Making the "Black Isle Bastards" come true! Crowd funding a pirate crew!

[FlintlockJazz]

If we can find a reliable way to do it, then sure. Don't want to hand in my money to a complete stranger

Hello my friend!  I am collecting for the Obsidian Order, to get your pierat ship we need you to wire over moneys to us.  This just act as deposit until you can get ship, now send us all your bank details!

[mothra]

I would be up for this.

Imo the "easiest" option would be to elect a pirate captain that collects the money via paypal, buys the ship-tier and any surpluss goes to to the devs.

If someone from Obsidian would take that role it would put alot of minds at ease and it solves the "problem" of all the extra stuff in the tier having to be distributed/voted upon.

The minimum entry fee of 8$ should stay, you can donate more but it should not entitle you to anything.

The way to immortalize yourself as part of the crew or other means should be a random draw, if many ppl donate there is no way everyone can be an actual named pirate NPC on the ship. The dev would be the captain, anyone else gets to pick from certain ranks in the crew and if the person is unlucky with the draw he gets a nameplate on the ship or something (like graves were in PE1). Set up a form to fill out for the dev to collect which he then can check against the donations, e.g.

paypal account name - possible ingame name - possible ship crew rank.

At the end of the campaign once the money actually gets wired the dev randomly picks the crew.

Edited January 30, 2017 by mothra

[Osvir]

There might be another way to do it, but Obsidian would have to agree to it, and those involved in paying need to have a steady reliable income for at least 10 months.

 

Basically a subscription system, 5 people $100 a month = $5000.

[Karkarov]

EDIT: If we have enough, maybe we could simply ask Obsidian to pile those willing together and put it in the $5000 tier instead? Would solve the logistics pretty neatly.

It would, and I bet you between a few of us we would be there.  For example, just you and me Osvir would put us around 10% of the way there already.

 

Catch 22, you don't get what you actually backed for anymore.  Not sure how many people would be willing to give up their cool collectors stuff in exchange for 1 vote about a pirate ship/crew, and 1 digital key.

 

There might be another way to do it, but Obsidian would have to agree to it, and those involved in paying need to have a steady reliable income for at least 10 months.

 

Basically a subscription system, 5 people $100 a month = $5000.

While this is a neat idea it requires one of two things.   Obsidian either has to "good faith" take a ship off of fig.  Or agree to allow a special 3rd crew as a one time thing not available through kickstarter.

Edited January 30, 2017 by Karkarov

[Boeroer]

I think the easiest way is that one trustworthy guy or gal (=captain) collects the money/keeps the records and then buys the ship. Then stays in contact with the participants in order to coordinate the realization (=talks to participants and to OBS). This could involve some work and a lot of communication.

 

I don't know how many pirates usually are on one ship, but 8$ seems to be too low. Too many pirates and too much fuzz for the captain. 625 pirates... must be a big, big galleon with two or three rowing decks.

 

Or maybe one could buy special positions. You know: captain costs x$, first mate y$... guy in the crow's nest costs z$... going down to rowing slaves which cost 10$ each.

Maybe this way you could lower the overall number of pirates and still reach 5000$.

 

But how do you prove your trustworthyness? Hm...

Edited January 30, 2017 by Boeroer

[FlintlockJazz]

I believe many of the smaller ships like sloops could be manned by about 8 people, in fact many of the ships of the time could manned by quite a few and those engaging in trade often did to maximise profits.  A pirate ship, however, would have more since they would need enough to board another ship, repair damage from battle, to compensate for losses in battle, and man the guns, as would military ships.  I'd say 50 for a small pirate ship to be about right.

[Boeroer]

I just looked up spanish galleons and the big ones had up to 200 guys running the boat and up to 500(!) soldiers.

 

Easy!

[FlintlockJazz]

Yeah, they were huge but I wasn't sure on the numbers.  Not sure Eora has galleons yet though, might be too early for them.  Do we have any inkling on just how advanced their ship technology is?  The overall setting seems to be late medieval/early Renaissance but with changes like no printing press I believe (or at least they announced that was the case in development during PoE 1, dunno if they changed it since), so we could be looking at caravels and/or carracks?  Think they could get crew sizes of about 200 still, and of course Eora may be more advanced in shipbuilding techniques than our world at the time.

[Fluffle]

Uhm, actually you should distinguish between two things here:

 

1.) The pirate crew on this forum. There is no limit to the size of it. The pirate group on this forum would be the equivalent of the "Obsidian Order of Eternity" from the Kickstarter campaign for Pillars 1.

 

2.) The pirate band and their ship that are featured in the game Pillars of Eternity 2.

 

 

What would you get for your 8$ ?

You would be granted the membership to the pirate group on this forum. You might get a special forum badge for that.

 

And, as was suggested, you might get a chance per RANDOM DRAW to work on the actual pirate group and the ship that is going

to be featured in the game. OR we, as the pirate crew on this forum, could all work together on the actual pirate group and the ship

that is going to be featured in the game. We would do this mainly by voting I would imagine.

Or you know, someone proposes something and we count the forum likes to that post that were given by members of our forum pirate crew.

 

So to make it clear the 8$ membership fee would in no way guarantee that you are featured in the game.

Edited February 13, 2017 by Fluffle

[Boeroer]

Ach random draw stinks.

 

Why not a few rowing decks with hundrets of slaves - all the same models - who have names... each worth 8$? Would be fun. Sure - sombody needs to convince OBS to put a pirate galleon into the game...

[Fluffle]

The final decision if we can do this at all and in what way lies with Obsidian.

 

I sent a message to Aarik D on this forum and I told the devs in the Fig campaign comment section about this.

Let Obsidian decide how and if they are going to support this idea.

 

And remember, the actual spirit of this was to additionally support Obsidian without asking for anything in return. That was the spirit of the original "Obsidian Order of Eternity".

Back then, you got a custom forum title for that, and that was it

Edited January 30, 2017 by Fluffle

[Leferd]

Ach random draw stinks.

 

Why not a few rowing decks with hundrets of slaves - all the same models - who have names... each worth 8$? Would be fun. Sure - sombody needs to convince OBS to put a pirate galleon into the game...

That's pretty good. Although technically, it would have to be a galley. Maybe also have a ships rolls in the Captain's cabin.

[Osvir]

Which are the important positions?

 

- Captain

- First Mate

- Navigator

- Quartermaster

...?

 

How many are there? 10? 15? 20?

[Gromnir]

 

Ach random draw stinks.

 

Why not a few rowing decks with hundrets of slaves - all the same models - who have names... each worth 8$? Would be fun. Sure - sombody needs to convince OBS to put a pirate galleon into the game...

That's pretty good. Although technically, it would have to be a galley. Maybe also have a ships rolls in the Captain's cabin.

 

first of all, as Gromnir has already been a prominent npc in a crpg, am not gonna want our likeness added, so if we contribute, we don't need/want our likeness in poe2.   

 

suggestion 1: don't try and maximize bodies. am thinking it is best to start with the understanding many will not get mention, save for as  leferd identifies, mention in ship's log; perhaps as those brave pirate heroes lost to sea and blade and (more likely) amoebic dysentery. on the roll of deceased, let funder actual choose means o' death from a shortlist o' three or four options?  dunno. create enormous rowing galley if such is not practical makes little sense.  though you can ask obsidian we s'pose.  regardless, come up with a good idea for a pirate ship theme but don't try and design so it accommodates more contributors. there will be folks left out.  fine.  best to start with that recognition than to have it forced 'pon folks.

 

oh, and am suspecting the best option is worst option.  

 

suggestion 2: have funders submit pirate character sketches/bios and let obsidian choose from a more manageable shortlist advanced to them to populate the ship.  turn into a kinda board contest where best twenty or thirty as determined by boardie votes (or some other means) is then advanced to obsidian who is making final choice. let obsidian make minor/major changes if need be.  such would be our suggestion if not for having seen innumerable board contests in the past.  gonna need have folks, particular the losers, be mature.  is perhaps too much to ask based on past experience.  nevertheless, am thinking with our suggestion you end up with the best pirate crew possible. 

 

HA! Good Fun!

Edited January 30, 2017 by Gromnir

[Osvir]

http://pirates.hegewisch.net/capcrew.html

 

There's 13 categories.

 

One "Chief" NPC, and a couple of crewmates under em depending on the position they hold.

 

- Captain (1 slot)

- Quartermaster (1 slot)

- First Mate (1 slot)

- Boatswain (1 Chief slot, 4 crew slots)

- Cabin Boy (1 slot)

- Carpenter (1 Chief slot, 4 crew slots)

- Master Gunner (1 slot, 4 Gunner slots)

- Pilot/Helmsman (1 slot)

- Powder Monkey (5 slots)

- Sea Artist/Navigator (1 slot)

- Striker (3 slots)

- Surgeon (1 slot, 1 assistant slot)

 

These numbers are just examples.

 

But, ~30 named crew potentially. Or 30 people paying ~$165-$175 each.

[FlintlockJazz]

Actually, a ship's crew log containing everyone's name and rank could work.   Or rather, make them the Ship's Articles that every pirate was required to sign when joining a crew (was a Pirate's Code they were all obliged to follow and defined how plunder was divided etc).  People get to choose or create their own rank, in a similar vein to how the Obsidian Order allowed them to choose their forum title, so for instance Jazz, Ship's Rabbit.  Doesn't even have to be a pirate ship in game, could be a document the player can find left lying in a tavern or maybe on a shipwreck they can find, so we don't actually have to 'buy' the pirate ship reward and removes the need for us to work out who gets to design it all.

[Osvir]

I had the idea of having a soul ghost ship, and if you'd hover the mouse over the hull you'd see all the names of those who pledged.

 

Like, the ship actually being souls trapped/imprisoned in the side of the hull.

Edited January 30, 2017 by Osvir

[Sempavor]

Whereas I joined the Obsidian Order years ago as a bandit, I think it makes sense to me if I'll join a pirate crew.

[LordCrash]

 

so we don't actually have to 'buy' the pirate ship reward and removes the need for us to work out who gets to design it all.

Simple solution to that: The user who contriuted the most money to the cause will get to design the ship...

 

[Leferd]

 gonna need have folks, particular the losers, be mature.  is perhaps too much to ask based on past experience.  

 

 

Yeah, this may not go over so well. Will people have learned since 2000?

[Sempavor]

Doesn't even have to be a pirate ship in game, could be a document the player can find left lying in a tavern or maybe on a shipwreck they can find, so we don't actually have to 'buy' the pirate ship reward and removes the need for us to work out who gets to design it all.

That's a really good idea.

 

It would be an interesting sidequest to discover the fate of the Obsidian Pirates' ship. The ship disappeared years ago, and it's time to unravel the mistery: was it because of a monster of the Deadfire arcipelago? Is the ship really gone? What was the fate of all those pirates? And the main question is: How are these disappeared pirates connected to the mysterious Obsidian Order?

[FlintlockJazz]

 

 

so we don't actually have to 'buy' the pirate ship reward and removes the need for us to work out who gets to design it all.

Simple solution to that: The user who contriuted the most money to the cause will get to design the ship...

 

 

 

Cunning, evil but cunning!  Wind up with users contributing more money than needed to buy their own ship, and still not winning. 

 

Doesn't even have to be a pirate ship in game, could be a document the player can find left lying in a tavern or maybe on a shipwreck they can find, so we don't actually have to 'buy' the pirate ship reward and removes the need for us to work out who gets to design it all.

That's a really good idea.

 

It would be an interesting sidequest to discover the fate of the Obsidian Pirates' ship. The ship disappeared years ago, and it's time to unravel the mistery: was it because of a monster of the Deadfire arcipelago? Is the ship really gone? What was the fate of all those pirates? And the main question is: How are these disappeared pirates connected to the mysterious Obsidian Order?

 

Ooo!  I like that quest idea!  Yeah, lets do that!

[mieu]

Buccaneers of the Obsidian Order

 

would be cool and in keeping with tradition

 

Pieces of eight, pieces of eight 

x.

Edited January 30, 2017 by mieu

[Osvir]

 

 

so we don't actually have to 'buy' the pirate ship reward and removes the need for us to work out who gets to design it all.

Simple solution to that: The user who contriuted the most money to the cause will get to design the ship...

 

 

 

Have in-competition, fan art, concept ideas. Then discuss and poll.

 

​What sort of theme would the ship be? What sort of Captain? It doesn't have to be resemblance to anybody nor anyone who pays the most, except just a cool story and cool crew as well, something everybody can participate in, in discussion. Majority decides direction. But there needs to be a core theme. "Pirate ship!" yes, it's cool, but thus far there's been very few ideas and instead just mostly discussion about "How would we logistically and faithfully pay one person $5000 to get a pirate ship".

 

​What sort of Captain is it really? Background? Powers? Race? Reason for piracy? Ghost? Pirate King? And the First Mate, who is he/she? How did the crew meet and decide for piracy? Who's the Navigator? And the Master?

 

​All I can think of for people that pay more would be the documentation lead of a group of, say, 30 people, and discuss and design the Pirate Ship together, and also compile as many ideas neatly. On another end, 30 other people design the Captain, and furthermore, 30 people designing the First Mate.

 

​Then each group checks in with each other every now and then, to check up on what we're creating.

 

​So with 300 people, that'd be 10 groups.

 

​Ship Design

​Background Design

Captain Design

​First Mate Design

Master Design

​etc. etc.

 

​Lots of work to do, if properly done.

Edited January 30, 2017 by Osvir

[illathid]

I'm in for contributing some money for the ship. Wasn't in the obsidian order but this sounds fun.