Should the UK leave the EU?

[BruceVC]

The link below is a nice summary of this important decision

 

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-32810887

 

 

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/uk-citizens-opinion-leaving-european-union-brexit_us_57202862e4b0f309baef33dd

 

I'm surprised this hasn't been discussed more, particularly by our members who live in the UK and EU. The vote is the 23 June 2016 ...very soon in other words 

 

I think it would a terrible economic decision for the UK to leave the EU and will also impact the EU on certain levels

 

But I am interested in the personal views of people who live in the EU about what they think about the UK and its contribution towards the EU and then what do people living in the UK think?

 

 

[obyknven]

Why some oldman from SA so worried about this? 

[Raithe]

The trouble at the moment is that both sides of the argument have suddenly descended into scare tactics rather than providing actual, relevant arguments on it all.

 

I can see a variety of pros and cons to both sides of the discussion, but emotionally I am sliding towards the Brexit side of things.  Over the last decade (at least to a fair few Brits), the EU seems to have been getting into a much more impenetrable morass of bureaucracy we have no say in, that isn't transparent, that sucks away money on an ever increasing red-tape and in-crony establishment, and crowds new legislation on us for no particular reason.

[Chilloutman]

EU needs drastic overhaul which needs impulse to do so - Brexit might be it

[Gorth]

EU needs drastic overhaul which needs impulse to do so - Brexit might be it

 

FIFA got nothing on the EU when it comes to being rotten to the core. It is in serious need of a complete restructuring and in particular trimming of the number of parliamentarians, institutions, committees, areas of jurisdiction, you name it.

 

-- Proud Maastricht treaty "No!" voter....

[BruceVC]

 http://news.sky.com/story/1699062/celebrities-come-out-in-force-for-remain-vote

 

This seems to have backfired for "stay in the EU" camp

 

Many  people in the UK don't like being lectured to by celebrities about how they should vote, they think most celebrities are out of touch with the economic reality of your average citizen and this whole idea by celebrities is just seen as condescending 

[Volourn]

Yet the eat up everything the  nazi queen says. L0L

[PK htiw klaw eriF]

Yes they should leave.

[Raithe]

 

I realise some might have missed the highly factual arguments and purely objective (and not at all self-serving) evidence being put forward by the In and Out camps on the EU referendum so I thought I would summarise them for you:

 

If we leave:
1) We will all die in a zombie apocalypse which will sweep the nation as we lose the ability to afford even basic sanitation;
2) Your house will collapse into a pile of dust as there will be no EU regulations requiring them to stay up, l...eaving you no shelter to hide from the flesh-eating hordes; and
3) Those able to hide in remote rural areas will starve to death due to no country in the world trading with us ever again leaving us without food, water and quality German cars.

 

If we stay,
1) We will all either be murdered in our sleep by insidious criminal immigrants or drown to death as our beautiful Island sinks to the bottom of the Ocean under the weight of all the immigrants, which we obviously cannot hold, (much like they did with the Titanic);
2) The NHS will self-imploded (sometime around midday on 24th June), which will have nothing to do with our ageing population but will be entirely down to the same immigrants taking all the chairs in the waiting rooms; and
3) Hitler will be reanimated by the necromantic sorcery of the EU Commission and lead a Nazi Zombie apocalypse, which will be very similar to the one that will happen if we leave, except it will feel slightly more unsporting since we thought we'd won and had not in fact realised this was his gleeful plan all along.

Confusing I know, but you have to weigh this all up before you decide.

[BruceVC]

 

I realise some might have missed the highly factual arguments and purely objective (and not at all self-serving) evidence being put forward by the In and Out camps on the EU referendum so I thought I would summarise them for you:

 

If we leave:

1) We will all die in a zombie apocalypse which will sweep the nation as we lose the ability to afford even basic sanitation;

2) Your house will collapse into a pile of dust as there will be no EU regulations requiring them to stay up, l...eaving you no shelter to hide from the flesh-eating hordes; and

3) Those able to hide in remote rural areas will starve to death due to no country in the world trading with us ever again leaving us without food, water and quality German cars.

 

If we stay,

1) We will all either be murdered in our sleep by insidious criminal immigrants or drown to death as our beautiful Island sinks to the bottom of the Ocean under the weight of all the immigrants, which we obviously cannot hold, (much like they did with the Titanic);

2) The NHS will self-imploded (sometime around midday on 24th June), which will have nothing to do with our ageing population but will be entirely down to the same immigrants taking all the chairs in the waiting rooms; and

3) Hitler will be reanimated by the necromantic sorcery of the EU Commission and lead a Nazi Zombie apocalypse, which will be very similar to the one that will happen if we leave, except it will feel slightly more unsporting since we thought we'd won and had not in fact realised this was his gleeful plan all along.

Confusing I know, but you have to weigh this all up before you decide.

 

Yeah, there is loads of fear mongering

 

I heard something really funny on Sky, they were interviewing people in EU: Out camp and one interview was with a businessman who owned a factory that basically sold smoked salmon

 

The owner explained why he supports EU: Out, he said last year EU regulations forced him to repackage all his fish at a great personal cost...and the reason he had to repackage his product ... " EU regulations insisted that he have a warning label on his salmon that says ...this product contains fish "       

[Raithe]

Part of it is, the EU isn't some shiny well developed thing.

 

It's a convoluted product of half a century or more of assorted treaties and the various non-elected bureaucracies that were developed to handle them. Things have been mashed together, glued together, partially torn apart and mixed with other elements, turned around and knitted together, before being wrapped in baling wire.

[Wrath of Dagon]

Geert Wilders thinks so: http://www.breitbart.com/london/2016/05/23/wilders-britain-liberate-europe-revolutionary-brexit-vote/

 

"Mr. Wilders said: “Like in the 1940s, once again Britain could help liberate Europe from another totalitarian monster, this time called ‘Brussels’. Again, we could be saved by the British… If people see that a country can leave, and the lights do not go out, there is not a war, and a country does not go bankrupt, but even flourishes. If Britain proves that this theory can become a reality, it would have an enormous effect.”

[BruceVC]

Geert Wilders thinks so: http://www.breitbart.com/london/2016/05/23/wilders-britain-liberate-europe-revolutionary-brexit-vote/

 

"Mr. Wilders said: “Like in the 1940s, once again Britain could help liberate Europe from another totalitarian monster, this time called ‘Brussels’. Again, we could be saved by the British… If people see that a country can leave, and the lights do not go out, there is not a war, and a country does not go bankrupt, but even flourishes. If Britain proves that this theory can become a reality, it would have an enormous effect.”

Of course Wilders would say that, he is opposed to many of the core values of the EU....so anything that would ostensibly weaken the EU he thinks is a great idea

[Volourn]

The core values of the EU -is nazism. I oppose those values as should anyone who believes in freedom.

[BruceVC]

The core values of the EU -is nazism. I oppose those values as should anyone who believes in freedom.

So do you  mind naming a few points how the EU is like the Nazis?

 

I'm trying to understand this view

[Oerwinde]

 

 

The core values of the EU -is nazism. I oppose those values as should anyone who believes in freedom.

So do you mind naming a few points how the EU is like the Nazis?

 

I'm trying to understand this view

I don't get why you still take Volo seriously.

[Meshugger]

They should leave.

 

The EU has turned from a free cooperation of states into a behemoth of beaurocracy larping as the new aristocracy with a common rules for everything, which in turn will eradicate the very differences that we celibrate.

[BruceVC]

 

 

The core values of the EU -is nazism. I oppose those values as should anyone who believes in freedom.

So do you mind naming a few points how the EU is like the Nazis?

 

I'm trying to understand this view

I don't get why you still take Volo seriously.

 

I actually  think  volo will give a reason he feels is valid ...I think he is being serious?

Edited May 24, 2016 by BruceVC

[BruceVC]

They should leave.

 

The EU has turned from a free cooperation of states into a behemoth of beaurocracy larping as the new aristocracy with a common rules for everything, which in turn will eradicate the very differences that we celibrate.

 

What cant you do nowadays that you use to do before the joining the EU?

[Meshugger]

 

They should leave.

 

The EU has turned from a free cooperation of states into a behemoth of beaurocracy larping as the new aristocracy with a common rules for everything, which in turn will eradicate the very differences that we celibrate.

 

What cant you do nowadays that you use to do before the joining the EU?

 

 

In the case of the UK, it is the dependency of the European Commission acting as the executive and the European Council & Parliament as legislative. They cannot work independently without them as long they are in the EU. In the case of countries within the Euro-area, they in turn cannot even control their state finances or currency.

 

Why bother when you can have representation on a national level instead? Even the most hardened cynic have to admit that they have to at least try to work in the interest of their constituents, as they represent them.

[Oerwinde]

 

 

 

The core values of the EU -is nazism. I oppose those values as should anyone who believes in freedom.

So do you mind naming a few points how the EU is like the Nazis?

 

I'm trying to understand this view

I don't get why you still take Volo seriously.

 

I actually  think  volo will give a reason he feels is valid ...I think he is being serious?

 

Volo is the Snarf of the Obsidian Forums. Mostly annoying, but you can't picture the place without him.

[BruceVC]

 

 

 

 

The core values of the EU -is nazism. I oppose those values as should anyone who believes in freedom.

So do you mind naming a few points how the EU is like the Nazis?

 

I'm trying to understand this view

I don't get why you still take Volo seriously.

 

I actually  think  volo will give a reason he feels is valid ...I think he is being serious?

 

Volo is the Snarf of the Obsidian Forums. Mostly annoying, but you can't picture the place without him.

 

You guys

 

I dont really understand your relationship with volo...I have asked and he said he is not a troll and we often have debates so for me he is sincere?

[Guard Dog]

Volo has been around since the Bioware & Black Isle boards. He's the same guy now he's always been. Nothing wrong with that at all.

[Oerwinde]

 

 

 

 

 

The core values of the EU -is nazism. I oppose those values as should anyone who believes in freedom.

So do you mind naming a few points how the EU is like the Nazis?

 

I'm trying to understand this view

I don't get why you still take Volo seriously.

 

I actually  think  volo will give a reason he feels is valid ...I think he is being serious?

 

Volo is the Snarf of the Obsidian Forums. Mostly annoying, but you can't picture the place without him.

 

You guys

 

I dont really understand your relationship with volo...I have asked and he said he is not a troll and we often have debates so for me he is sincere?

 

[BruceVC]

Volo has been around since the Bioware & Black Isle boards. He's the same guy now he's always been. Nothing wrong with that at all.

 

Well it depends on how you see volo, what if people who didn't know him  thought he was rude and offensive the first time they debated with him? Is that something people want other people to think about them?