The US Election 2016, Part V

[Hurlshort]

 

 

 

Also failure to do any new water projects while the population doubled. They're also dumping fresh water into the ocean because of the salmon, I think that's what redneckdevil meant.

 

And which political group do you think is standing in the way of the new water projects?

 

Also I love Salmon.

I don't know, which one? Can't be the Republicans, they've been entirely castrated in CA.

Actually digging around seems to show that it is mostly corporations that seem to oppose his plans.

[Gromnir]

Here's just one example of the extremely widespread SNAP fraud:  http://nypost.com/2013/07/28/nyc-welfare-food-is-shipped-in-barrels-to-the-dominican-republic-then-sold-on-the-black-market/

 

States don't care about the fraud because all the funding comes from the feds, the fraud actually helps the state economy.

*chuckle*

 

perhaps "widespread" means something different in texan.    

 

HA! Good Fun!

[Wrath of Dagon]

 

 

 

Also failure to do any new water projects while the population doubled. They're also dumping fresh water into the ocean because of the salmon, I think that's what redneckdevil meant.

And which political group do you think is standing in the way of the new water projects?

 

Also I love Salmon.

I don't know, which one? Can't be the Republicans, they've been entirely castrated in CA.

Actually digging around seems to show that it is mostly corporations that seem to oppose his plans.

 

As much as I hate corporations, I would think it's the environmentalists that are more at fault here. But I haven't studied the issue.

[Guard Dog]

 

claim you is just kidding is only partial true, no?  nothing wrong with using funies to get a point across, but subtlety may not exact be your strong suit.

 

HA! Good Fun!

 

  OK that is probably fair

[Wrath of Dagon]

Hey, there's hope yet: http://www.breitbart.com/2016-presidential-race/2016/08/18/la-times-tracking-poll-clinton-44-percent-trump-43-4-percent/

 

Don't give up until the end.

[Guard Dog]

Less than a month to go, keep pushing: http://www.redstate.com/brandon_morse/2016/08/18/gary-johnson-may-soon-become-hard-parties-ignore/

[HoonDing]

Johnson's running mate looks like a film noir villain.

[Deadly_Nightshade]

Hey, there's hope yet: http://www.breitbart.com/2016-presidential-race/2016/08/18/la-times-tracking-poll-clinton-44-percent-trump-43-4-percent/Don't give up until the end.

I'm sure Breitbart is an objective source now that it's chairman is running Trump's campaign!

[Guard Dog]

 

Hey, there's hope yet: http://www.breitbart.com/2016-presidential-race/2016/08/18/la-times-tracking-poll-clinton-44-percent-trump-43-4-percent/Don't give up until the end.

I'm sure Breitbart is an objective source now that it's chairman is running Trump's campaign!

 

I wouldn't exactly call it objective before. But sites like Briebart, Infowars, World Net Daily are pretty up front with what they are about. There isn't any false advertising there. They are not masquerading as a legitimate news outlet. MSNBC on the other hand....

[Wrath of Dagon]

@Nightshade You think they're misreporting the results of the poll?

 

Johnson's running mate looks like a film noir villain.

They look like an old gay-married couple. Edited August 18, 2016 by Wrath of Dagon

[kgambit]

@GD: Johnson favors a tax system based on Consumer Spending right?
 

[Pidesco]

Johnson wants to end the IRS.

[Guard Dog]

@GD: Johnson favors a tax system based on Consumer Spending right?

 

Yes, a consumption tax like a national sales tax. Generally (at least in states I've lived in) it's applied to all non-essential (meaning not on grocery or medicine) purchases. Although he hasn't released specifics on how it would work or what would be exempt that I've seen.

 

On advantage though, everyone will be paying taxes. Rich, poor, legal and illegal. Because there is no escaping it the over all burden may be less than the income tax. It would certainly cost a heck of a lot less to collect. Of course, he can't wave a wand and make this happen. He'd have to get Congress to buy in.

Edited August 18, 2016 by Guard Dog

[Leferd]

A) The LA Times poll is only tracking Trump v Clinton head to head.

 

B) The LA Times polls have consistently skewed towards Trump and is the only poll recently that Trump.and the RNC have referenced.

 

C) The LA Times poll has been the only outlier amongst all other polls which have Clinton up 5.8pts in the aggregate heads up against Trump.

[Leferd]

Less than a month to go, keep pushing: http://www.redstate.com/brandon_morse/2016/08/18/gary-johnson-may-soon-become-hard-parties-ignore/

Clearly overstating his (potential) impact on the race.

[Wrath of Dagon]

 

@GD: Johnson favors a tax system based on Consumer Spending right?

Yes, a consumption tax like a national sales tax. Generally (at least in states I've lived in) it's applied to all non-essential (meaning not on grocery or medicine) purchases. Although he hasn't released specifics on how it would work or what would be exempt that I've seen.

 

On advantage though, everyone will be paying taxes. Rich, poor, legal and illegal. Because there is no escaping it the over all burden may be less than the income tax. It would certainly cost a heck of a lot less to collect. Of course, he can't wave a wand and make this happen. He'd have to get Congress to buy in.

 

Yes, let's shift all the tax burden on the poor people, since they spend 100% of their income, while the super-rich probably don't even spend 10%.

[kgambit]

 

 

@GD: Johnson favors a tax system based on Consumer Spending right?

Yes, a consumption tax like a national sales tax. Generally (at least in states I've lived in) it's applied to all non-essential (meaning not on grocery or medicine) purchases. Although he hasn't released specifics on how it would work or what would be exempt that I've seen.

 

On advantage though, everyone will be paying taxes. Rich, poor, legal and illegal. Because there is no escaping it the over all burden may be less than the income tax. It would certainly cost a heck of a lot less to collect. Of course, he can't wave a wand and make this happen. He'd have to get Congress to buy in.

 

Yes, let's shift all the tax burden on the poor people, since they spend 100% of their income, while the super-rich probably don't even spend 10%.

 

 

Actually it's more like 50% but that doesn't adjust for how much of the percentage in each income group is actually essential spending which doesn't get taxed versus non-essential spending which is taxed.

 

My problem is that even if you tax the entirety of US consumer spending (~70% of GDP or 11.5 T$) you need nearly a 40% tax rate to generate 4 Trillion $ to cover the federal budget.

[kgambit]

 

@GD: Johnson favors a tax system based on Consumer Spending right?

 

Yes, a consumption tax like a national sales tax. Generally (at least in states I've lived in) it's applied to all non-essential (meaning not on grocery or medicine) purchases. Although he hasn't released specifics on how it would work or what would be exempt that I've seen.

 

On advantage though, everyone will be paying taxes. Rich, poor, legal and illegal. Because there is no escaping it the over all burden may be less than the income tax. It would certainly cost a heck of a lot less to collect. Of course, he can't wave a wand and make this happen. He'd have to get Congress to buy in.

 

 

It would really be nice if he had some more details on exactly how his NST proposal differs from any of the others or what gets included.    Frankly the IRS budget is a drop in the bucket of the US Federal budget. 

 

PS:  He still might get my vote because I would rather have root canal than vote for Hillary .... or Trump.  

Edited August 18, 2016 by kgambit

[Meshugger]

lolwat: http://www.breitbart.com/national-security/2016/08/17/world-now-officially-upside-adl-condemns-trumps-plan-ban-antisemites-antisemitic/

 

A group fighting anti-semitism is fighting Trump who wants to stop anti-semitists from entering the country. What a time to be alive (i do not think that Trump is even serious here, he's having fun trolling).

 

Also, a more serious one (i hope)

 

Edited August 18, 2016 by Meshugger

[Guard Dog]

 

Less than a month to go, keep pushing: http://www.redstate.com/brandon_morse/2016/08/18/gary-johnson-may-soon-become-hard-parties-ignore/

Clearly overstating his (potential) impact on the race.

 

Probably. But as we were discussing before, there are other prizes to be had in the race than the White House. A trip to the debates, a strong showing on election day (say 5-7%) and a concerted effort to run congressional candidates in 2018 sets things up nicely for 2020. Assuming a suitable candidate can be found. I don't think Johnson will run again and I don't think they will have Weld without him. 

[Leferd]

I was referring more to the article itself. I agree that having viable third (or more) parties is a good thing.

 

But I think it's more feasible to enact internal change within the two major parties itself -- like the Sanders and Tea Party insurrections. Though such prospects give centrists frowny faces.

[Guard Dog]

I was referring more to the article itself. I agree that having viable third (or more) parties is a good thing.

 

But I think it's more feasible to enact internal change within the two major parties itself -- like the Sanders and Tea Party insurrections. Though such prospects give centrists frowny faces.

Inter-party factions tend to run out of gas. I think what killed the Tea Party (assuming it has even been killed) was they got nearly every candidate they wanted and they went to DC and became just another Republican. It would be like Bernie Sanders riding a populist wave into office then signing TPP, invading Syria, and rolling back environmental regulations. That would just break the faction that put him there.

[Malcador]

Alberta is Canada's Texas. Complete with cowboys and guns

[Pidesco]

 

 

Less than a month to go, keep pushing: http://www.redstate.com/brandon_morse/2016/08/18/gary-johnson-may-soon-become-hard-parties-ignore/

 

 

 

Clearly overstating his (potential) impact on the race.

Probably. But as we were discussing before, there are other prizes to be had in the race than the White House. A trip to the debates, a strong showing on election day (say 5-7%) and a concerted effort to run congressional candidates in 2018 sets things up nicely for 2020. Assuming a suitable candidate can be found. I don't think Johnson will run again and I don't think they will have Weld without him.

As long as the electoral system isn't reformed there is no way a third party becomes a viable option in the US, unfortunately.

[Leferd]

On the growing popularity and influence of Breitbart and synergies with the Trump campaign.

 

http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/trump-made-breitbart-great-again/

 

Breitbart's page views have doubled - coinciding with Trump's political rise.

 

The SPLC States that Breitbart is on its way to becoming "the media arm of the Alt-Right," the white nationalist movement...

 

https://www.splcenter.org/hatewatch/2016/04/28/breitbartcom-becoming-media-arm-alt-right

 

Again...Breitbart Executive Chairman Stephen Bannon is now the Trump campaign CEO.