dunehunter Posted March 22, 2016 Share Posted March 22, 2016 Is attack speed bonus and penality add on each other or multiplied one by one? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndreaColombo Posted March 22, 2016 Share Posted March 22, 2016 search the builds forum for a thread named "Attack speed 2.0"; it has all the answers you seek and more, including calculation examples of how to reach 0 recovery. "Time is not your enemy. Forever is." — Fall-From-Grace, Planescape: Torment "It's the questions we can't answer that teach us the most. They teach us how to think. If you give a man an answer, all he gains is a little fact. But give him a question, and he'll look for his own answers." — Kvothe, The Wise Man's Fears My Deadfire mods: Brilliant Mod | Faster Deadfire | Deadfire Unnerfed | Helwalker Rekke | Permanent Per-Rest Bonuses | PoE Items for Deadfire | No Recyled Icons | Soul Charged Nautilus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dunehunter Posted March 24, 2016 Author Share Posted March 24, 2016 (edited) Hmmmm I found a lot thread on this topic, but one thing is unclear to me, +xx% attack speed things are added on each other or multiplied? Edited March 24, 2016 by dunehunter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndreaColombo Posted March 24, 2016 Share Posted March 24, 2016 Multiplied, except those from talents that are additive. Penalties are additive. "Time is not your enemy. Forever is." — Fall-From-Grace, Planescape: Torment "It's the questions we can't answer that teach us the most. They teach us how to think. If you give a man an answer, all he gains is a little fact. But give him a question, and he'll look for his own answers." — Kvothe, The Wise Man's Fears My Deadfire mods: Brilliant Mod | Faster Deadfire | Deadfire Unnerfed | Helwalker Rekke | Permanent Per-Rest Bonuses | PoE Items for Deadfire | No Recyled Icons | Soul Charged Nautilus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dunehunter Posted March 24, 2016 Author Share Posted March 24, 2016 Hmmmm, why +damage is additive but attack speed is multiplied? That sounds inconsistent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndreaColombo Posted March 24, 2016 Share Posted March 24, 2016 No reason was officially provided; however, attack speed has a limit past which it can't go, whereas damage bonuses can easily exceed 100%. Making damage multiplicative would be nasty. Speed, on the other hand, is good as is: This way you have a chance to cap it, if you so desire. "Time is not your enemy. Forever is." — Fall-From-Grace, Planescape: Torment "It's the questions we can't answer that teach us the most. They teach us how to think. If you give a man an answer, all he gains is a little fact. But give him a question, and he'll look for his own answers." — Kvothe, The Wise Man's Fears My Deadfire mods: Brilliant Mod | Faster Deadfire | Deadfire Unnerfed | Helwalker Rekke | Permanent Per-Rest Bonuses | PoE Items for Deadfire | No Recyled Icons | Soul Charged Nautilus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaxQuest Posted March 24, 2016 Share Posted March 24, 2016 (edited) attack speed has a limit past which it can't goArrgh Andrea this is killing me. And thanks Obsidian for this... I mean we still have to use two "vocabularies". One being in context from tooltips. And another one internal (with attack and recovery phase durations). Pedant mode: /mode on Technically we can say: * Attack speed percentage bonuses have a limit. Or: * Attack speed percentage bonuses when stacked do not provide any extra past 100% gain. (referring to att.spd. bonuses from tooltips) * Recovery_phase_duration cannot be reduced below zero. (Technically recovery_phase_speed is infinite?) * And same for attack_phase_duration. (Technically attack_phase_speed has no limit) / mode off Hmmmm, why +damage is additive but attack speed is multiplied? That sounds inconsistent. Damage coefficients from Might, were intended to stack additively, as seen from this presentation slides. The idea behind this was to leave more room for the stat analysis and fiddling around. And tbh this goal was achieved. The more I played the more I was re-evaluating the ways of how to optimize/adjust it for my build. Also it reflects nicely the relation between rogue and a fighter. While the first will hit for lower values with regular attacks, he will hit like a truck with deathblows and the quota of Might can be negligible. I.e. maxing it outright is not a no-brainer like in many of DnD cases. Damage coefficients from Crits, perhaps were intended to be applied multiplicatively. At least when asked by Andrea, Josh answered just that. Tbh I find this quite hilarious. But... it seems that at some point, devs decided to just make all damage coefficients to stack additively and probably Josh has forgotten about this. But in the end... consistency is actually a good thing. Now, why is attack speed stacking multiplicatively? Don't even get me started on that. It's a mess. Officially undocumented mess. It looks like they had several different ideas of implementation. In the alpha they have picked one approach. And than they ditched it for another. Not to mention all the confusion caused by interchangeable use of 'attack' and 'recovery'. Edited March 24, 2016 by MaxQuest 1 PoE1 useful stuff: attack speed calculator, unofficial patch mod, attack speed mechanics, dot mechanics, modals exclusivity rules PoE2 useful stuff: community patch, attack speed mechanics, enemy AR and defenses Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brimsurfer Posted March 24, 2016 Share Posted March 24, 2016 (edited) Hmmmm, why +damage is additive but attack speed is multiplied? That sounds inconsistent. Don't try to make sense of things in this game, there is just so much out of place.......just play it with your mind's eye closed. Edited March 24, 2016 by Brimsurfer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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