Politics 2017 part 4

[HoonDing]

They use the Deep State Web

[Guard Dog]

Fake News = Anything that news consumer does not wish to be true.

 

Alternative facts = What news consumers choose to believe rather than Fake News.

[Zoraptor]

Yeah, if you're anti Trump you fixate on the term 'wire tap' and the claim of Obama himself ordering it directly, both of which are highly unlikely, and ignore the broader meaning. If you're pro Trump you instead look at the broad meaning of the tweet rather than the details. In that broad meaning Trump is clearly- and always was, for anyone who has read Snowden's or wikileaks' stuff- correct that he and his campaign were being monitored by the US government, but his details are not credible. Which is pretty typical Trump really, he's often right in the broad sense with bad details, or vice versa.

 

It is somewhat amusing to see the same newspapers that have been publishing huge numbers of articles 'sourced from anonymous members of the intelligence community' then claim that Trump wasn't 'wire tapped'- because there was no physical device applied to his land line. It is technically true, of course.

[Obsidian sucks]

What do you know... they really were spying on Trump: http://dailycaller.com/2017/04/03/susan-rice-ordered-spy-agencies-to-produce-detailed-spreadsheets-involving-trump/

 

That's the thing about the Democrats. Expect nothing but dirt and corruption from them and you'll never be disappointed. Ditto for the elephants. 

 

Yes it seems our whole political system has been subverted by big money, which is slowly becoming synonymous with Globalist. Even the press, our government watchdogs, have long turned into mere mouthpieces for one side of the government or the other.

 

The fact that Obama did his best to sabotage Trumps presidency on his way out says to me they had nothing concrete on the guy because if they did Obama could have used it before the election, unless what HE was doing was illegal. Everything else seems a smear campaign to distract the Repubs from making much ground with thier new found power. Just more power struggles and hypocrisy at the expense of the American people...  

[Wrath of Dagon]

David Burge‏ 

@iowahawkblog

 

Journalism is about covering important stories. With a pillow, until they stop moving.

[BruceVC]

 

What do you know... they really were spying on Trump: http://dailycaller.com/2017/04/03/susan-rice-ordered-spy-agencies-to-produce-detailed-spreadsheets-involving-trump/

 

That's the thing about the Democrats. Expect nothing but dirt and corruption from them and you'll never be disappointed. Ditto for the elephants. 

 

Yes it seems our whole political system has been subverted by big money, which is slowly becoming synonymous with Globalist. Even the press, our government watchdogs, have long turned into mere mouthpieces for one side of the government or the other.

 

The fact that Obama did his best to sabotage Trumps presidency on his way out says to me they had nothing concrete on the guy because if they did Obama could have used it before the election, unless what HE was doing was illegal. Everything else seems a smear campaign to distract the Repubs from making much ground with thier new found power. Just more power struggles and hypocrisy at the expense of the American people...  

 

You Americans shouldn't worry about something that is implacable and inexorable      You know how many times I have mentioned Prism and other ways the government can monitor  whatever it wants internally in the USA and it sometimes it does for detection and analytical purposes

 

I sell that eDiscovery software that is based in the USA and some information became apparent to me. None of you have noticed anything which is exactly what I expected ....and mentioned to you, its about your domestic security and to be honest imagine having  to get the permissions of every person analyzed. It would be an arduous task and since this company is associated with NSA I dont think it needs to ask?

 

Sorry if this sounds rude and I am technically under NDA but I think you guys can appreciate the reality, the USA is under attack so I am confident most of you guys get it

[Raithe]

To keep the politics world wide...

 

Moscow Times - Russian court bans image suggesting Putin is gay, and sentences the culprit to compulsory psychiatric care

[Ben No.3]

Say what?

 

Hah! You amuse me Bruce. I used to side with you. But right now, I am shocked at what you are saying.

 

Our every move is tracked. Every single aspect of our lives are under close surveillance. There is literally we can do without at least three different institutions knowing about it. Privacy is non existent. This is an existential thread to freedom. And not only that everything we do is watched, no, the information gained can now be bought and sold, and we are not as much as compensated for it; needless to say asked for permission. This is the worst kind of exploitation! Our lives are monetarised without us having any influence over it. And indeed, the machine the gained wealth fuels is aimed solely at making us good customers that buy more and more products without thinking about what they are doing. By simply doing as much as living, we are dooming our freedom and integrity.

 

And now you tell us we should be thankful. For what? For being the puppet used to create the wealth of a few privileged? For being watched in our every step? For being ruled by a government that at times is nothing but the extended arm of the upper class? Is this your idea of "responsible capitalism"?

[Chilloutman]

Yeah, eat each other leftist scum, thats how it always ends xD

[Ben No.3]

Yeah, eat each other leftist scum, thats how it always ends xD

Oh please... if there is no strong left, you end up with scenarios like 2008. Neo liberalism has failed.

 

Besides, surveillance is no question inherent to either the left or the right wing.

Edited April 5, 2017 by Ben No.3

[BruceVC]

Say what?

 

Hah! You amuse me Bruce. I used to side with you. But right now, I am shocked at what you are saying.

 

Our every move is tracked. Every single aspect of our lives are under close surveillance. There is literally we can do without at least three different institutions knowing about it. Privacy is non existent. This is an existential thread to freedom. And not only that everything we do is watched, no, the information gained can now be bought and sold, and we are not as much as compensated for it; needless to say asked for permission. This is the worst kind of exploitation! Our lives are monetarised without us having any influence over it. And indeed, the machine the gained wealth fuels is aimed solely at making us good customers that buy more and more products without thinking about what they are doing. By simply doing as much as living, we are dooming our freedom and integrity.

 

And now you tell us we should be thankful. For what? For being the puppet used to create the wealth of a few privileged? For being watched in our every step? For being ruled by a government that at times is nothing but the extended arm of the upper class? Is this your idea of "responsible capitalism"?

It isnt a big deal losing what you think is privacy, you have been told your whole life " you need your privacy " or " your privacy is your personal obligation " ..says who? You will be fine  if sometimes people are able to check your status and monitor certain Internet traffic, and yes this does mean you will have to accept there are people much clever than you who have your best interest in  mind. You can trust  me on this one 

 

But unless you are a terrorist, paedophile or other demented deviant of the dark web then you will have nothing to worry about 

[Chilloutman]

 

Say what?

 

Hah! You amuse me Bruce. I used to side with you. But right now, I am shocked at what you are saying.

 

Our every move is tracked. Every single aspect of our lives are under close surveillance. There is literally we can do without at least three different institutions knowing about it. Privacy is non existent. This is an existential thread to freedom. And not only that everything we do is watched, no, the information gained can now be bought and sold, and we are not as much as compensated for it; needless to say asked for permission. This is the worst kind of exploitation! Our lives are monetarised without us having any influence over it. And indeed, the machine the gained wealth fuels is aimed solely at making us good customers that buy more and more products without thinking about what they are doing. By simply doing as much as living, we are dooming our freedom and integrity.

 

And now you tell us we should be thankful. For what? For being the puppet used to create the wealth of a few privileged? For being watched in our every step? For being ruled by a government that at times is nothing but the extended arm of the upper class? Is this your idea of "responsible capitalism"?

It isnt a big deal losing what you think is privacy, you have been told your whole life " you need your privacy " or " your privacy is your personal obligation " ..says who? You will be fine  if sometimes people are able to check your status and monitor certain Internet traffic, and yes this does mean you will have to accept there are people much clever than you who have your best interest in  mind. You can trust  me on this one 

 

But unless you are a terrorist, paedophile or other demented deviant of the dark web then you will have nothing to worry about

 

what if I am deviant? Who is going to decide what deviant is? Is gay deviant? Slippery slope

[Ben No.3]

 

Say what?

 

Hah! You amuse me Bruce. I used to side with you. But right now, I am shocked at what you are saying.

 

Our every move is tracked. Every single aspect of our lives are under close surveillance. There is literally we can do without at least three different institutions knowing about it. Privacy is non existent. This is an existential thread to freedom. And not only that everything we do is watched, no, the information gained can now be bought and sold, and we are not as much as compensated for it; needless to say asked for permission. This is the worst kind of exploitation! Our lives are monetarised without us having any influence over it. And indeed, the machine the gained wealth fuels is aimed solely at making us good customers that buy more and more products without thinking about what they are doing. By simply doing as much as living, we are dooming our freedom and integrity.

 

And now you tell us we should be thankful. For what? For being the puppet used to create the wealth of a few privileged? For being watched in our every step? For being ruled by a government that at times is nothing but the extended arm of the upper class? Is this your idea of "responsible capitalism"?

It isnt a big deal losing what you think is privacy, you have been told your whole life " you need your privacy " or " your privacy is your personal obligation " ..says who? You will be fine if sometimes people are able to check your status and monitor certain Internet traffic, and yes this does mean you will have to accept there are people much clever than you who have your best interest in mind. You can trust me on this one

 

But unless you are a terrorist, paedophile or other demented deviant of the dark web then you will have nothing to worry about

Democracy requires that I am not afraid of my government. Democracy requires that I have no reason to be afraid when voicing my opinions. If you are okay with taking a dissidents freedom, you'll find yourself having ended up unfree very quickly.

 

Democracy also requires that my opinions are taken seriously. You asks who says that my privacy is important. Well, I say so. And not only am I entitled to my opinion, but a government that claims to be democratic should under all circumstances be required to follow this opinion. It is, after all, neither dangerous nor illegal. As long as I am not breaking the law and I do not consent, te government has absolutely no justification to spy on me.

 

When did we stop assuming innocence until proven guilty and started to say "if you got nothing to hide..."? This mindset, if followed through, places far too much power in the hand of the government. A monitored people are not a free people, regardless of wether they can choose their oppressors every four years or not.

 

Indeed, I would go as far as to say that you, Bruce, and the opinions you defend are the backsrabbers of democracy; driven by fear and naivety.

[BruceVC]

 

 

Say what?

 

Hah! You amuse me Bruce. I used to side with you. But right now, I am shocked at what you are saying.

 

Our every move is tracked. Every single aspect of our lives are under close surveillance. There is literally we can do without at least three different institutions knowing about it. Privacy is non existent. This is an existential thread to freedom. And not only that everything we do is watched, no, the information gained can now be bought and sold, and we are not as much as compensated for it; needless to say asked for permission. This is the worst kind of exploitation! Our lives are monetarised without us having any influence over it. And indeed, the machine the gained wealth fuels is aimed solely at making us good customers that buy more and more products without thinking about what they are doing. By simply doing as much as living, we are dooming our freedom and integrity.

 

And now you tell us we should be thankful. For what? For being the puppet used to create the wealth of a few privileged? For being watched in our every step? For being ruled by a government that at times is nothing but the extended arm of the upper class? Is this your idea of "responsible capitalism"?

It isnt a big deal losing what you think is privacy, you have been told your whole life " you need your privacy " or " your privacy is your personal obligation " ..says who? You will be fine  if sometimes people are able to check your status and monitor certain Internet traffic, and yes this does mean you will have to accept there are people much clever than you who have your best interest in  mind. You can trust  me on this one 

 

But unless you are a terrorist, paedophile or other demented deviant of the dark web then you will have nothing to worry about

 

what if I am deviant? Who is going to decide what deviant is? Is gay deviant? Slippery slope

 

No members of the LGBT  community are not deviants, you may get heavily scrutinized though but that's because where you live

 

Everyone knows about the porn industry in Czech 

[Guard Dog]

 

Say what?

 

Hah! You amuse me Bruce. I used to side with you. But right now, I am shocked at what you are saying.

 

Our every move is tracked. Every single aspect of our lives are under close surveillance. There is literally we can do without at least three different institutions knowing about it. Privacy is non existent. This is an existential thread to freedom. And not only that everything we do is watched, no, the information gained can now be bought and sold, and we are not as much as compensated for it; needless to say asked for permission. This is the worst kind of exploitation! Our lives are monetarised without us having any influence over it. And indeed, the machine the gained wealth fuels is aimed solely at making us good customers that buy more and more products without thinking about what they are doing. By simply doing as much as living, we are dooming our freedom and integrity.

 

And now you tell us we should be thankful. For what? For being the puppet used to create the wealth of a few privileged? For being watched in our every step? For being ruled by a government that at times is nothing but the extended arm of the upper class? Is this your idea of "responsible capitalism"?

It isnt a big deal losing what you think is privacy, you have been told your whole life " you need your privacy " or " your privacy is your personal obligation " ..says who? You will be fine  if sometimes people are able to check your status and monitor certain Internet traffic, and yes this does mean you will have to accept there are people much clever than you who have your best interest in  mind. You can trust  me on this one 

 

But unless you are a terrorist, paedophile or other demented deviant of the dark web then you will have nothing to worry about 

 

More and more I have been considering a retirement life disconnected from the internet and everything else too. Lately I've been fascinated by the notion of a completely self sufficient home with no utilities, bills, etc. An added bonus to that kind of life is completely safe from the prying eyes of "Big Brother". Unless they felt a need to use drones or human agents to watch me. 

[Chilloutman]

 

 

 

Say what?

 

Hah! You amuse me Bruce. I used to side with you. But right now, I am shocked at what you are saying.

 

Our every move is tracked. Every single aspect of our lives are under close surveillance. There is literally we can do without at least three different institutions knowing about it. Privacy is non existent. This is an existential thread to freedom. And not only that everything we do is watched, no, the information gained can now be bought and sold, and we are not as much as compensated for it; needless to say asked for permission. This is the worst kind of exploitation! Our lives are monetarised without us having any influence over it. And indeed, the machine the gained wealth fuels is aimed solely at making us good customers that buy more and more products without thinking about what they are doing. By simply doing as much as living, we are dooming our freedom and integrity.

 

And now you tell us we should be thankful. For what? For being the puppet used to create the wealth of a few privileged? For being watched in our every step? For being ruled by a government that at times is nothing but the extended arm of the upper class? Is this your idea of "responsible capitalism"?

It isnt a big deal losing what you think is privacy, you have been told your whole life " you need your privacy " or " your privacy is your personal obligation " ..says who? You will be fine  if sometimes people are able to check your status and monitor certain Internet traffic, and yes this does mean you will have to accept there are people much clever than you who have your best interest in  mind. You can trust  me on this one 

 

But unless you are a terrorist, paedophile or other demented deviant of the dark web then you will have nothing to worry about

 

what if I am deviant? Who is going to decide what deviant is? Is gay deviant? Slippery slope

 

No members of the LGBT  community are not deviants, you may get heavily scrutinized though but that's because where you live

 

Everyone knows about the porn industry in Czech

 

LGTB? And what about BDSM? You know its illegal in UK right? Are you ok with them being jailed?

[Guard Dog]

 

 

Say what?

 

Hah! You amuse me Bruce. I used to side with you. But right now, I am shocked at what you are saying.

 

Our every move is tracked. Every single aspect of our lives are under close surveillance. There is literally we can do without at least three different institutions knowing about it. Privacy is non existent. This is an existential thread to freedom. And not only that everything we do is watched, no, the information gained can now be bought and sold, and we are not as much as compensated for it; needless to say asked for permission. This is the worst kind of exploitation! Our lives are monetarised without us having any influence over it. And indeed, the machine the gained wealth fuels is aimed solely at making us good customers that buy more and more products without thinking about what they are doing. By simply doing as much as living, we are dooming our freedom and integrity.

 

And now you tell us we should be thankful. For what? For being the puppet used to create the wealth of a few privileged? For being watched in our every step? For being ruled by a government that at times is nothing but the extended arm of the upper class? Is this your idea of "responsible capitalism"?

It isnt a big deal losing what you think is privacy, you have been told your whole life " you need your privacy " or " your privacy is your personal obligation " ..says who? You will be fine if sometimes people are able to check your status and monitor certain Internet traffic, and yes this does mean you will have to accept there are people much clever than you who have your best interest in mind. You can trust me on this one

 

But unless you are a terrorist, paedophile or other demented deviant of the dark web then you will have nothing to worry about

Democracy requires that I am not afraid of my government. Democracy requires that I have no reason to be afraid when voicing my opinions. If you are okay with taking a dissidents freedom, you'll find yourself having ended up unfree very quickly.

 

Democracy also requires that my opinions are taken seriously. You asks who says that my privacy is important. Well, I say so. And not only am I entitled to my opinion, but a government that claims to be democratic should under all circumstances be required to follow this opinion. It is, after all, neither dangerous nor illegal. As long as I am not breaking the law and I do not consent, te government has absolutely no justification to spy on me.

 

When did we stop assuming innocence until proven guilty and started to say "if you got nothing to hide..."? This mindset, if followed through, places far too much power in the hand of the government. A monitored people are not a free people, regardless of wether they can choose their oppressors every four years or not.

 

Indeed, I would go as far as to say that you, Bruce, and the opinions you defend are the backsrabbers of democracy; driven by fear and naivety.

 

Completely agree

[Gfted1]

More and more I have been considering a retirement life disconnected from the internet and everything else too. Lately I've been fascinated by the notion of a completely self sufficient home with no utilities, bills, etc. An added bonus to that kind of life is completely safe from the prying eyes of "Big Brother". Unless they felt a need to use drones or human agents to watch me.

They could literally force me to strap a GoPro to my wang before I would go live off the grid. "Privacy" aint that important to me.

[Ben No.3]

 

 

 

Say what?

 

Hah! You amuse me Bruce. I used to side with you. But right now, I am shocked at what you are saying.

 

Our every move is tracked. Every single aspect of our lives are under close surveillance. There is literally we can do without at least three different institutions knowing about it. Privacy is non existent. This is an existential thread to freedom. And not only that everything we do is watched, no, the information gained can now be bought and sold, and we are not as much as compensated for it; needless to say asked for permission. This is the worst kind of exploitation! Our lives are monetarised without us having any influence over it. And indeed, the machine the gained wealth fuels is aimed solely at making us good customers that buy more and more products without thinking about what they are doing. By simply doing as much as living, we are dooming our freedom and integrity.

 

And now you tell us we should be thankful. For what? For being the puppet used to create the wealth of a few privileged? For being watched in our every step? For being ruled by a government that at times is nothing but the extended arm of the upper class? Is this your idea of "responsible capitalism"?

It isnt a big deal losing what you think is privacy, you have been told your whole life " you need your privacy " or " your privacy is your personal obligation " ..says who? You will be fine if sometimes people are able to check your status and monitor certain Internet traffic, and yes this does mean you will have to accept there are people much clever than you who have your best interest in mind. You can trust me on this one

 

But unless you are a terrorist, paedophile or other demented deviant of the dark web then you will have nothing to worry about

Democracy requires that I am not afraid of my government. Democracy requires that I have no reason to be afraid when voicing my opinions. If you are okay with taking a dissidents freedom, you'll find yourself having ended up unfree very quickly.

 

Democracy also requires that my opinions are taken seriously. You asks who says that my privacy is important. Well, I say so. And not only am I entitled to my opinion, but a government that claims to be democratic should under all circumstances be required to follow this opinion. It is, after all, neither dangerous nor illegal. As long as I am not breaking the law and I do not consent, te government has absolutely no justification to spy on me.

 

When did we stop assuming innocence until proven guilty and started to say "if you got nothing to hide..."? This mindset, if followed through, places far too much power in the hand of the government. A monitored people are not a free people, regardless of wether they can choose their oppressors every four years or not.

 

Indeed, I would go as far as to say that you, Bruce, and the opinions you defend are the backsrabbers of democracy; driven by fear and naivety.

Completely agree

Bruce, if GuardDog and me, of all persons, agree on something, you might have a problem.

[Chilloutman]

 

More and more I have been considering a retirement life disconnected from the internet and everything else too. Lately I've been fascinated by the notion of a completely self sufficient home with no utilities, bills, etc. An added bonus to that kind of life is completely safe from the prying eyes of "Big Brother". Unless they felt a need to use drones or human agents to watch me.

They could literally force me to strap a GoPro to my wang before I would go live off the grid. "Privacy" aint that important to me.

 

[Guard Dog]

 

More and more I have been considering a retirement life disconnected from the internet and everything else too. Lately I've been fascinated by the notion of a completely self sufficient home with no utilities, bills, etc. An added bonus to that kind of life is completely safe from the prying eyes of "Big Brother". Unless they felt a need to use drones or human agents to watch me.

They could literally force me to strap a GoPro to my wang before I would go live off the grid. "Privacy" aint that important to me.

 

If I ever disappear from the forums you'll know I went "grizzly Adams"!

[Chilloutman]

 

 

More and more I have been considering a retirement life disconnected from the internet and everything else too. Lately I've been fascinated by the notion of a completely self sufficient home with no utilities, bills, etc. An added bonus to that kind of life is completely safe from the prying eyes of "Big Brother". Unless they felt a need to use drones or human agents to watch me.

They could literally force me to strap a GoPro to my wang before I would go live off the grid. "Privacy" aint that important to me.

 

If I ever disappear from the forums you'll know I went "grizzly Adams"!

 

PM me when you done that, will come to visit

[Guard Dog]

 

 

 

More and more I have been considering a retirement life disconnected from the internet and everything else too. Lately I've been fascinated by the notion of a completely self sufficient home with no utilities, bills, etc. An added bonus to that kind of life is completely safe from the prying eyes of "Big Brother". Unless they felt a need to use drones or human agents to watch me.

They could literally force me to strap a GoPro to my wang before I would go live off the grid. "Privacy" aint that important to me.

 

If I ever disappear from the forums you'll know I went "grizzly Adams"!

 

PM me when you done that, will come to visit

 

Will do... bring beer!

[Ben No.3]

 

 

 

 

More and more I have been considering a retirement life disconnected from the internet and everything else too. Lately I've been fascinated by the notion of a completely self sufficient home with no utilities, bills, etc. An added bonus to that kind of life is completely safe from the prying eyes of "Big Brother". Unless they felt a need to use drones or human agents to watch me.

They could literally force me to strap a GoPro to my wang before I would go live off the grid. "Privacy" aint that important to me.

If I ever disappear from the forums you'll know I went "grizzly Adams"!

PM me when you done that, will come to visit

Will do... bring beer!

German beer, I hope?

[Chilloutman]

 

 

 

 

More and more I have been considering a retirement life disconnected from the internet and everything else too. Lately I've been fascinated by the notion of a completely self sufficient home with no utilities, bills, etc. An added bonus to that kind of life is completely safe from the prying eyes of "Big Brother". Unless they felt a need to use drones or human agents to watch me.

They could literally force me to strap a GoPro to my wang before I would go live off the grid. "Privacy" aint that important to me.

 

If I ever disappear from the forums you'll know I went "grizzly Adams"!

 

PM me when you done that, will come to visit

 

Will do... bring beer!

 

Man I am Czech, we don't go anywhere without at least a keg