Why Political Correctness (Cultural Marxism) Must End!

[Hurlshort]

If I as in a position to advise Trump, I'd tell him to put one of those safe space safety pins on his jacket the next time he goes out.  I mean, if he's trying to tone down the rhetoric and bridge the gap between the other half of the country, that seems like a pretty tame symbol to adopt.  Either that or the symbol will lose any power it might have.  Just a thought.  

 

[Hurlshort]

Here is a worthwhile listen/read of a civil, post-election conversation between Al Letson (black NPR host/journalist) and Richard Spencer (White Nationalist/Alt-Right spokesman/racist).

 

https://www.revealnews.org/episodes/a-frank-conversation-with-a-white-nationalist/

 

Interesting how Spencer co-opted the term "safe space" for his purposes.

 

I read the transcript.  Spencer may be well-spoken, but he seems to be living in la-la-land.  His whole fantasy about an ethnostate is built around the idea that something tremendously terrible has to happen to get us there.  His Israel example fits well, because there was a World War and a Holocaust that resulted in those circumstances.  Not sure why we would want to recreate any of that.  He also kind of takes the whole history of racial subjugation and brushes it under the carpet.  It's not exactly ancient history, we aren't even a full generation removed from this stuff.

[PK htiw klaw eriF]

He thinks identity politics are new?

[Guard Dog]

If I as in a position to advise Trump, I'd tell him to put one of those safe space safety pins on his jacket the next time he goes out.  I mean, if he's trying to tone down the rhetoric and bridge the gap between the other half of the country, that seems like a pretty tame symbol to adopt.  Either that or the symbol will lose any power it might have.  Just a thought.  

 

I have to disagree with you on this one. I wouldn't validate this nonsense by wearing their symbol, even to undermine it. If I were advising him I's tell him to walk out look right into the camera and say this:

 

"You are adults. You are American citizens. ACT LIKE IT. We all have an expectation of civility and decency from our fellow citizens. We are expected to treat each other with respect and receive respect in return. If some of our brothers and sisters have fallen short of that ideal then the fault is on their small shoulders alone. Not on other people who might share their political, religious, cultural, or sexual persuasions. If you feel the need to express yourself by protesting then please feel free to do so. But that stops the moment property is destroyed, or fellow citizens assaulted. Then you are not protesters, you become criminals. If you feel the need to taunt and insult your fellow citizens because they voted differently, look differently,  think differently from you then you should take a moment of introspection to figure out why you feel such a useless and petty act is appropriate.  Then do it if you feel you must, because this is a free country.  But do so knowing you have let down me, your fellow citizens, and worst of all your own selves by doing so."

 

I wish we had a leader who WOULD say this. We don't.

[Malcador]

Wait, why is that nonsense? Is a bit touchy feely, perhaps.

[Gfted1]

I had to look latinx up. Huh, didn't even know that's a problem. But I'm not hispanic so that probably explains it.

[Guard Dog]

Wait, why is that nonsense? Is a bit touchy feely, perhaps.

Every last one of us should be expected to be held to that standard. Not just fools who think putting a safety pin on their cardigans makes them a better human being. It does not. 

[Malcador]

 

 

Wait, why is that nonsense? Is a bit touchy feely, perhaps.

Every last one of us should be expected to be held to that standard. Not just fools who think putting a safety pin on their cardigans makes them a better human being. It does not.

I see. But the symbol isn't nonsense, you've an issue with the people wearing it. Heh, kind of like the Cross that way

 

Still, doing Hurlshot's idea would be easy PR.

[Hurlshort]

And regardless of who Trump really is, he has a terrible image problem right now.  I mean, every President is going to have group that are just going to irrationally hate him, but Trump is setting a new bar.  Heck, even WoD was ready to not vote for him after the Billy Bush tape came out.  

 

 

 

"You are adults. You are American citizens. ACT LIKE IT. We all have an expectation of civility and decency from our fellow citizens. We are expected to treat each other with respect and receive respect in return. If some of our brothers and sisters have fallen short of that ideal then the fault is on their small shoulders alone. Not on other people who might share their political, religious, cultural, or sexual persuasions. If you feel the need to express yourself by protesting then please feel free to do so. But that stops the moment property is destroyed, or fellow citizens assaulted. Then you are not protesters, you become criminals. If you feel the need to taunt and insult your fellow citizens because they voted differently, look differently,  think differently from you then you should take a moment of introspection to figure out why you feel such a useless and petty act is appropriate.  Then do it if you feel you must, because this is a free country.  But do so knowing you have let down me, your fellow citizens, and worst of all your own selves by doing so."

 

I like this speech, but I don't see how it would serve Trump in any way.  It also seems to lump all protesters in with those who are getting violent, which is the same problem with lumping all Trump voters in with racists.  If every time we talk about Trump supporters, we feel the need to lecture on racism, it is just going to cause people to tune out.  

 

The perception of Trump is that he not in support of any of those things that the symbol is supposed to represent.  That may be totally inaccurate and irrational, but I don't see how it will hurt him to show support.  He already won the election, now would be a good time to start mending bridges (because people are flipping out over fences.)   

[Meshugger]

What if those Latinx, LGBQ, trans, muslim and people of color voted for Trump and feel better than ever?

[BruceVC]

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/donald-trump-60-minutes-interview-weighs-twitter-use-as-president/

 

Guys here is first honest interview Trump gave since winning the election

 

It should make anyone feel much better about his policies 

[Pidesco]

And regardless of who Trump really is, he has a terrible image problem right now.  I mean, every President is going to have group that are just going to irrationally hate him, but Trump is setting a new bar.  Heck, even WoD was ready to not vote for him after the Billy Bush tape came out.  

 

 

 

"You are adults. You are American citizens. ACT LIKE IT. We all have an expectation of civility and decency from our fellow citizens. We are expected to treat each other with respect and receive respect in return. If some of our brothers and sisters have fallen short of that ideal then the fault is on their small shoulders alone. Not on other people who might share their political, religious, cultural, or sexual persuasions. If you feel the need to express yourself by protesting then please feel free to do so. But that stops the moment property is destroyed, or fellow citizens assaulted. Then you are not protesters, you become criminals. If you feel the need to taunt and insult your fellow citizens because they voted differently, look differently,  think differently from you then you should take a moment of introspection to figure out why you feel such a useless and petty act is appropriate.  Then do it if you feel you must, because this is a free country.  But do so knowing you have let down me, your fellow citizens, and worst of all your own selves by doing so."

 

I like this speech, but I don't see how it would serve Trump in any way.  It also seems to lump all protesters in with those who are getting violent, which is the same problem with lumping all Trump voters in with racists.  If every time we talk about Trump supporters, we feel the need to lecture on racism, it is just going to cause people to tune out.  

 

The perception of Trump is that he not in support of any of those things that the symbol is supposed to represent.  That may be totally inaccurate and irrational, but I don't see how it will hurt him to show support.  He already won the election, now would be a good time to start mending bridges (because people are flipping out over fences.)   

 

Image problem right now? Another thing that baffles me about Trump followers is that he always had an image problem. Or ever since he has been in the public eye anyway. He has been getting sued for shady things since like the 70s, and he was always the poster boy for the evil landlord that screws over tenants for a buck and a half. It's not like the racist/sexist/clueless idiot born with a silver spoon in his mouth deal is a new thing either.

 

My dad used to buy Mad magazine, and this election cycle reminded me of how I came across Trump for the first time:

 

 

The internet tells me this is 1989.

 

And here's a bonus picture. I had completely forgotten about this until I just saw it in a google image search:

 

 

That's 1991.

[Darkpriest]

What is this? http://thefederalist.com/2016/11/17/turning-colleges-democrats-playgrounds-makes-students-weak-whiny/

[aluminiumtrioxid]

What is this? http://thefederalist.com/2016/11/17/turning-colleges-democrats-playgrounds-makes-students-weak-whiny/

 

A poorly written article, from what I'm seeing.

[BruceVC]

 

What is this? http://thefederalist.com/2016/11/17/turning-colleges-democrats-playgrounds-makes-students-weak-whiny/

 

A poorly written article, from what I'm seeing.

 

You being nice today? Its garbage and I would suggest people don't read it as its an insult to the intellectualism of any rationale person  

 

Oh wait I'm not suppose to be insulting any right wing articles or views for a week....okay this will be my last one for the next week      

[Meshugger]

What is this? http://thefederalist.com/2016/11/17/turning-colleges-democrats-playgrounds-makes-students-weak-whiny/

 

I would say that it highlights the problem. Limiting the spectrum of debate and removing western civilization history in the curriculum is anything but a detriment to the development of students in the west.

[Malcador]

 

 

What is this? http://thefederalist.com/2016/11/17/turning-colleges-democrats-playgrounds-makes-students-weak-whiny/

I would say that it highlights the problem. Limiting the spectrum of debate and removing western civilization history in the curriculum is anything but a detriment to the development of students in the west.

Is that being done? Even so that's not going to affect much more than the Artsies.

[Meshugger]

 

 

What is this? http://thefederalist.com/2016/11/17/turning-colleges-democrats-playgrounds-makes-students-weak-whiny/

I would say that it highlights the problem. Limiting the spectrum of debate and removing western civilization history in the curriculum is anything but a detriment to the development of students in the west.

Is that being done? Even so that's not going to affect much more than the Artsies.

 

 

You're a canuck right? Email Jordan Petersson at Toronto university and ask him about the state of the humanities at the moment.

[Guard Dog]

Wait you mean colleges are full of limp wristed, bed wetting, liberal pansies? This is news to you guys?

 

Actually they are not. But that has become a very vocal minority. I wouldn't worry about it. The opinions people have at 20 are different from what they will have at 30 and 40 and 50. Once they get into the real world, start paying real taxes and dealing with real family issues their perspectives will change.

[Malcador]

 

 

 

 

What is this? http://thefederalist.com/2016/11/17/turning-colleges-democrats-playgrounds-makes-students-weak-whiny/

I would say that it highlights the problem. Limiting the spectrum of debate and removing western civilization history in the curriculum is anything but a detriment to the development of students in the west.

Is that being done? Even so that's not going to affect much more than the Artsies.

You're a canuck right? Email Jordan Petersson at Toronto university and ask him about the state of the humanities at the moment.

Yeah, he's having his moment of fame right now. Hardly the state of humanities at U of T, let alone western universities.

 

And again, that's just going to affect artsies. STEM folk will take their "rounding" electives as always. And students will mature and change. Not as if not listening to others is a "lefty" thing anyway.

[Darkpriest]

Since there was some Milo vids here, apparently Brits have better sort of journalists did not see that interview live, and it's summarized probably by Breits hater, but still.

 

http://mashable.com/2016/11/17/milos-contradicts-himself/#WuvCMG0bTOqw

[majestic]

Well to be honest if there is a crime perpetrated by the mainstream media and the "left" then it is that their wolf-crying makes outlets like Breitbart look like a legit source of a counterpoint to the mainstream opinion, while in reality news there is just as opinionated and spun trash like everywhere else. Milo is like the Kim Karadashian of news - a sure sign that things are terribly wrong these days.

[BruceVC]

Well to be honest if there is a crime perpetrated by the mainstream media and the "left" then it is that their wolf-crying makes outlets like Breitbart look like a legit source of a counterpoint to the mainstream opinion, while in reality news there is just as opinionated and spun trash like everywhere else. Milo is like the Kim Karadashian of news - a sure sign that things are terribly wrong these days.

 

 

Since there was some Milo vids here, apparently Brits have better sort of journalists did not see that interview live, and it's summarized probably by Breits hater, but still.

 

http://mashable.com/2016/11/17/milos-contradicts-himself/#WuvCMG0bTOqw

It does concern me that some  people think Milo and Breitbart offer real insights into the news and social events that other forms of media dont have or refuse to discuss

 

One of the outcomes of this is actually an uninformed electorate who lack critical thinking. We saw aspects of this in the US elections where many Trump supporters simply refused to question anything Trump said and rejected anything from the numerous mainstream media sources

 

The good news in the case of this US election is that Trump didnt mean most of his most controversial comments so people blindly believing what he said and voting for him wont lead to  a potential political or economic crisis in the USA

 

But another Western  country, another leader who  follows the same rhetoric you could quite possibly see someone who gets elected and really tries to deport "11 million Latinos " 

[Guard Dog]

 

Well to be honest if there is a crime perpetrated by the mainstream media and the "left" then it is that their wolf-crying makes outlets like Breitbart look like a legit source of a counterpoint to the mainstream opinion, while in reality news there is just as opinionated and spun trash like everywhere else. Milo is like the Kim Karadashian of news - a sure sign that things are terribly wrong these days.

 

 

Since there was some Milo vids here, apparently Brits have better sort of journalists did not see that interview live, and it's summarized probably by Breits hater, but still.

 

http://mashable.com/2016/11/17/milos-contradicts-himself/#WuvCMG0bTOqw

It does concern me that some  people think Milo and Breitbart offer real insights into the news and social events that other forms of media dont have or refuse to discuss

 

One of the outcomes of this is actually an uninformed electorate who lack critical thinking. We saw aspects of this in the US elections where many Trump supporters simply refused to question anything Trump said and rejected anything from the numerous mainstream media sources

 

The good news in the case of this US election is that Trump didnt mean most of his most controversial comments so people blindly believing what he said and voting for him wont lead to  a potential political or economic crisis in the USA

 

But another Western  country, another leader who  follows the same rhetoric you could quite possibly see someone who gets elected and really tries to deport "11 million Latinos " 

 

Bruce I think you are still not seeing the point I was trying to make earlier. Nothing that was wrong with Trump made Hillary Clinton a better option for the folks who voted for him. For the 95 million Americans out of work Trump might lead to something bad, or he might not. But Clinton definitely led nowhere. The best case was more of the same. And that means no work and no hope.

[BruceVC]

 

 

Well to be honest if there is a crime perpetrated by the mainstream media and the "left" then it is that their wolf-crying makes outlets like Breitbart look like a legit source of a counterpoint to the mainstream opinion, while in reality news there is just as opinionated and spun trash like everywhere else. Milo is like the Kim Karadashian of news - a sure sign that things are terribly wrong these days.

 

 

Since there was some Milo vids here, apparently Brits have better sort of journalists did not see that interview live, and it's summarized probably by Breits hater, but still.

 

http://mashable.com/2016/11/17/milos-contradicts-himself/#WuvCMG0bTOqw

It does concern me that some  people think Milo and Breitbart offer real insights into the news and social events that other forms of media dont have or refuse to discuss

 

One of the outcomes of this is actually an uninformed electorate who lack critical thinking. We saw aspects of this in the US elections where many Trump supporters simply refused to question anything Trump said and rejected anything from the numerous mainstream media sources

 

The good news in the case of this US election is that Trump didnt mean most of his most controversial comments so people blindly believing what he said and voting for him wont lead to  a potential political or economic crisis in the USA

 

But another Western  country, another leader who  follows the same rhetoric you could quite possibly see someone who gets elected and really tries to deport "11 million Latinos " 

 

Bruce I think you are still not seeing the point I was trying to make earlier. Nothing that was wrong with Trump made Hillary Clinton a better option for the folks who voted for him. For the 95 million Americans out of work Trump might lead to something bad, or he might not. But Clinton definitely led nowhere. The best case was more of the same. And that means no work and no hope.

 

I do see the point, the post I made has nothing to do with Hillary or trying to justify her loss

 

She wasn't the right candidate and she wasn't the right woman to be the first women president in the USA. She was distrusted by many people and if people in a country like the USA don't believe a candidate has any integrity or that she is fundamentally mendacious then that candidate cannot hope to be president

 

Her own historical base didnt fully support her, only 51 % of college educated women voted for her. Some people on this forum assume I am inexorably bias to Hilary but even I am not so arrogant to now defend someone unnecessarily when her own support base did not endorse her 

 

Trump was the better and stronger candidate, no argument from  my side 

 

My point is simply that websites like Breitbart encourage a view that all other media is bias and that only they should be trusted to tell the truth 

 

Some people will believe this  and unintentionally become manipulated by the right wing ideological views of a website like Breitbart. The sad part of this and the obvious irony is that now these people are really being subjected to a bias view of the news. And yet they truly believe now there understanding of events is " the truth " 

 

This interview with Milo summarizes where the real hyperbole and misinformation exists. The quote below highlights  how much of what Breitbart says if critically analyzed will fail or reveal to be inconsistent

 

"  forced into a confusing set of contradictions Thursday on live television "