US Elections 2016

[Meshugger]

 

Hilary Clinton is evil. If you cna't see that you are delusional.

Evil is a man made construct., I dont believe is such things

 

 

If evil is only a man made construct then it implies that there is no objective morality or axioms to adhere to, which in turn implies that relativistic morality is the only one appliable, which in turn leads to subjective discourse in terms of justice and truth; since those are based on the moral pretences already stated, which leads to atrocious acts being permitted as long as they are confined with their own sense of morality, which finally leads to power for the sake of power being its own moral justification.

 

Yup, sounds like Clinton alright.

[Namutree]

 

Notice which two major candidates who are not on the list. 

LMAO at the amount being given to Jeb. 

 

They should have given it to me.

Edited January 23, 2016 by Namutree

[BruceVC]

 

 

Hilary Clinton is evil. If you cna't see that you are delusional.

Evil is a man made construct., I dont believe is such things

 

 

If evil is only a man made construct then it implies that there is no objective morality or axioms to adhere to, which in turn implies that relativistic morality is the only one appliable, which in turn leads to subjective discourse in terms of justice and truth; since those are based on the moral pretences already stated, which leads to atrocious acts being permitted as long as they are confined with their own sense of morality, which finally leads to power for the sake of power being its own moral justification.

 

Yup, sounds like Clinton alright.

 

No....your post sounds like that strange Finnish rationale you are famous for 

 

You can have morality, laws, governance, justice and all these other things without Evil? What does Evil even mean to you 

[PK htiw klaw eriF]

Morality, laws, governance, and justice are also man made constructs Bruce.

[BruceVC]

Morality, laws, governance, and justice are also man made constructs Bruce.

Okay let me clarify, laws and governance are quantifiable and identifiable parts of any society. They are understood

 

Evil is just a term people use to describe appalling behavior ...so we hear about a  child molester " he is evil" ...,.we see what ISIS does " they are Evil " ...but mentally instability and religious indoctrination are actually the real reasons these things happen  

 

Can you see the difference ? I may not be explaining it  properly 

[PK htiw klaw eriF]

Okay let me clarify, laws and governance are quantifiable and identifiable parts of any society. They are understood

They are also man made constructs, which seemed to be your issue with "evil".

 

Evil is just a term people use to describe appalling behavior ...so we hear about a  child molester " he is evil" ...,.we see what ISIS does " they are Evil " ...but mentally instability and religious indoctrination are actually the real reasons these things happen

"mentally instability and religious indoctrination" is a strange way of spelling "material conditions".

 

Regardless, the same applies to "morality" and "justice" in this case, which are man made constructs that vary from person to person. If you don't believe in "evil", how can you believe in "morality" and "justice"?

 

Can you see the difference ? I may not be explaining it  properly

You aren't.

[Oerwinde]

Good and evil are essential parts of morality

[Chilloutman]

Good and evil are essential parts of morality

sure they are, cant even believe that we have to explain something that basic to Bruce

[BruceVC]

 

Okay let me clarify, laws and governance are quantifiable and identifiable parts of any society. They are understood

They are also man made constructs, which seemed to be your issue with "evil".

 

Evil is just a term people use to describe appalling behavior ...so we hear about a  child molester " he is evil" ...,.we see what ISIS does " they are Evil " ...but mentally instability and religious indoctrination are actually the real reasons these things happen

"mentally instability and religious indoctrination" is a strange way of spelling "material conditions".

 

Regardless, the same applies to "morality" and "justice" in this case, which are man made constructs that vary from person to person. If you don't believe in "evil", how can you believe in "morality" and "justice"?

 

Can you see the difference ? I may not be explaining it  properly

You aren't.

 

I'll try to explain this one more time because sometimes you and I do not get each other and thats fine

 

Think about  a law that says "you cannot kill someone  " ....is this the same as saying " all people who kill are evil " 

A law exists on paper and even though it  can be tested in Court  it is  part of society but the term Evil is subjective, you can't prosecute someone for being Evil...they have to do something wrong and break the law but Evil by itself doesn't mean anything 

[BruceVC]

 

Good and evil are essential parts of morality

sure they are, cant even believe that we have to explain something that basic to Bruce

 

No they part of your definition of morality, I don't kill people because I'm " good " ...I don't kill people because I think its inherently wrong and against basic human rights 

[Chilloutman]

 

 

Good and evil are essential parts of morality

sure they are, cant even believe that we have to explain something that basic to Bruce

 

No they part of your definition of morality, I don't kill people because I'm " good " ...I don't kill people because I think its inherently wrong and against basic human rights

 

even you yourself can see that you are not doing it because its evil. Morality and good or evil may be subjective, but it doesn't change that fact

[Wrath of Dagon]

In the 1979 audio tribute, Sanders said: “Throughout his life Debs was hailed by many as a prophet, a Moses—a man who would lead the American working class out of the desert of capitalism, and into the promised land of socialism. But Debs rejected that role. He said that if the workers were dependent upon some famous leader … then some other famous leader would come along a few years later and lead them right back into capitalist slavery.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/powerpost/wp/2016/01/22/the-daily-202-bernie-sanders-has-a-eugene-v-debs-problem/?wpmm=1&wpisrc=nl_daily202

 

Yes, definitely not a socialist.

[BruceVC]

 

 

 

Good and evil are essential parts of morality

sure they are, cant even believe that we have to explain something that basic to Bruce

 

No they part of your definition of morality, I don't kill people because I'm " good " ...I don't kill people because I think its inherently wrong and against basic human rights

 

even you yourself can see that you are not doing it because its evil. Morality and good or evil may be subjective, but it doesn't change that fact

 

No once again I disagree with your premise,I don't think of my actions as " good " or " evil  "

 

Thats fine if you see things like that but its not a fact for me because both these words  can be seen in a different way which fundamentally changes there definition. Do you think ISIS thinks they evil?

[Elerond]

 

 

 

Good and evil are essential parts of morality

sure they are, cant even believe that we have to explain something that basic to Bruce

 

No they part of your definition of morality, I don't kill people because I'm " good " ...I don't kill people because I think its inherently wrong and against basic human rights

 

even you yourself can see that you are not doing it because its evil. Morality and good or evil may be subjective, but it doesn't change that fact

 

 

Morality (from the Latin moralitas "manner, character, proper behavior") is the differentiation of intentions, decisions, and actions between those that are distinguished as proper and those that are improper: In other words, it is the disjunction between right and wrong.

 

Good:

1. morally excellent; virtuous; righteous; pious:

a good man.

2.satisfactory in quality, quantity, or degree:

a good teacher; good health.

3. of high quality; excellent.

4. right; proper; fit:

It is good that you are here. His credentials are good.

5. well-behaved:

a good child.

6. kind, beneficent, or friendly:

to do a good deed.

7. honorable or worthy; in good standing:

a good name.

 

Evil:

1. morally wrong or bad; immoral; wicked:

evil deeds; an evil life.

2.harmful; injurious:

evil laws.

3. characterized or accompanied by misfortune or suffering; unfortunate; disastrous:

to be fallen on evil days.

4. due to actual or imputed bad conduct or character:

an evil reputation.

5. marked by anger, irritability, irascibility, etc.:

He is known for his evil disposition.

Edited January 23, 2016 by Elerond

[Chilloutman]

 

 

 

 

Good and evil are essential parts of morality

sure they are, cant even believe that we have to explain something that basic to Bruce

 

No they part of your definition of morality, I don't kill people because I'm " good " ...I don't kill people because I think its inherently wrong and against basic human rights

 

even you yourself can see that you are not doing it because its evil. Morality and good or evil may be subjective, but it doesn't change that fact

 

 

Morality (from the Latin moralitas "manner, character, proper behavior") is the differentiation of intentions, decisions, and actions between those that are distinguished as proper and those that are improper: In other words, it is the disjunction between right and wrong.

 

Good:

1. morally excellent; virtuous; righteous; pious:

a good man.

2.satisfactory in quality, quantity, or degree:

a good teacher; good health.

3. of high quality; excellent.

4. right; proper; fit:

It is good that you are here. His credentials are good.

5. well-behaved:

a good child.

6. kind, beneficent, or friendly:

to do a good deed.

7. honorable or worthy; in good standing:

a good name.

 

Evil:

1. morally wrong or bad; immoral; wicked:

evil deeds; an evil life.

2.harmful; injurious:

evil laws.

3. characterized or accompanied by misfortune or suffering; unfortunate; disastrous:

to be fallen on evil days.

4. due to actual or imputed bad conduct or character:

an evil reputation.

5. marked by anger, irritability, irascibility, etc.:

He is known for his evil disposition.

 

didnt i just typed that?

[Chilloutman]

 

 

 

 

Good and evil are essential parts of morality

sure they are, cant even believe that we have to explain something that basic to Bruce

 

No they part of your definition of morality, I don't kill people because I'm " good " ...I don't kill people because I think its inherently wrong and against basic human rights

 

even you yourself can see that you are not doing it because its evil. Morality and good or evil may be subjective, but it doesn't change that fact

 

No once again I disagree with your premise,I don't think of my actions as " good " or " evil  "

 

Thats fine if you see things like that but its not a fact for me because both these words  can be seen in a different way which fundamentally changes there definition. Do you think ISIS thinks they evil?

 

no they dont, thats why i typed its subjective, do i have to get you definition of subjective?

[BruceVC]

 

 

 

 

 

Good and evil are essential parts of morality

sure they are, cant even believe that we have to explain something that basic to Bruce

 

No they part of your definition of morality, I don't kill people because I'm " good " ...I don't kill people because I think its inherently wrong and against basic human rights

 

even you yourself can see that you are not doing it because its evil. Morality and good or evil may be subjective, but it doesn't change that fact

 

No once again I disagree with your premise,I don't think of my actions as " good " or " evil  "

 

Thats fine if you see things like that but its not a fact for me because both these words  can be seen in a different way which fundamentally changes there definition. Do you think ISIS thinks they evil?

 

no they dont, thats why i typed its subjective, do i have to get you definition of subjective?

 

Okay let me try this from a different way, what is a fact in your post ?You said  " it doesn't change the fact " 

[Chilloutman]

 

 

 

 

 

 

Good and evil are essential parts of morality

sure they are, cant even believe that we have to explain something that basic to Bruce

 

No they part of your definition of morality, I don't kill people because I'm " good " ...I don't kill people because I think its inherently wrong and against basic human rights

 

even you yourself can see that you are not doing it because its evil. Morality and good or evil may be subjective, but it doesn't change that fact

 

No once again I disagree with your premise,I don't think of my actions as " good " or " evil  "

 

Thats fine if you see things like that but its not a fact for me because both these words  can be seen in a different way which fundamentally changes there definition. Do you think ISIS thinks they evil?

 

no they dont, thats why i typed its subjective, do i have to get you definition of subjective?

 

Okay let me try this from a different way, what is a fact in your post ?You said  " it doesn't change the fact "

 

fact is that for you killing people is evil, or are you saying that you are not doing it because its to much hassle so you just wait till they die? xD

 

oh my, or even worse, are you not doing it only because its against the law?????

Edited January 23, 2016 by Chilloutman

[BruceVC]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Good and evil are essential parts of morality

sure they are, cant even believe that we have to explain something that basic to Bruce

 

No they part of your definition of morality, I don't kill people because I'm " good " ...I don't kill people because I think its inherently wrong and against basic human rights

 

even you yourself can see that you are not doing it because its evil. Morality and good or evil may be subjective, but it doesn't change that fact

 

No once again I disagree with your premise,I don't think of my actions as " good " or " evil  "

 

Thats fine if you see things like that but its not a fact for me because both these words  can be seen in a different way which fundamentally changes there definition. Do you think ISIS thinks they evil?

 

no they dont, thats why i typed its subjective, do i have to get you definition of subjective?

 

Okay let me try this from a different way, what is a fact in your post ?You said  " it doesn't change the fact "

 

fact is that for you killing people is evil, or are you saying that you are not doing it because its to much hassle so you just wait till they die? xD

 

 No I'm not saying killing people is evil, I don't use that word because I don't believe in it

 

I believe it is wrong and illegal to take someones life. For me murder is not just against the law but it goes against my own personal principles  so I would never do it 

Edited January 23, 2016 by BruceVC

[Barothmuk]

 

In the 1979 audio tribute, Sanders said: “Throughout his life Debs was hailed by many as a prophet, a Moses—a man who would lead the American working class out of the desert of capitalism, and into the promised land of socialism. But Debs rejected that role. He said that if the workers were dependent upon some famous leader … then some other famous leader would come along a few years later and lead them right back into capitalist slavery.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/powerpost/wp/2016/01/22/the-daily-202-bernie-sanders-has-a-eugene-v-debs-problem/?wpmm=1&wpisrc=nl_daily202

 

Yes, definitely not a socialist.

 

Sounds good to me.

[Chilloutman]

No I'm not saying killing people is evil, I don't use that word because I don't believe in it

 

I believe it is wrong and illegal to take someones life. For me murder is not just against the law but it goes against my own personal principles  so I would never do it

believe in what you want and call it as you want, again, it doesnt change fact that you are using your moral compas where something is good and something is evil

 

and i am done talking to you until you stop quoting wall of text or your post will be only thing on each page

[Elerond]

 

didnt i just typed that?

 

 

it was just copy pastes of google's first definitions for those words that you can move back on US politics instead of arguing how people want to define certain words.

[Guard Dog]

 

Bruce I just can NOT fathom this infatuation you have with Hillary Clinton. A more toxic and unlikeable human being I simply could not imagine. If there was a single other viable candidate running for the Democratic bid (and there is a good reason why there isn't) she would be in distant second right now.

 

Its not  so much Clinton I like but she wants to continue the fundamental policies of Obama which are about ensuring a more equitable society and a stronger more significant middle class. Also she isn't planning anything radical that may impact the USA economy, like Sanders and his dislike of big business and the financial sector

 

And that doesn't mean she plans to target people like you ....your commitment  to the overall economy and people like you are the foundation of what the USA is built on and despite right wing rhetoric this will never change  

No thank you. The middle class does NOT need another helping of what Barack Obama served up: http://www.investors.com/incomes-fall-and-poverty-rises-under-obama-census-report/

[BruceVC]

 

 

Bruce I just can NOT fathom this infatuation you have with Hillary Clinton. A more toxic and unlikeable human being I simply could not imagine. If there was a single other viable candidate running for the Democratic bid (and there is a good reason why there isn't) she would be in distant second right now.

 

Its not  so much Clinton I like but she wants to continue the fundamental policies of Obama which are about ensuring a more equitable society and a stronger more significant middle class. Also she isn't planning anything radical that may impact the USA economy, like Sanders and his dislike of big business and the financial sector

 

And that doesn't mean she plans to target people like you ....your commitment  to the overall economy and people like you are the foundation of what the USA is built on and despite right wing rhetoric this will never change  

No thank you. The middle class does NOT need another helping of what Barack Obama served up: http://www.investors.com/incomes-fall-and-poverty-rises-under-obama-census-report/

 

Okay I won't  argue with that data but you must remember he is laying the ground work for future economic changes 

 

But also this will take time and there will be failures. For example I think some people think they can achieve  economic upliftment without hard work. And despite some of the structural changes Obama has implemented somethings will only change the hard way that many people like you and me believe in....hard work. diligence and learn to take responsibility for your actions  

 

So for example China is going through a major economic structural reform...they are changing there economic model from export driven economy to a consumer based economy but this will take time and we shouldn't expect a stable China for 3-5 years

 

The USA is going through its own one with policies that the Democrats espouse 

 

Yes they will fail if we get successive Republican presidents who are opposed to them but end of the day these changes don't really effect you. I know you feel they do but  I would say until we get FBI literally coming to your property to confiscate your guns things like Obamacare are not as bad as you think

[PK htiw klaw eriF]

Obama is merely continuing the work of global capitalism, which will see working-class westerners lose status as manufacturing and some service is moved to states where they can pay workers much less. The only candidates promoting anything different are Trump(with protectionism) and Sanders(with more workers benefits and protectionism), and even then it's small differences.