Baldur's Gate: Siege of Dragonspear RELEASED

[Gromnir]

 

 

 

 

There's hardly a game these days without LGBT content, or a healthy mix of Caucasian, Afraican and Asian characters. Wasn't there some male man & dwarf lovemaking in Dragon Age? Is it necessary to add this stuff to every game?

 

 

I have a hard time imagining circumstances where it would be necessary to exclude it.

 

I agree with this sentiment, there is no reason to not make games more inclusive where applicable 

 

 

 And yes, you're absolutely right, I'd probably see the goblin joke as trivial - funny even - if the whole project didn't have that preachy feel to it.

 

Anyway, probably best to stop before this devolves into two pages with Hiro-Gromnir you-said I-said monstrosity.

 

J.

 

but the preachy feel is, 'ccording to your earlier post, based on your reading o' developer interviewers and your belief o' endemic sjw indoctrinations/educations.  the goblin stuff IS trivial.  you yourself see as trivial when viewed only w/i context o' the game itself. is what junai brings to the game that makes more than trivial.

 

junai and Gromnir is actual discussing, so is nothing like hp.  however, you is likely correct that we has hit a point beyond which devolution is inevitable.  end up repeating ourselves in different ways, which is largely pointless.

 

HA! Good Fun!

[aluminiumtrioxid]

 

 

 

 

There's hardly a game these days without LGBT content, or a healthy mix of Caucasian, Afraican and Asian characters. Wasn't there some male man & dwarf lovemaking in Dragon Age? Is it necessary to add this stuff to every game?

 

 

I have a hard time imagining circumstances where it would be necessary to exclude it.

 

I agree with this sentiment, there is no reason to not make games more inclusive where applicable 

 

 

If you two geniouses think adding animations of men passionately making love to hairy male fantasy-dwarves belong in any entertainment product, you have serious mental issues, and should be shipped off to the nearest psych ward immediately. 

 

 

...Why exactly? It's not like fantasy dwarves aren't basically short, hairy, bearded men. Why is gay pr0n featuring dwarves especially vile (compared to regular gay pr0n)?

[Volourn]

You do realize not all dwarves are men and I'd wager most aren't gay (oh noes, just like humans). And, majority of female dwarves (at least the D&D variety) don't have beards.

[aluminiumtrioxid]

You do realize not all dwarves are men and I'd wager most aren't gay (oh noes, just like humans). And, majority of female dwarves (at least the D&D variety) don't have beards.

 

Which is relevant to a conversation about the appropriateness of dwarves participating in gay sex... how?

[Volourn]

I don't like lies being spread about the dwarven race. Those are my people so check your human privledge and know your facts.

[PK htiw klaw eriF]

I don't like lies being spread about the dwarven race. Those are my people so check your human privledge and know your facts.

Humans are the least privileged race in 2e, or at least the IE version of it. They've got Paladins, Monks, and Dual-Classing and that's it. No multi classes, no attribute modifiers, no shorty saves, and no thief skill bonuses. Check your privledge Dwarfist scum.

[hamskii]

If you two geniouses think adding animations of men passionately making love to hairy male fantasy-dwarves belong in any entertainment product, you have serious mental issues, and should be shipped off to the nearest psych ward immediately.

Uh...what? Does your distaste for seeing depictions of romance only apply to gay romances, or does it apply to all romances? Cause I don't remember this level of outrage over the gross sex cards in everyone's favourite game, The Witcher 3 The Witcher. I mean, the game literally reduces women to collectible cards where the women pose in absurd sexually provocative poses. Is there some reason I'm missing why those are normal and fine, but a little gay sex scene is so unbearably obscene that anyone who thinks it's a good idea must have "mental issues"?  If so, I hope you have a better reason than "the continued existence of gay people makes me feel uncomfortable"...but then again, that's all I've seen from you so far.

Edited May 6, 2016 by hamskii

[PK htiw klaw eriF]

The sex cards were in the first twitcher. I understand outrage can be fun but get your facts straight.

[Volourn]

"Cause I don't remember this level of outrage over the gross sex cards in everyone's favourite game, The Witcher 3"

 

Kiddin' right? There was HUGE outrage over the Twitcher's sex cards. HUGE.

 

 

And, gross? It was SEXY as hell. How is that gross? I bet you have no problme with   naked men /gay/lesbian cards. Youa re as bad as he is.

 

 

NKAEDNESS FOR ALL. SEXINESS FOR ALL.  Nakeded and sexiness is NOT gross. Only SJW nazis think so .

Edited May 5, 2016 by Volourn

[aluminiumtrioxid]

Is there some reason I'm missing why those are normal and fine, but a little gay sex scene is so unbearably obscene that anyone who thinks it's a good idea must have "mental issues"? 

 

Well, that pornstache is an affront against good taste 

Edited May 5, 2016 by aluminiumtrioxid

[BruceVC]

 

If you two geniouses think adding animations of men passionately making love to hairy male fantasy-dwarves belong in any entertainment product, you have serious mental issues, and should be shipped off to the nearest psych ward immediately.

Uh...what? Does your distaste for seeing depictions of romance only apply to gay romances, or does it apply to all romances? Cause I don't remember this level of outrage over the gross sex cards in everyone's favourite game, The Witcher 3. I mean, the game literally reduces women to collectible cards where the women pose in absurd sexually provocative poses. Is there some reason I'm missing why those are normal and fine, but a little gay sex scene is so unbearably obscene that anyone who thinks it's a good idea must have "mental issues"?  If so, I hope you have a better reason than "the continued existence of gay people makes me feel uncomfortable"...but then again, that's all I've seen from you so far.

 

 

 

The sex cards were in the first twitcher. I understand outrage can be fun but get your facts straight.

Yes you know what he meant KP...lets not get pedantic

 

The card collection process in  W1  was strange...incongruous. And as I mentioned previously its important that games offer gay and straight options for things like Romance...inclusivity is the future for many games 

Edited May 6, 2016 by BruceVC

[Chilloutman]

 

 

If you two geniouses think adding animations of men passionately making love to hairy male fantasy-dwarves belong in any entertainment product, you have serious mental issues, and should be shipped off to the nearest psych ward immediately.

Uh...what? Does your distaste for seeing depictions of romance only apply to gay romances, or does it apply to all romances? Cause I don't remember this level of outrage over the gross sex cards in everyone's favourite game, The Witcher 3. I mean, the game literally reduces women to collectible cards where the women pose in absurd sexually provocative poses. Is there some reason I'm missing why those are normal and fine, but a little gay sex scene is so unbearably obscene that anyone who thinks it's a good idea must have "mental issues"?  If so, I hope you have a better reason than "the continued existence of gay people makes me feel uncomfortable"...but then again, that's all I've seen from you so far.

 

 

 

The sex cards were in the first twitcher. I understand outrage can be fun but get your facts straight.

Yes you know what he meant KP...lets not get pedantic

 

The card collection process in  W1  was strange...incongruous. And as I mentioned previously its important that games offer gay and straight options for things like Romance...inclusivity is the future for many games 

 

 

Than its good that I lived in era where fun was main pillar of games. I should stop play anyway, getting old for it I think (but I played dwarf fortress yesterday till 3am at morning )

[BruceVC]

 

 

 

If you two geniouses think adding animations of men passionately making love to hairy male fantasy-dwarves belong in any entertainment product, you have serious mental issues, and should be shipped off to the nearest psych ward immediately.

Uh...what? Does your distaste for seeing depictions of romance only apply to gay romances, or does it apply to all romances? Cause I don't remember this level of outrage over the gross sex cards in everyone's favourite game, The Witcher 3. I mean, the game literally reduces women to collectible cards where the women pose in absurd sexually provocative poses. Is there some reason I'm missing why those are normal and fine, but a little gay sex scene is so unbearably obscene that anyone who thinks it's a good idea must have "mental issues"?  If so, I hope you have a better reason than "the continued existence of gay people makes me feel uncomfortable"...but then again, that's all I've seen from you so far.

 

 

 

The sex cards were in the first twitcher. I understand outrage can be fun but get your facts straight.

Yes you know what he meant KP...lets not get pedantic

 

The card collection process in  W1  was strange...incongruous. And as I mentioned previously its important that games offer gay and straight options for things like Romance...inclusivity is the future for many games 

 

 

Than its good that I lived in era where fun was main pillar of games. I should stop play anyway, getting old for it I think (but I played dwarf fortress yesterday till 3am at morning )

 

Of  course fun and entertainment must be  the reason a game is developed in the first place but there is  no reason we cant discuss factors like Romance as being part of the overall design of the game ...but it cant be the most important thing, Romance I feel is only part of party interaction. And what is party interaction in the overall game maybe  8 %? ...things like the narrative, exploration, questing, monster design, spells and character leveling and abilities are all more important to me than Romance 

Edited May 6, 2016 by BruceVC

[Mamoulian War]

Unfortunatelly for some people, the fun is unimportant part of the game/book/movie. If it does not cater 100% to their own personal preference, they will try to spoil it for all other who might enjoy it. And this goes for both sides of the argument. Black and white vision is the stupidest human trait ever...

[Hurlshort]

 

 

 

Than its good that I lived in era where fun was main pillar of games. I should stop play anyway, getting old for it I think (but I played dwarf fortress yesterday till 3am at morning )

 

 

So...we do realize that game developers aren't exactly buying into the whole political correctness movement, right?  The Witcher 3 didn't exactly sacrifice all the boob action from the first game, and it sold extremely well.  You still get to kill all sorts of different types of people in shooters, etc.  

[Chilloutman]

 

 

 

 

Than its good that I lived in era where fun was main pillar of games. I should stop play anyway, getting old for it I think (but I played dwarf fortress yesterday till 3am at morning )

 

 

So...we do realize that game developers aren't exactly buying into the whole political correctness movement, right?  The Witcher 3 didn't exactly sacrifice all the boob action from the first game, and it sold extremely well.  You still get to kill all sorts of different types of people in shooters, etc.  

 

 

Well, something like this can only be pushed in dialog heavy games pretty much, so we will not see this in shooters (probably).

 

about Witcher - 2 points

 

1) first one was trashed for sexual content so next 2 toned it down heavily (not like in books)

2) devs are from east Europe, we here don't bait into that SJW concept here much, its just catering to US marked where it exploded lately

[BruceVC]

 

 

 

 

 

Than its good that I lived in era where fun was main pillar of games. I should stop play anyway, getting old for it I think (but I played dwarf fortress yesterday till 3am at morning )

 

 

So...we do realize that game developers aren't exactly buying into the whole political correctness movement, right?  The Witcher 3 didn't exactly sacrifice all the boob action from the first game, and it sold extremely well.  You still get to kill all sorts of different types of people in shooters, etc.  

 

 

2) devs are from east Europe, we here don't bait into that SJW concept here much, its just catering to US marked where it exploded lately

 

You funny  

 

I still think you view  this whole " SJW influence "  in an unnecessarily negative way 

[Hurlshort]

 

Well, something like this can only be pushed in dialog heavy games pretty much, so we will not see this in shooters (probably).

 

about Witcher - 2 points

 

1) first one was trashed for sexual content so next 2 toned it down heavily (not like in books)

2) devs are from east Europe, we here don't bait into that SJW concept here much, its just catering to US marked where it exploded lately

 

 

Yeah, but what are your examples of games that push an 'sjw agenda'?  This Baldur's Gate game is a niche product, built on the bones of an archaic engine.  It barely registers on the landscape of gaming.  

 

You might be able to argue that Bioware is all about the sjw agenda, but really it is just the Dragon Age franchise, and it has been like that since the beginning, and it is still filled with violence and sex (just not the kind you might want.)

 

I just don't see evidence that game developers are caving into some sort of SJW agenda.  Sure, there are annoying people vocalizing weird complaints on the twitterverse, but that is easy enough to ignore if you just play games and stay away from the silly media.

Edited May 6, 2016 by Hurlshot

[Junai]

but the preachy feel is, 'ccording to your earlier post, based on your reading o' developer interviewers and your belief o' endemic sjw indoctrinations/educations.  the goblin stuff IS trivial.  you yourself see as trivial when viewed only w/i context o' the game itself. is what junai brings to the game that makes more than trivial.

 

 

Come on. I agree with many of the reviews given by the GG guys, but endemic, leukemia and conspiracy? And you accuse me of dramatizing?

 

Otherwise you're right. It's all in the eye of the beholder. It's like Koveras giving you a +1 defence ring. When you realize it's from him, it's no longer a present, but an insult. As I mentioned a few pages back, I'm more preoccupied with the authors' intent than the actual material. Trying to understand art without knowing who the artist is? I suppose some people might read the Bible as an historical tale and learn certain things from it, but when you understand where the author is coming from, that's when you really understand what's being said. Try not to understand the author, and you end up with people like the Creationists, who think the devil interfered with God's work and placed dinosaur bones in the ground to confuse us.

 

After reading a few interviews, I decided I didn't like the author very much, and consequently her jokes are less funny. To me. It seems hundreds of fans agree. Are we all deluded? A couple of hacks who want to cash in on a 20 year old franchise, who makes the game look worse than it was 20 years ago, who are preachy and lofty, mediocre writers, and deletes criticism. And Grommie wants to support them, cause he feels fans are unfair. 

 

 

J.

[Gorth]

The card collection process in  W1  was strange...incongruous. And as I mentioned previously its important that games offer gay and straight options for things like Romance...inclusivity is the future for many games

Inclusiveness... iirc Bioware also offered a Goat in 'The Peal'

 

Yeah, I remember those collectible cards. I haven't completed a Witcher game since the first one. Wonder why?

[BruceVC]

 

The card collection process in  W1  was strange...incongruous. And as I mentioned previously its important that games offer gay and straight options for things like Romance...inclusivity is the future for many games

Inclusiveness... iirc Bioware also offered a Goat in 'The Peal'

 

Yeah, I remember those collectible cards. I haven't completed a Witcher game since the first one. Wonder why?

 

I must still get into Gwent in W3

Edited May 6, 2016 by BruceVC

[Volourn]

"I just don't see evidence that game developers are caving into some sort of SJW agenda."

 

Then you are willingly being blind and deaf since the developers have admitted to doing just that.

[Hurlshort]

I guess I should clarify:

 

What unreasonable demands of the "SJW community" have developers given into?

 

Clearly developers are going to look at appealing to a diverse crowd, that is simply about broadening your appeal and market base.  But the vast majority of games are still about some guy killing stuff.  

 

Top Games of 2016 according to google:

Uncharted 4

The Division

Doom

Dark Souls III

No Mans Sky

Horizon Zero Dawn

Final Fantasy XV

Deus Ex

Mirror's Edge

Hitman

Far Cry: Primal

 

The list goes on and on.  Which one of those games are trying to shove an SJW agenda down the player's throat?  

 

People make such a big deal about this stuff.  I think we have better windmills to tilt at, like DLC and the lack of new IP's (which I think actually looks less of an issue this year.)

Edited May 6, 2016 by Hurlshot

[213374U]

People make such a big deal about this stuff.  I think we have better windmills to tilt at, like DLC and the lack of new IP's (which I think actually looks less of an issue this year.)

 

Sadly that's the case. This thread is a good example, seldom any discussion of the actual game going on. No talk of the new NPCs, encounters, not even the actual writing. Nope, it's all that GG/transphobia tripe. I know I'm going to regret this, but I have to agree with the Gromnir: it's best for writers to simply avoid hot topics.

 

You forgot paid mods, btw, we haven't seen the last of that.

Edited May 6, 2016 by 213374U

[Gromnir]

 

but the preachy feel is, 'ccording to your earlier post, based on your reading o' developer interviewers and your belief o' endemic sjw indoctrinations/educations.  the goblin stuff IS trivial.  you yourself see as trivial when viewed only w/i context o' the game itself. is what junai brings to the game that makes more than trivial.

 

 

Come on. I agree with many of the reviews given by the GG guys, but endemic, leukemia and conspiracy? And you accuse me of dramatizing?

 

Otherwise you're right. It's all in the eye of the beholder. It's like Koveras giving you a +1 defence ring. When you realize it's from him, it's no longer a present, but an insult. As I mentioned a few pages back, I'm more preoccupied with the authors' intent than the actual material. Trying to understand art without knowing who the artist is? I suppose some people might read the Bible as an historical tale and learn certain things from it, but when you understand where the author is coming from, that's when you really understand what's being said. Try not to understand the author, and you end up with people like the Creationists, who think the devil interfered with God's work and placed dinosaur bones in the ground to confuse us.

 

After reading a few interviews, I decided I didn't like the author very much, and consequently her jokes are less funny. To me. It seems hundreds of fans agree. Are we all deluded? A couple of hacks who want to cash in on a 20 year old franchise, who makes the game look worse than it was 20 years ago, who are preachy and lofty, mediocre writers, and deletes criticism. And Grommie wants to support them, cause he feels fans are unfair. 

 

 

J.

 

use Bible to explain your preoccupation with an entertainer's politics in same post you accuse us o' unfair calling you overdramatic?  lordy.

 

so, the part 'bout being finished were more nonsense?  just checking before we indulge.

 

HA! Good Fun!