should enter marriage voluntarily and divorce at will. This is essentially a liberation in that it enables women to gain a significant amount of control over their lives. Someone like BPS might call this “authoritarian”, as it comes along with a high degree of intolerance towards the advocation for set up marriages, which he supports. Being exposed to a stark reaction by viewers or perhaps his platform, he mistakes a fight against the authoritarianism he advocates for authoritarianism itself. They already have to enter marriage voluntarily and divorce at will. At least where most of us lives. No need for feminism there, get better exampleActually Ben gave a great example. Think of it, when a couple divorces the woman gets half and the man has to fight for his half and usually has to give a portion of his half to her. The more times a woman divorces, the more money (power) she obtains. Edited December 18, 2017 by redneckdevil
Malcador Posted December 18, 2017 Posted December 18, 2017 Some of the subjects he touches on are a bit tough for many to tackle. (...) He's often (but not always) definitely an advanced level of content There's nothing "tough" or "advanced" about rank idiocy such as "women are destroying civilization". Yeah it is outrageous statement, almost like patriarchy is holding women back right? Seems a lot more bunk. Usually a claim that X is destroying civilization is some poorly masked axe grinding Why has elegance found so little following? Elegance has the disadvantage that hard work is needed to achieve it and a good education to appreciate it. - Edsger Wybe Dijkstra
Elerond Posted December 18, 2017 Posted December 18, 2017 Some of the subjects he touches on are a bit tough for many to tackle. (...) He's often (but not always) definitely an advanced level of content There's nothing "tough" or "advanced" about rank idiocy such as "women are destroying civilization". Yeah it is outrageous statement, almost like patriarchy is holding women back right? Patriarchy is holding women in back, but not necessary ways that people think when they hear the claim Like for example it isn't even half century ago when in many (western) countries women could not actually own credit card, bank account etc. things without man co-signing those. It also wasn't that long ago when in many (western) countries inheritance laws jump over women in favor of male relatives (and some times male cousin could be higher in line than actual daughter of deceased). It isn't also that long when we had laws in many (western) countries that moved ownership of things that woman owned to her husband if she married. Today these laws still have impact on women statuses in societies as general as they have made our societies such that we have much more rich men than women.
Chilloutman Posted December 18, 2017 Posted December 18, 2017 Some of the subjects he touches on are a bit tough for many to tackle. (...) He's often (but not always) definitely an advanced level of content There's nothing "tough" or "advanced" about rank idiocy such as "women are destroying civilization". Yeah it is outrageous statement, almost like patriarchy is holding women back right? Patriarchy is holding women in back, but not necessary ways that people think when they hear the claim Like for example it isn't even half century ago when in many (western) countries women could not actually own credit card, bank account etc. things without man co-signing those. It also wasn't that long ago when in many (western) countries inheritance laws jump over women in favor of male relatives (and some times male cousin could be higher in line than actual daughter of deceased). It isn't also that long when we had laws in many (western) countries that moved ownership of things that woman owned to her husband if she married. Today these laws still have impact on women statuses in societies as general as they have made our societies such that we have much more rich men than women. Look I am not arguing about how things were. I'm the enemy, 'cause I like to think, I like to read. I'm into freedom of speech, and freedom of choice. I'm the kinda guy that likes to sit in a greasy spoon and wonder, "Gee, should I have the T-bone steak or the jumbo rack of barbecue ribs with the side-order of gravy fries?" I want high cholesterol! I wanna eat bacon, and butter, and buckets of cheese, okay?! I wanna smoke a Cuban cigar the size of Cincinnati in the non-smoking section! I wanna run naked through the street, with green Jell-O all over my body, reading Playboy magazine. Why? Because I suddenly may feel the need to, okay, pal? I've SEEN the future. Do you know what it is? It's a 47-year-old virgin sitting around in his beige pajamas, drinking a banana-broccoli shake, singing "I'm an Oscar Meyer Wiene"
Elerond Posted December 18, 2017 Posted December 18, 2017 Some of the subjects he touches on are a bit tough for many to tackle. (...) He's often (but not always) definitely an advanced level of content There's nothing "tough" or "advanced" about rank idiocy such as "women are destroying civilization". Yeah it is outrageous statement, almost like patriarchy is holding women back right? Patriarchy is holding women in back, but not necessary ways that people think when they hear the claim Like for example it isn't even half century ago when in many (western) countries women could not actually own credit card, bank account etc. things without man co-signing those. It also wasn't that long ago when in many (western) countries inheritance laws jump over women in favor of male relatives (and some times male cousin could be higher in line than actual daughter of deceased). It isn't also that long when we had laws in many (western) countries that moved ownership of things that woman owned to her husband if she married. Today these laws still have impact on women statuses in societies as general as they have made our societies such that we have much more rich men than women. Look I am not arguing about how things were. Neither am I
Chilloutman Posted December 18, 2017 Posted December 18, 2017 Some of the subjects he touches on are a bit tough for many to tackle. (...) He's often (but not always) definitely an advanced level of content There's nothing "tough" or "advanced" about rank idiocy such as "women are destroying civilization". Yeah it is outrageous statement, almost like patriarchy is holding women back right? Patriarchy is holding women in back, but not necessary ways that people think when they hear the claim Like for example it isn't even half century ago when in many (western) countries women could not actually own credit card, bank account etc. things without man co-signing those. It also wasn't that long ago when in many (western) countries inheritance laws jump over women in favor of male relatives (and some times male cousin could be higher in line than actual daughter of deceased). It isn't also that long when we had laws in many (western) countries that moved ownership of things that woman owned to her husband if she married. Today these laws still have impact on women statuses in societies as general as they have made our societies such that we have much more rich men than women. Look I am not arguing about how things were. Neither am I so how: Today these laws still have impact on women statuses in societies as general as they have made our societies such that we have much more rich men than women. If they are no longer in place? (expecting some mental gymnastics) I'm the enemy, 'cause I like to think, I like to read. I'm into freedom of speech, and freedom of choice. I'm the kinda guy that likes to sit in a greasy spoon and wonder, "Gee, should I have the T-bone steak or the jumbo rack of barbecue ribs with the side-order of gravy fries?" I want high cholesterol! I wanna eat bacon, and butter, and buckets of cheese, okay?! I wanna smoke a Cuban cigar the size of Cincinnati in the non-smoking section! I wanna run naked through the street, with green Jell-O all over my body, reading Playboy magazine. Why? Because I suddenly may feel the need to, okay, pal? I've SEEN the future. Do you know what it is? It's a 47-year-old virgin sitting around in his beige pajamas, drinking a banana-broccoli shake, singing "I'm an Oscar Meyer Wiene"
Elerond Posted December 18, 2017 Posted December 18, 2017 Some of the subjects he touches on are a bit tough for many to tackle. (...) He's often (but not always) definitely an advanced level of content There's nothing "tough" or "advanced" about rank idiocy such as "women are destroying civilization". Yeah it is outrageous statement, almost like patriarchy is holding women back right? Patriarchy is holding women in back, but not necessary ways that people think when they hear the claim Like for example it isn't even half century ago when in many (western) countries women could not actually own credit card, bank account etc. things without man co-signing those. It also wasn't that long ago when in many (western) countries inheritance laws jump over women in favor of male relatives (and some times male cousin could be higher in line than actual daughter of deceased). It isn't also that long when we had laws in many (western) countries that moved ownership of things that woman owned to her husband if she married. Today these laws still have impact on women statuses in societies as general as they have made our societies such that we have much more rich men than women. Look I am not arguing about how things were. Neither am I so how: Today these laws still have impact on women statuses in societies as general as they have made our societies such that we have much more rich men than women. If they are no longer in place? (expecting some mental gymnastics) Because of those laws of the past there are less of female versions of Trump and Koch brothers who use their inherited wealth to lobby laws and become political leaders.
Chilloutman Posted December 18, 2017 Posted December 18, 2017 Some of the subjects he touches on are a bit tough for many to tackle. (...) He's often (but not always) definitely an advanced level of content There's nothing "tough" or "advanced" about rank idiocy such as "women are destroying civilization". Yeah it is outrageous statement, almost like patriarchy is holding women back right? Patriarchy is holding women in back, but not necessary ways that people think when they hear the claim Like for example it isn't even half century ago when in many (western) countries women could not actually own credit card, bank account etc. things without man co-signing those. It also wasn't that long ago when in many (western) countries inheritance laws jump over women in favor of male relatives (and some times male cousin could be higher in line than actual daughter of deceased). It isn't also that long when we had laws in many (western) countries that moved ownership of things that woman owned to her husband if she married. Today these laws still have impact on women statuses in societies as general as they have made our societies such that we have much more rich men than women. Look I am not arguing about how things were. Neither am I so how: Today these laws still have impact on women statuses in societies as general as they have made our societies such that we have much more rich men than women. If they are no longer in place? (expecting some mental gymnastics) Because of those laws of the past there are less of female versions of Trump and Koch brothers who use their inherited wealth to lobby laws and become political leaders. So you think that there is no raise of wealth hold by women compared to 50 years ago? I'm the enemy, 'cause I like to think, I like to read. I'm into freedom of speech, and freedom of choice. I'm the kinda guy that likes to sit in a greasy spoon and wonder, "Gee, should I have the T-bone steak or the jumbo rack of barbecue ribs with the side-order of gravy fries?" I want high cholesterol! I wanna eat bacon, and butter, and buckets of cheese, okay?! I wanna smoke a Cuban cigar the size of Cincinnati in the non-smoking section! I wanna run naked through the street, with green Jell-O all over my body, reading Playboy magazine. Why? Because I suddenly may feel the need to, okay, pal? I've SEEN the future. Do you know what it is? It's a 47-year-old virgin sitting around in his beige pajamas, drinking a banana-broccoli shake, singing "I'm an Oscar Meyer Wiene"
Gfted1 Posted December 18, 2017 Posted December 18, 2017 Was everything supposed to snap into equality overnight? "I'm your biggest fan, Ill follow you until you love me, Papa"
Chilloutman Posted December 18, 2017 Posted December 18, 2017 Was everything supposed to snap into equality overnight? thats where I am heading but I wanted to play with them for a while first, you ruined my fun I'm the enemy, 'cause I like to think, I like to read. I'm into freedom of speech, and freedom of choice. I'm the kinda guy that likes to sit in a greasy spoon and wonder, "Gee, should I have the T-bone steak or the jumbo rack of barbecue ribs with the side-order of gravy fries?" I want high cholesterol! I wanna eat bacon, and butter, and buckets of cheese, okay?! I wanna smoke a Cuban cigar the size of Cincinnati in the non-smoking section! I wanna run naked through the street, with green Jell-O all over my body, reading Playboy magazine. Why? Because I suddenly may feel the need to, okay, pal? I've SEEN the future. Do you know what it is? It's a 47-year-old virgin sitting around in his beige pajamas, drinking a banana-broccoli shake, singing "I'm an Oscar Meyer Wiene"
Gfted1 Posted December 18, 2017 Posted December 18, 2017 My bad. EDIT: Its fascinating to me to see the progress that has occurred in civil rights just in my lifetime though. 1 "I'm your biggest fan, Ill follow you until you love me, Papa"
aluminiumtrioxid Posted December 18, 2017 Posted December 18, 2017 Do feminists hold power over you? do nazis hold power over you? That's a bit of a false equivalence, because we've already seen what happens when nazis get power, while we only have your vague supposition that feminists are totally bad and authoritarian to go by. "It's an authoritarian idea because I envision they'll take away my freedom of speech and probably kill all men if they ever get into power" is not exactly the most shining proof of feminist authoritarianism. "Lulz is not the highest aspiration of art and mankind, no matter what the Encyclopedia Dramatica says."
Blarghagh Posted December 18, 2017 Author Posted December 18, 2017 Do feminists hold power over you? do nazis hold power over you? do hippies hold power over you? do religious oligarchists hold power over you? do ducks hold power over you?
Chilloutman Posted December 18, 2017 Posted December 18, 2017 Do feminists hold power over you? do nazis hold power over you? That's a bit of a false equivalence, because we've already seen what happens when nazis get power, while we only have your vague supposition that feminists are totally bad and authoritarian to go by. "It's an authoritarian idea because I envision they'll take away my freedom of speech and probably kill all men if they ever get into power" is not exactly the most shining proof of feminist authoritarianism. well i can probably find some examples where we actually can see effects of authoritarian feminism in practice but its not that important. We know how authoritarian *insert whatever you don't like* end. I'm the enemy, 'cause I like to think, I like to read. I'm into freedom of speech, and freedom of choice. I'm the kinda guy that likes to sit in a greasy spoon and wonder, "Gee, should I have the T-bone steak or the jumbo rack of barbecue ribs with the side-order of gravy fries?" I want high cholesterol! I wanna eat bacon, and butter, and buckets of cheese, okay?! I wanna smoke a Cuban cigar the size of Cincinnati in the non-smoking section! I wanna run naked through the street, with green Jell-O all over my body, reading Playboy magazine. Why? Because I suddenly may feel the need to, okay, pal? I've SEEN the future. Do you know what it is? It's a 47-year-old virgin sitting around in his beige pajamas, drinking a banana-broccoli shake, singing "I'm an Oscar Meyer Wiene"
Chilloutman Posted December 18, 2017 Posted December 18, 2017 Do feminists hold power over you? do nazis hold power over you? do hippies hold power over you? do religious oligarchists hold power over you? do ducks hold power over you? not sure where you are heading with this I'm the enemy, 'cause I like to think, I like to read. I'm into freedom of speech, and freedom of choice. I'm the kinda guy that likes to sit in a greasy spoon and wonder, "Gee, should I have the T-bone steak or the jumbo rack of barbecue ribs with the side-order of gravy fries?" I want high cholesterol! I wanna eat bacon, and butter, and buckets of cheese, okay?! I wanna smoke a Cuban cigar the size of Cincinnati in the non-smoking section! I wanna run naked through the street, with green Jell-O all over my body, reading Playboy magazine. Why? Because I suddenly may feel the need to, okay, pal? I've SEEN the future. Do you know what it is? It's a 47-year-old virgin sitting around in his beige pajamas, drinking a banana-broccoli shake, singing "I'm an Oscar Meyer Wiene"
Hurlshort Posted December 18, 2017 Posted December 18, 2017 Was everything supposed to snap into equality overnight? No. Isn't that why feminism exists? To continue to drive equality?
Chilloutman Posted December 18, 2017 Posted December 18, 2017 Was everything supposed to snap into equality overnight? No. Isn't that why feminism exists? To continue to drive equality? Well either you accept that changes in society takes time or you implement laws which would be antithesis of equality (at least in original liberal sense - eg. equality of opportunity, not equality of outcome) I'm the enemy, 'cause I like to think, I like to read. I'm into freedom of speech, and freedom of choice. I'm the kinda guy that likes to sit in a greasy spoon and wonder, "Gee, should I have the T-bone steak or the jumbo rack of barbecue ribs with the side-order of gravy fries?" I want high cholesterol! I wanna eat bacon, and butter, and buckets of cheese, okay?! I wanna smoke a Cuban cigar the size of Cincinnati in the non-smoking section! I wanna run naked through the street, with green Jell-O all over my body, reading Playboy magazine. Why? Because I suddenly may feel the need to, okay, pal? I've SEEN the future. Do you know what it is? It's a 47-year-old virgin sitting around in his beige pajamas, drinking a banana-broccoli shake, singing "I'm an Oscar Meyer Wiene"
Chilloutman Posted December 18, 2017 Posted December 18, 2017 That's the point. so ducks have some authoritarian ideology? Thats new to me, please enlighten me I'm the enemy, 'cause I like to think, I like to read. I'm into freedom of speech, and freedom of choice. I'm the kinda guy that likes to sit in a greasy spoon and wonder, "Gee, should I have the T-bone steak or the jumbo rack of barbecue ribs with the side-order of gravy fries?" I want high cholesterol! I wanna eat bacon, and butter, and buckets of cheese, okay?! I wanna smoke a Cuban cigar the size of Cincinnati in the non-smoking section! I wanna run naked through the street, with green Jell-O all over my body, reading Playboy magazine. Why? Because I suddenly may feel the need to, okay, pal? I've SEEN the future. Do you know what it is? It's a 47-year-old virgin sitting around in his beige pajamas, drinking a banana-broccoli shake, singing "I'm an Oscar Meyer Wiene"
Blarghagh Posted December 18, 2017 Author Posted December 18, 2017 No, but they have eyes just like feminists do. Either way still not really comparable at all.
Chilloutman Posted December 18, 2017 Posted December 18, 2017 No, but they have eyes just like feminists do. Either way still not really comparable at all. Yes, if you say so it must be true I'm the enemy, 'cause I like to think, I like to read. I'm into freedom of speech, and freedom of choice. I'm the kinda guy that likes to sit in a greasy spoon and wonder, "Gee, should I have the T-bone steak or the jumbo rack of barbecue ribs with the side-order of gravy fries?" I want high cholesterol! I wanna eat bacon, and butter, and buckets of cheese, okay?! I wanna smoke a Cuban cigar the size of Cincinnati in the non-smoking section! I wanna run naked through the street, with green Jell-O all over my body, reading Playboy magazine. Why? Because I suddenly may feel the need to, okay, pal? I've SEEN the future. Do you know what it is? It's a 47-year-old virgin sitting around in his beige pajamas, drinking a banana-broccoli shake, singing "I'm an Oscar Meyer Wiene"
redneckdevil Posted December 18, 2017 Posted December 18, 2017 Wait...are we talking about the rare "full on equality" feminists or are we talking about the much much more common "equality as in special treatment that isn't equality and men are evilz!" feminists?
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