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Toughest fight in the game?


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Adra dragon? Alpine dragon? Concelhaut? Llengrath's little helpers (magnificent screenshot below)?

 

For me it was Llengrath - hands down - and then Alpine dragon and Concelhaut sharing second place.

 

300 damage non-crit hits, highest DR in the game... behold fear itself:

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Actually, the adra dragon remains the hardest fight. Now, I only just got into the second act in my Path of the Damned run, so maybe that will change. On normal and on hard, the adra dragon was the worst. Worse than the final fight. Far worse than Concelhaut. Now, you might call it metagaming, but the second I see a bunch of bad guys standing in a room with some unique looking character, I say to myself, "Self, this looks like a boss fight," and position myself accordingly. For that reason, Concelwhatzits wasn't so bad, although there is a lot of magic flying everywhere. So, he went down on the first shot. The first couple of times with the Alpine dragon, he beat me, but that wasn't too bad. The only fight that really kept getting me was the adra dragon. I think I have some sort of mad dog psychological thing going with her.

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Gotta be Llengrath for me. After quite a few attempts on normal difficulty, I just gave up and finished her in Story Time mode.


Edited by Ausir, 25 February 2016 - 06:53 PM.


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I had no problem with Llengrath, killed her on my first try. Concelhaut is the hardest fight in the game for me, provided you don't cheese the encounter by pulling out a few creatures at a time.



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Radiant Spore for me, but that's because I didn't meet the check to get the Vithrack Brutes to side with me.

Ondrite Monks and the Adra Dragon would be the close seconds. The Adra Dragon's breath seems to hit a lot harder than the Alpine's, plus Adragans are annoying.
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I had no problem with Llengrath, killed her on my first try. Concelhaut is the hardest fight in the game for me, provided you don't cheese the encounter by pulling out a few creatures at a time.

I fought the whole kit'n'kaboodle at the same time, but when I see a bunch of baddies standing around with some named dude, I put everyone somewhere safe.  So, I had my folks outside the door and sent in Eder to talk to the boss and then he flew out like a bat out of hell..  Hadn't read about the fight.  Didn't know for sure what was going to happen, but my practice in games these days is to assume I'm going to get the shiv.  However, some games have folks pop in behind the casters.  I try to account for that, but sometimes it screws me.  You can't account for everything and I think it diminishes a game if you don't have to reload every now and then at least on your first run.


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Probably the Dragon fights for me, Alpine more than Adra. Adra can be 'cheesed' a bit by killing all her dorks before engaging her, making it pretty trivial to control the fight. If you just try to make it a straight up, your team vs. hers, she's really rough. Alpine's a bit rougher to pull the same trick on, so I'd give him the edge. The rest of the tough fights in the game full of annoying enemies can usually be cheesed through a variety of manner, like pulling to choke points or using Charms/Scrolls against whatever their CC of choice is. Without cheese those fights can be hard, as they'll sure use some cheese tactics on you, so unless saves are boosted, it'll spiral out of control quickly.

 

Some of the new Elmshore fights are a doozy, and I'd rec everyone make sure they level scale the place. It's got 3 rough fights now, both against 3-4 casters and 6-8 melee dorks. Pretty much are just harder versions of the Ogre and Delmgan bounty fights.



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I didn't even know you could split the Concelhaut's group. I fought the whole group at the same time, but I did it like why said - I sent my main character in alone while leaving the others in a more favourable position.

 

@Teioh_White were these new fights added with WMp2? I've only come across one new encounter (the one near Magran's shrine in Dyrford crossing, I believe), which resulted in me taking an emo godlike prisoner. I sadly lacked the will to comb through all the maps again and since I was there on a quest, I figured, that the encounter could just as well have been quest triggered anyway.



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I haven't played through Elmshore without the level sync, so I don't know if it's the same number of mobs as it is with scaling on. But it's definitely more mobs in 3 of the pulls there in 3.0 with scaling than there was in 2.0 without it.

 

The Ogre's outside the Ogre bounty cave are the biggest example. Before, those dudes were like a slightly scaled down version of the bounty fight. Now, they're like two of the bounty fight at the same time.



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I haven't played through Elmshore without the level sync, so I don't know if it's the same number of mobs as it is with scaling on. But it's definitely more mobs in 3 of the pulls there in 3.0 with scaling than there was in 2.0 without it.

 

The Ogre's outside the Ogre bounty cave are the biggest example. Before, those dudes were like a slightly scaled down version of the bounty fight. Now, they're like two of the bounty fight at the same time.

 

When I first played PoE, that Ogre bounty fight and the Ogres/Ogre Druids on the 3rd level of the Endless Paths were among the toughest fights I had, UNTIL ... I learned that the key to taking down Ogres easily was mind control/affecting spells that targeted Will, such as Confusion, Charm, or Dominate.  Anything that will get the Ogres fighting each other. 

 

Remember to have your party NOT target the Ogre you're about to charm.  (Don't want to charm him and then void the spell in the next instant because you hit him with a stray arrow.)  And don't target the charmed Ogre after he's charmed, at least until he's the only Ogre left to deal with.

 

Ogres fighting Ogres mean that they're working for you.  Even the ones you don't charm, if they're pounding on charmed ones, they're still working for you, when you think about it.  Ogres fighting ogres is a no lose situation!  :biggrin:


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I'd say Alpine and Llengrath because there are no cheesy choke points. Adra can block her own adds with her fat ass if you lure her to the nook on the left. Same goes for Concelhaut - you can block the adds at the door. 



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Radiant Spore by far. I did kill it on my first try but only because high level priests can resurrect an absurd number of times, the fight was extremely hectic and by the end I had all chars but one at 0 health. One more hit from the boss could've killed me.

 

Adra Dragon, Sky Dragon and Alpine Dragon all went down on the first try. Llengrath took two tries but only because I was bored of nothing providing any challenge whatsoever and just charged in without even resting. I looked for Llengrath after killing the second dragon but she had already died to driving flight and/or carnage without me even noticing it.

 

Concelhaut also went down on the first try. Aloth disabled him like three seconds into the fight and he stayed that way for the entire fight. Devil's first hit ate more than half his HP...

 

Pre-WM Adra Dragon was something else, I'm fairly sure she was practically impossible without cheesing or chain disabling (which is difficult enough in itself).


Edited by kvaak, 07 March 2016 - 05:31 AM.

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I'd say Alpine and Llengrath because there are no cheesy choke points. Adra can block her own adds with her fat ass if you lure her to the nook on the left. Same goes for Concelhaut - you can block the adds at the door. 

 

While there isn't a choke point there in that fight, it is a massive arena with a big rock in the middle, so it's super easy to kite the dragons around it. Which is pretty much what I did; rest of the team dealing with the trash in the bottom right corner, while someone ran in circles with both dragons following. Once adds where dead, just kept running in circles while dragons got pinked to death.

 

Not to take away from their being cheese in the other fights; most everyone fight in this game lets you do cheesy strats to win, and sometimes, it's hard to win otherwise.Normally whenever I try to fight a dragon 'legit', it'll do something lame like spin around to insta Tail-gib someone in front of him, or turn and breath the squishes. And well, if that's how the dragon wants to play....



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For me it has to be the Adra dragon.  I think my first attempt everyone in the party got one shot except for my tank and ranger.



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Alpine Dragon for me. With Adra i had funny glitch - My main was using some item that is giving Invisibility on critical hit and The Grey Sleeper and in first hit i scored critical and stayed invisible the whole fight so that everyone in team except my barb died, but he finished Adra. I think it is the glitch with invisibility as it should vanish on taking hostile action but it didn't. On my PotD run i didn't try to kill Adra (now playing hard), and in previous playthrough i did not manage to kill her as max level was 12 then. 



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I'd say Alpine and Llengrath because there are no cheesy choke points. Adra can block her own adds with her fat ass if you lure her to the nook on the left. Same goes for Concelhaut - you can block the adds at the door. 

 

Actually,as I saw suggested in another post and just now witnessed for myself, the Alpine Dragon doesn't block its adds.  Its adds actually block the dragon from getting to you.  So what you can do is ignore the blocking adds and just spam spells and ranged attacks at the Alpine Dragon (it's vulnerable to fire, so I had Durance spam away with his pillars of fire!).



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Honestly? First time through the game, I had the hardest time with the first floor of the haunted lighthouse in Defiance Bay. >.>

Don't go in there underleveled, kids!

 

Haven't taken a swing at adra or alpine dragon since WM2 came out, but I know I've had problems with them before. I did manage to get Concelhaut down without much cheesing, though.


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Right now, I'm having one heck of a time against the WM2 bounty group led by Brynlod.  They keep kicking my party around, battle after battle.  I think that I'm going to have to head back to Caed Nua and grab GM again.  It seems like the most effective spells against these guys have been mind control ones, getting to fight each other.  I think that Kana's gonna get benched, if only for a little bit.

 

(Note, I ended up not replacing Kana with Maneha, but did replace GM with a custom Mage.  I didn't feel like listening to Aloth.)

 

Update:  After replacing Kana with GM, I was able to beat Brynlod's pirate band and collect the bounty.  It was a very tough fight, but heavy use of Confusion and cipher spells did the trick.  There really nothing quite like getting the bad guys to start turning on each other and doing your work for you.


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For me it has to be Concelhaut, he always gave me a hard time, close second is Alpine Dragon.



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Playing on PotD, without a priest:

N. 1: Alpine Dragon
N. 2: Lengrath
N. 3: Concelhaut

I managed to finish Lengrath with relative ease at 14 by equipping my party with anti beast equipment, engaging the adds first and having my rogue take Lengrath out ASAP. Even so, I had to wait until level sixteen before I could take the Alpine dragon out. I have no idea how other people are able to finish the alpine dragon at level eleven or even lower..
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