Musing and dissertations of s13ep

[Hurlshort]

I figured this was a sequel to the popular Al Pacino film.

[kirottu]

I like to think s13ep's avatar is holding a katana on his other hand. Katana would really bring his thing together.

[Chilloutman]

[BruceVC]

It's a lie that you have to be gay or straight, insecurity stimulates homosexuality, but you can be insecure.

What do you mean when you say "its a lie .... " ?

 

Are you saying being gay is a choice?

[Lexx]

I dont get this thread. What's it supposed to tell me?

[Ben No.3]

 

It's a lie that you have to be gay or straight, insecurity stimulates homosexuality, but you can be insecure.

What do you mean when you say "its a lie .... " ?

 

Are you saying being gay is a choice?

As I understand him, he says the following:

 

Men are naturally straight, however, they might be insecure about approaching the opposite sex, and therefore they turn to homosexuality as an "easy solution".

 

Mind you, his opinion, not mine.

 

Bruce, I understand you have been active with the queers (at least that's how I took it from the thread I linked...). What is your opinion on how sexuality evolves? The way I understand it, is that it is a mixture of genetics, hormones and social factors (I especially take interest in the latter...

Edited April 25, 2017 by Ben No.3

[Messier-31]

I dont get this thread. What's it supposed to tell me?

 

I'm so confused.

[s13ep]

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Edited April 30, 2017 by s13ep

[Chilloutman]

ok, do we have oby back or what

[BruceVC]

 

 

It's a lie that you have to be gay or straight, insecurity stimulates homosexuality, but you can be insecure.

What do you mean when you say "its a lie .... " ?

 

Are you saying being gay is a choice?

As I understand him, he says the following:

 

Men are naturally straight, however, they might be insecure about approaching the opposite sex, and therefore they turn to homosexuality as an "easy solution".

 

Mind you, his opinion, not mine.

 

Bruce, I understand you have been active with the queers (at least that's how I took it from the thread I linked...). What is your opinion on how sexuality evolves? The way I understand it, is that it is a mixture of genetics, hormones and social factors (I especially take interest in the latter...

 

I hope he isn't suggesting what you saying...that would be ridiculous and lacks any real understanding of homosexuality

 

 

Yes I am very active around support for the LGBT community and have gay friends. There are 2 main reasons people are  gay, most gay people are born this way. They can no more change there sexual orientation than a person can change there race

 

Then is a small percentage of gay people who can become gay through abuse, of course this is rare and Im not in anyway suggesting the majority of abused children will become gay or would become paedophiles themselves 

[BruceVC]

ok, do we have oby back or what

 

Shame do you miss oby, I miss him slightly....but very slightly 

[Valsuelm]

ok, do we have oby back or what

Oby was more coherent.

[PK htiw klaw eriF]

ok, do we have oby back or what

Baby's first acid trip more likely.

[Tigranes]

ok, do we have oby back or what

 

Nah, oby has been devoured by bruce, his antithesis

[Heijoushin]

Oh, the title made me think you were swearing off women. Then I read the OP, and was just confused.

 

I basically agree with Ben No 3. Sexuality is a scale. On the two ends, you might have "100% straight" and "100% gay", but most people fall somewhere in the middle. So you might be, say, 95% straight, with a small desire to experiment with homosexuality. However, a small tendency to homosexuality is usually suppressed due to pressure from society.  

But theoretically, yes, if you were very insecure around the opposite sex, and very horny, you might decide to experiment anyway.

 

Whatever floats your boat, I always say. 

[Hurlshort]

I don't really think most people fall in the middle. If that were true, you'd probably have a lot less homophobia. A large percentage are probably in the 100% straight camp. Which is fine, except for the fact that a large percentage of people are also afraid of anything that is different.

Edited April 26, 2017 by Hurlshot

[Bartimaeus]

Have to agree with Hurlshot here - the sliding scale/spectrum thing makes sense, but saying that "mostly everyone is somewhere in between" just doesn't seem to really figure for me. I don't think most people have a "small desire" (or greater than that) to "experiment" with those outside of their first preference on the basis of physical attraction...but they may do so anyways due to lack of better options and as a result of a desire for the other elements of a relationship. Additionally, I think this scale extends farther back than just from "no interest" to "absolute interest" - "no interest" people might eventually be pushed into a relationship outside their preference as a result of circumstance, but there are also people who feel more strongly (negatively) about it than just "no interest", and would never consider something outside of their preference no matter what - not now, not in a million years*. I'm not sure where on the scale the majority of people fall, but I think it'd be somewhat hard to believe that the majority of people have at least "some" physical interest in everyone - it certainly doesn't feel that way. Have there been any proper studies on the subject?

 

*My bias may admittedly be showing in my feelings on the matter here, as I personally feel this way about those outside of my "preference".

Edited April 26, 2017 by Bartimaeus

[Messier-31]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kinsey_scale

 

"The Kinsey scale ranges from 0, for those who would identify themselves as exclusively heterosexual with no experience with or desire for sexual activity with their same sex, to 6, for those who would identify themselves as exclusively homosexual with no experience with or desire for sexual activity with those of the opposite sex, and 1-5 for those who would identify themselves with varying levels of desire for sexual activity with either sex, including "incidental" or "occasional" desire for sexual activity with the same sex."

[Ben No.3]

I don't really think most people fall in the middle. If that were true, you'd probably have a lot less homophobia. A large percentage are probably in the 100% straight camp. Which is fine, except for the fact that a large percentage of people are also afraid of anything that is different.

That's what I mean by social factor.... shay you are born 50% hetero and 50% homo, I would guess that'll you are quite unlikely to follow much your homo side due to the way homosexuality is handled by society. Society isn't homophobic because there are homophobes, there are homophobs because society is homophobic.

 

Mind you, I'm not placing guilt on anyone. It's not your fault that the world is the way it is, it's just your fault it it stays that way.

[Ben No.3]

 

ok, do we have oby back or what

Nah, oby has been devoured by bruce, his antithesis

That can't be a reasonable synthesis

[Heijoushin]

Have to agree with Hurlshot here - the sliding scale/spectrum thing makes sense, but saying that "mostly everyone is somewhere in between" just doesn't seem to really figure for me. I don't think most people have a "small desire" (or greater than that) to "experiment" with those outside of their first preference on the basis of physical attraction...but they may do so anyways due to lack of better options and as a result of a desire for the other elements of a relationship. Additionally, I think this scale extends farther back than just from "no interest" to "absolute interest" - "no interest" people might eventually be pushed into a relationship outside their preference as a result of circumstance, but there are also people who feel more strongly (negatively) about it than just "no interest", and would never consider something outside of their preference no matter what - not now, not in a million years*. I'm not sure where on the scale the majority of people fall, but I think it'd be somewhat hard to believe that the majority of people have at least "some" physical interest in everyone - it certainly doesn't feel that way. Have there been any proper studies on the subject?

 

*My bias may admittedly be showing in my feelings on the matter here, as I personally feel this way about those outside of my "preference".

 

When I said "most people fall in the middle", I didn't mean like 50-50. I just meant that they're not pure 100%ers. Maybe lots of 98-2%ers etc. (obviously I'm just sucking the stats out of my thumb). I don't know if negative scores are necessary though. If you're completely repulsed by the thought of same-gender sex, then I think you're simply 100% straight. Any excessive feelings are probably a result of culture/society.

 

PS Thanks Messier, for digging up the scientific name for this!

Edited April 26, 2017 by Heijoushin

[Heijoushin]

What the heck is going on in this thread? Does everyone know a private joke that I don't?

[Bartimaeus]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kinsey_scale

 

"The Kinsey scale ranges from 0, for those who would identify themselves as exclusively heterosexual with no experience with or desire for sexual activity with their same sex, to 6, for those who would identify themselves as exclusively homosexual with no experience with or desire for sexual activity with those of the opposite sex, and 1-5 for those who would identify themselves with varying levels of desire for sexual activity with either sex, including "incidental" or "occasional" desire for sexual activity with the same sex."

 

The Kinsey Reports (results and methodology) are likely more interesting than the scale itself, I think, since the scale (and all the others like it, as this wiki article itself mentions) are obviously totally arbitrary and meaningless in of themselves without data and good methodology to back it up. Thanks for the link.

 

@Heijoushin: I understood that, and I still disagree. I don't think "most people" would say or even feel that they're even "slightly" or "2%" (or whatever) interested in people outside of their "first" preference, or that they have multiple, equal preferences. It's not clear how the Kinsey Reports feel about this, because while it says roughly 7-10% of people were 50/50 at some points in their life, I don't know how the Kinsey Report actually "judged" people to be 50/50, and I can't seem to find the percentage of people that fell anywhere from 1-5 (the 'tweeners) or again, how it was determined that they were a 'tweener to begin with. I'm not discounting the Kinsey Reports themselves, but it'd be nice to have additional/clearer information about the data and methodology.

Edited April 26, 2017 by Bartimaeus

[Heijoushin]

The Kinsey Reports (results and methodology) are likely more interesting than the scale itself, I think, since the scale (and all the others like it, as this wiki article itself mentions) are obviously totally arbitrary and meaningless in of themselves without data and good methodology to back it up. Thanks for the link.

 

@Heijoushin: I understood that, and I still disagree. I don't think "most people" would say or even feel that they're even "slightly" or "2%" (or whatever) interested in people outside of their "first" preference, or that they have multiple, equal preferences. It's not clear how the Kinsey Reports feel about this, because while it says roughly 7-10% of people were 50/50 at some points in their life, I don't know how the Kinsey Report actually "judged" people to be 50/50, and I can't seem to find the percentage of people that fell anywhere from 1-5 (the 'tweeners) or again, how it was determined that they were a 'tweener to begin with. I'm not discounting the Kinsey Reports themselves, but it'd be nice to have additional/clearer information about the data and methodology.

 

 

Look, I agree, without hard data (and how can you even measure something like this?), its all just armchair philosophy.

 

But let me ask you this (and I apologize for the crudeness of the question but...) have you ever watched/enjoyed shemale porn?

Edited April 26, 2017 by Heijoushin

[ShadySands]

I dunno. I think the cultural/societal aspect to it is pretty large because it's way more accepted/expected for a woman to "kiss a girl and like it" and thus I've know way more women who've "dabbled" and are open about it than men to whom it's less of a... I don't know what.

 

Sorry, I've had way too much to drink to hold any coherent thoughts