The UK will leave the EU

[pmp10]

Pretty sure that Germany has way more than 4 million people between 17 and 35.

[Elerond]

 

 

of course one could make the 'bigoted' assessment that Europe is 'rich and stable' BECAUSE they aren't controlled by extremist Islamists like elsewhere so accept all these refugees en masse who, quite clearly, still love their book - could, in the long run, destroy that stability.

One can make the assessment that Europe is rich and stable because they aren't controlled by extremists, be it of the Islamist, nationalist, Christian, communist or any other variety.

 

Also, yes, numbers can be your friend. The EU has more than 500 million people, in 2015 there were 1 - 1.5 million migrants. Not all of them were Muslim, only a small minority of Muslims are "extremist Islamists". You can work out the percentages and stuff for yourself.

 

 

1-1.5 million to Germany alone, where over 70% of them were men in the age of 17-35. In a country where the amount of people in the same demographic age is about 4 million. 

 

I see a great conflict brewing.

 

 

Germany has bit less than million and about 60% of those are in age group 17-35 including both men and women.

 

At least that is what Germany officially says

 

Last year over 90% of final verdicts in asylum applications in Germany were rejections. Which necessary don't tell anything about future.

Edited August 1, 2016 by Elerond

[Hiro Protagonist]

Meanwhile in Australia, two years without a boat arrival.
http://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/2016/07/27/pm-marks-two-years-without-boat-arrival
 
 

Australia had returned 734 people from 28 ventures [boats] to the country from which they had departed as part of Operation Sovereign Borders.
 
“The message we have, and we’ve backed it up with deeds, is that if you want to come to Australia with a people smuggler, don’t. You won’t succeed. You will not get here. Anyone who seeks to come here by boat will be turned back,”

 

And this has saved lives. Under the previous shocking government...
 
 

..following a period of Labor government during which 50,000 unauthorised people had arrived on our shores, and 1200 people had died at sea.

We knew that people had arrived in great numbers, 50,000 people on 800 boats, people are drowned at sea, there were 17 detention centres that Labor had to set up to cope with the stress of processing a thousand people a week as they were arriving on Christmas Island.

 

That's 50,000 people on 800 boats in a period of 6 years between 2007-2013.

Edited August 3, 2016 by Hiro Protagonist

[Gorth]

Let me guess... you are a subscriber?

[Meshugger]

Pretty sure that Germany has way more than 4 million people between 17 and 35.

 

Yep, i had to check OECD again. It's 6 million ethnic german men in that very important demographic, and 1.6 millions immigrants (2nd and 3rd generation turks mostly, those foreign statistics were before the immigrant crisis). It just means that that it takes 2 years longer to cross the demographic rubicon of Germany if the wave is the same as before.

 

 

 

 

of course one could make the 'bigoted' assessment that Europe is 'rich and stable' BECAUSE they aren't controlled by extremist Islamists like elsewhere so accept all these refugees en masse who, quite clearly, still love their book - could, in the long run, destroy that stability.

One can make the assessment that Europe is rich and stable because they aren't controlled by extremists, be it of the Islamist, nationalist, Christian, communist or any other variety.

 

Also, yes, numbers can be your friend. The EU has more than 500 million people, in 2015 there were 1 - 1.5 million migrants. Not all of them were Muslim, only a small minority of Muslims are "extremist Islamists". You can work out the percentages and stuff for yourself.

 

 

1-1.5 million to Germany alone, where over 70% of them were men in the age of 17-35. In a country where the amount of people in the same demographic age is about 4 million. 

 

I see a great conflict brewing.

 

 

Germany has bit less than million and about 60% of those are in age group 17-35 including both men and women.

 

At least that is what Germany officially says

 

Last year over 90% of final verdicts in asylum applications in Germany were rejections. Which necessary don't tell anything about future.

 

 

I seriously doubt that the german authorities have to capabilities to enact them. They don't even have the full picture of how there are to begin with. 

 

Your demographics is for 2016 if you look at the raw data from UNCHR, the older ones back in september for the really big wave was 70% men.

Edited August 1, 2016 by Meshugger

[Elerond]

 

Pretty sure that Germany has way more than 4 million people between 17 and 35.

 

Yep, i had to check OECD again. It's 6 million ethnic german men in that very important demographic, and 1.6 millions immigrants (2nd and 3rd generation turks mostly, those foreign statistics were before the immigrant crisis). It just means that that it takes 2 years longer to cross the demographic rubicon of Germany if the wave is the same as before.

 

 

 

 

of course one could make the 'bigoted' assessment that Europe is 'rich and stable' BECAUSE they aren't controlled by extremist Islamists like elsewhere so accept all these refugees en masse who, quite clearly, still love their book - could, in the long run, destroy that stability.

One can make the assessment that Europe is rich and stable because they aren't controlled by extremists, be it of the Islamist, nationalist, Christian, communist or any other variety.

 

Also, yes, numbers can be your friend. The EU has more than 500 million people, in 2015 there were 1 - 1.5 million migrants. Not all of them were Muslim, only a small minority of Muslims are "extremist Islamists". You can work out the percentages and stuff for yourself.

 

 

1-1.5 million to Germany alone, where over 70% of them were men in the age of 17-35. In a country where the amount of people in the same demographic age is about 4 million. 

 

I see a great conflict brewing.

 

 

Germany has bit less than million and about 60% of those are in age group 17-35 including both men and women.

 

At least that is what Germany officially says

 

Last year over 90% of final verdicts in asylum applications in Germany were rejections. Which necessary don't tell anything about future.

 

 

I seriously doubt that the german authorities have to capabilities to enact them. They don't even have the full picture of how there are to begin with. 

 

Your demographics is for 2016 if you look at the raw data from UNCHR, the older ones back in september for the really big wave was 70% men.

 

 

My stats are from from Eurostats for 2015

 

Distribution by age of (non-EU) first time asylum applicants in the EU and EFTA Member States, 2015

[Meshugger]

UNCHR vs EUROSTAT, which is better and why? Discuss!

[Pidesco]

What you get when you vote with the racists:

 

Brexit: Surge in anti-immigrant hate crime in areas that voted to leave EU

[Volourn]

Yeah, you know what you don't get? Them 'racists' committing mass murder or cutting the ehad off unarmed civilians.

 

I like these nasty hate crimes largely  consist of saying mean words. You know, because   it doesn't count as a 'hate crime' to wish 'all old people would be  slaughtered' or all sort of other nasty names. Trust me, both sides of that debate said absolutely scummy things.

 

 

"possession of a bladed weapon."

 

How IN THE HELL is this considered a hate crime? COME ON.
 

Edited August 1, 2016 by Volourn

[Hiro Protagonist]

Let me guess... you are a subscriber?

 

I'm a subscriber to saving lives. You're not?

 

Under the previous government which encouraged people to take a perilous journey on unsafe boats, 1200 people drowned at sea. You're a subscriber to this?

Edited August 1, 2016 by Hiro Protagonist

[Gorth]

 

Let me guess... you are a subscriber?

 

I'm a subscriber to saving lives. You're not?

 

Under the previous government which encouraged people to take a perilous journey on unsafe boats, 1200 people drowned at sea. You're a subscriber to this?

 

Mate, I mean a subscriber to the website. It comes up with a page that says subscribers only, so nobody else can see what you are linking to.

[Hiro Protagonist]

Weird, it comes up for me and I'm not a subscriber to any news site. Here's the same story from SBS's site.

http://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/2016/07/27/pm-marks-two-years-without-boat-arrival

[Hassat Hunter]

“The best argument against democracy is a five minute conversation with the average voter.”

The best argument against the EU is 5 minutes of Europarlementarian politics being at play. The end-result usually being "let the future generation solve this (or Turkey. Hey how is that working out now? Total mess? Okay then!)

What you get when you vote with the racists:

 

Brexit: Surge in anti-immigrant hate crime in areas that voted to leave EU

The "funny" thing being it seems it's all youngsters. Weren't those the pro-EU pride of the furute, and the evil evil EVIL old people who were racist and harming the promising future of their children in Turkey 2.0? Seems the youngsters are the racists though. OH WHAT A SHOCK.

[213374U]

 

“The best argument against democracy is a five minute conversation with the average voter.”

The best argument against the EU is 5 minutes of Europarlementarian politics being at play. The end-result usually being "let the future generation solve this (or Turkey. Hey how is that working out now? Total mess? Okay then!)

That's a Churchill quote.

 

In broad terms, direct democracy is a very bad idea because masses generally can't be expected to act rationally and make the right call. Representative democracy carries the in-built flaw of corruption and crooks (read: "career" politicians) will inevitably subvert it and eventually make it crash and burn... with the acquiescence of the masses.

 

Pick your poison.

[Chippy]

What you get when you vote with the racists:

 

Brexit: Surge in anti-immigrant hate crime in areas that voted to leave EU

 

I'm confused by this statement - are you saying that people who voted to leave the EU are either racist, or are voting for other reasons (such as protecting their economy) and are now reaping what they have sown with tension rising between communities?  Thereby being responsible for the actions of racists because of their vote?.

 

How's it going for you in Sweden?  I hear there are now roughly 50 or so 'no-go' areas there where the police are afraid to patrol, need to escort ambulances, and wear bullit  proof vests while doing so.  Assuming you are white (and clearly not a racist) I expect you would have no trouble walking through these areas with female family/friends?  I'm sure they'd have no trouble in summer western clothing, mixing with the locals, proving they arn't racist.

 

The obligatory disclaimer:  I'm a former teacher who dedicated his life (successfully) for 5 years to inclusion and diversity, working with adults from all walks of life, and from every corner of the globe.

[BruceVC]

 

What you get when you vote with the racists:

 

Brexit: Surge in anti-immigrant hate crime in areas that voted to leave EU

 

I'm confused by this statement - are you saying that people who voted to leave the EU are either racist, or are voting for other reasons (such as protecting their economy) and are now reaping what they have sown with tension rising between communities?  Thereby being responsible for the actions of racists because of their vote?.

 

How's it going for you in Sweden?  I hear there are now roughly 50 or so 'no-go' areas there where the police are afraid to patrol, need to escort ambulances, and wear bullit  proof vests while doing so.  Assuming you are white (and clearly not a racist) I expect you would have no trouble walking through these areas with female family/friends?  I'm sure they'd have no trouble in summer western clothing, mixing with the locals, proving they arn't racist.

 

The obligatory disclaimer:  I'm a former teacher who dedicated his life (successfully) for 5 years to inclusion and diversity, working with adults from all walks of life, and from every corner of the globe.

 

Oh no you playing the Sweden card, remember the rule. When people in the EU or UK  criticize Sweden its because Sweden is blamed for " being  too liberal and not accepting you cant integrate Muslims " 

 

But Sweden actually does try to integrate people in a meaningful and sincere way....the issue with refugees is normally from people in countries like the UK, its  a bit of unnecessary resistance to people who just want a better life in a place like London?

 

Granted the refugees do come places like Afghanistan and Pakistan, have no understanding of Western culture, dont respect Western women, believe in Sharia law, until recently claimed the UK was the enemy, could actually be extremists and end of the day will resent you for perceived attacks on Islam but apart that I dont see the real issue?

 

And yes you are spot on  about why the UK voted for Brexit. The people who voted to leave are racist and are now not sure how to actually leave and refugees are still arriving?

 

You could say the UK is conflicted but lets be honest, British people are at there finest when they are unhappy ...so this BREXIT outcome should be seen as catharsis? 

[Volourn]

Bruce confirmed as bigot.

[BruceVC]

Bruce confirmed as bigot.

Volo !!!

 

Thats offensive....you lucky the Moderators are so reasonable here as most websites that comment would get you suspended for a week or so 

[Volourn]

Let me see.. You labeled  Brits  (at least over half of them) as racist and miserable. How is that not bigotry?

[BruceVC]

Let me see.. You labeled  Brits  (at least over half of them) as racist and miserable. How is that not bigotry?

Volo!!!   that is also rude

 

I was merely answering his question, remember in life its always best to be honest 

 

Its a known fact British people complain all the time....about everything? Its what makes them happy...I'm shocked you didnt know that ?

[Volourn]

If someone asks me if I hate all black people... and, I say yes I do, because I answered honestly... that would still make me a racist right?

 

 

P.S. I don't hate black people before some delusional nutball claims I admitted to such a fallacy.

[BruceVC]

If someone asks me if I hate all black people... and, I say yes I do, because I answered honestly... that would still make me a racist right?

 

 

P.S. I don't hate black people before some delusional nutball claims I admitted to such a fallacy.

volo, we both know how these things work. I am always the best person to decide if you being racist....other people dont understand context but at least you know whatever I say its objective and not emotional based 

[Chippy]

British people generally don't get upset unless you seriously mess with them.  If there's an extremist march on with banners saying "kill all police", "overthrow the government", "implement stoning as punishment for adultery", etc, the average response is: "Crap, there's a traffic jam and delays around westminster".  But in trying to avoid the jams and people start jumping the traffic queues, or driving over 3" potholes through side streets - then the average British driver/citizen is fired up and ready to commit murder.

 

Suppose it's what happens when you live in a country where either everything is relatively ok, or the media doesn't really tell you everything from a fact based point of view.  It's great material for some black comedy  though. 

[BruceVC]

British people generally don't get upset unless you seriously mess with them.  If there's an extremist march on with banners saying "kill all police", "overthrow the government", "implement stoning as punishment for adultery", etc, the average response is: "Crap, there's a traffic jam and delays around westminster".  But in trying to avoid the jams and people start jumping the traffic queues, or driving over 3" potholes through side streets - then the average British driver/citizen is fired up and ready to commit murder.

 

Suppose it's what happens when you live in a country where either everything is relatively ok, or the media doesn't really tell you everything from a fact based point of view.  It's great material for some black comedy  though. OI

I was only teasing you earlier about the UK, half my family live there and they are now committed to BREXIT 

 

So of course I dont think people who voted to leave are bigots, in fact I got very annoyed by the  " assessments "  of people that  anyone who voted to leave was clearly " an older, white racist "  

[Chippy]

I knew that dude, I can pick up on most different types of humor - it's just your English that sucks