Turkey shoots down russian jet

[FlintlockJazz]

Well, as usual those who pay for this or that action are usually the innocents, never the ones responsible.  Many more innocents are due to die before this is due to finish.  

[BruceVC]

 

 

 

Yeah, we hear you. Turkeys actions seem unnecessary

 

How is the general view in Russia? 

 

It's more than "unnecessary", it's murder. They were waiting in an ambush with cameras at the ready like rats. This is the view in Russia.

 

Okay I'm  not sure if that is true ....what do you mean cameras? Are you being serious 

 

 

I would guess that he means that there are videos about shooting that plane that surfaced quite soon after the incident.

 

You know Elerond I don't care what ANY of the guys in the EU say about you....you are clever 

[obyknven]

 

[Drowsy Emperor]

Russian marine killed as well, a chopper was shot by a TOW missile.

 

Naturally, they were camping the area, waiting for the inevitable rescue attempt. Where is this data that they executed the pilots coming from?

 

I think that Turkey has made a costly error here. I have not seen Putin so furious in a long time.

[Darkpriest]

 

Russian marine killed as well, a chopper was shot by a TOW missile.

 

Naturally, they were camping the area, waiting for the inevitable rescue attempt. Where is this data that they executed the pilots coming from?

 

I think that Turkey has made a costly error here. I have not seen Putin so furious in a long time.

 

 

I do not recall him being this pissed ever to be honest.

[Drowsy Emperor]

OMG they shot parachuting pilots in the air. That's the lowest of the low. Time to find the largest turkmen settlement in the area and reduce it to cinders?

 

I would not want to be them right now.

Edited November 24, 2015 by Drowsy Emperor

[Darkpriest]

OMG they shot parachuting pilots in the air. That's the lowest of the low. Time to find the largest turkmen settlement in the area and reduce it to cinders?

 

I know, Russians will not let it slide...

[Sarex]

Who ever ordered this to happen just did Russia a big favor, any doubt that the Russian people had about NATO and the conflict against the "Islamic State", is now no more. I was just watching the video of muslims shooting at the parachuting Russian pilot and I can tell you that this single video did more for Putin than any propaganda out there. He can now safely boost his military spending and some pants are going to be shat.

[Sakai]

OMG they shot parachuting pilots in the air. That's the lowest of the low. Time to find the largest turkmen settlement in the area and reduce it to cinders?

 

I would not want to be them right now.

Why not just nuke them? Just kill them all, men, women, children. Why bother. Just drop nukes on everyone and then we can finally have peace. 

[Drowsy Emperor]

Attractive proposition 

 

 

Here's the video

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GPmmtrMJyHs

Edited November 24, 2015 by Drowsy Emperor

[Darkpriest]

 

OMG they shot parachuting pilots in the air. That's the lowest of the low. Time to find the largest turkmen settlement in the area and reduce it to cinders?

 

I would not want to be them right now.

Why not just nuke them? Just kill them all, men, women, children. Why bother. Just drop nukes on everyone and then we can finally have peace. 

 

 

Now I am not sure if this is sarcasting or does it have some backing among more nationalistic movements in Russia :D

[Malcador]

Why not just nuke them? Just kill them all, men, women, children. Why bother. Just drop nukes on everyone and then we can finally have peace.

Nah, too much fear of reprisal. Have to bloody someone's nose, and Turkey seems sensitive about the Turkmen in Syria so they pay the price.

[Sakai]

 

 

OMG they shot parachuting pilots in the air. That's the lowest of the low. Time to find the largest turkmen settlement in the area and reduce it to cinders?

 

I would not want to be them right now.

Why not just nuke them? Just kill them all, men, women, children. Why bother. Just drop nukes on everyone and then we can finally have peace. 

 

 

Now I am not sure if this is sarcasting or does it have some backing among more nationalistic movements in Russia :D

 

If it does, i'm certainly not sharing that view. It's beyond stupid to ask for more violence when the whole affair is ridiculous in the first place. Russia should've never went into Syria, and it was really just a matter of time before something like that happened considering what kind of person Putin is. The only positive solution here is complete withdrawal. but of course that's not going to happen and so there will be more blood.

[Drowsy Emperor]

 

Why not just nuke them? Just kill them all, men, women, children. Why bother. Just drop nukes on everyone and then we can finally have peace.

Nah, too much fear of reprisal. Have to bloody someone's nose, and Turkey seems sensitive about the Turkmen in Syria so they pay the price.

 

 

I think its more of a question of not thinking along those lines in the first place. In the hypothetical situation that Russians nuked Turkey in less than an hour the country would be the future setting of Fallout 5 and the rest of the world would do exactly nothing. The only reaction possible would be to go MAD and the only country that could do that is the USA and the likelihood that they would trigger global nuclear war over a country like Turkey is beyond remote.

 

But the incident is still small in scope and so the reaction should be appropriate, but decisive. 

Edited November 24, 2015 by Drowsy Emperor

[BruceVC]

 

 

 

OMG they shot parachuting pilots in the air. That's the lowest of the low. Time to find the largest turkmen settlement in the area and reduce it to cinders?

 

I would not want to be them right now.

Why not just nuke them? Just kill them all, men, women, children. Why bother. Just drop nukes on everyone and then we can finally have peace. 

 

 

Now I am not sure if this is sarcasting or does it have some backing among more nationalistic movements in Russia :D

 

If it does, i'm certainly not sharing that view. It's beyond stupid to ask for more violence when the whole affair is ridiculous in the first place. Russia should've never went into Syria, and it was really just a matter of time before something like that happened considering what kind of person Putin is. The only positive solution here is complete withdrawal. but of course that's not going to happen and so there will be more blood.

 

I agree with part of what my Russian friend says, Putin let this go too far... but I think Putin getting involved is a good thing so now he understands what the West has been doing for the last 14 years 

[Darkpriest]

1) Russian fighters get a green light in rules of engagement towards turkish airforce nearing a combat distance, plus electronic warfare from the Russian instalations in Crimea base and Syrian basin fleet

 

2) Turkmen in Syria will get bombed HARD

 

3) Russia will put economic pressure on Turkey (oil&gas, plus other economic deals)

 

these are the most probable outcomes, others more atagonistic would mean suspending diplomatic relations between the countries and entering a state of cold war.

[Gfted1]

I think its more of a question of not thinking along those lines in the first place. In the hypothetical situation that Russians nuked Turkey in less than an hour the country would be the future setting of Fallout 5 and the rest of the world would do exactly nothing. The only reaction possible would be to go MAD and the only country that could do that is the USA and the likelihood that they would trigger global nuclear war over a country like Turkey is beyond remote.

 

But the incident is still small in scope and so the reaction should be appropriate, but decisive.

MAD isnt the only possible response. Per Google, Turkey "hosts" 60-70 US nukes as part of NATO's nuclear umbrella. I have no doubt some would mysteriously go missing and then suddenly Moscow is aglow.

[Drowsy Emperor]

1) Russian fighters get a green light in rules of engagement towards turkish airforce nearing a combat distance, plus electronic warfare from the Russian instalations in Crimea base and Syrian basin fleet

 

2) Turkmen in Syria will get bombed HARD

 

3) Russia will put economic pressure on Turkey (oil&gas, plus other economic deals)

 

these are the most probable outcomes, others more atagonistic would mean suspending diplomatic relations between the countries and entering a state of cold war.

 

Most probably.

[Meshugger]

4) The kurds will get a huge boost of armaments support

 

I saw the video as well. Shooting exiting pilots is about the same level as torturing animals because it is fun. Little can be done against such people except for:

 

[Darkpriest]

nvm - newer post on next page.

Edited November 24, 2015 by Darkpriest

[BruceVC]

1) Russian fighters get a green light in rules of engagement towards turkish airforce nearing a combat distance, plus electronic warfare from the Russian instalations in Crimea base and Syrian basin fleet

 

2) Turkmen in Syria will get bombed HARD

 

3) Russia will put economic pressure on Turkey (oil&gas, plus other economic deals)

 

these are the most probable outcomes, others more atagonistic would mean suspending diplomatic relations between the countries and entering a state of cold war.

Aren't you glad I convinced you to not just drop the West and rather just have smaller trade ties with China...in other words  BRICS is not the solution..my country was fooled into aligning with them

[Drowsy Emperor]

 

I think its more of a question of not thinking along those lines in the first place. In the hypothetical situation that Russians nuked Turkey in less than an hour the country would be the future setting of Fallout 5 and the rest of the world would do exactly nothing. The only reaction possible would be to go MAD and the only country that could do that is the USA and the likelihood that they would trigger global nuclear war over a country like Turkey is beyond remote.

 

But the incident is still small in scope and so the reaction should be appropriate, but decisive.

MAD isnt the only possible response. Per Google, Turkey "hosts" 60-70 US nukes as part of NATO's nuclear umbrella. I have no doubt some would mysteriously go missing and then suddenly Moscow is aglow.

 

 

That would still trigger retaliatory strikes and MAD as everyone is aware that the final word on nuke usage is given by US. 

Edited November 24, 2015 by Drowsy Emperor

[Darkpriest]

First offical response:

 

 - all military contacts and discussions are terminated with Turkey

 

 - A Heavy Rocket Cruiser is relocated near Syria with the high tech "Fort" anti-air systems (they are equivalent of land based S-300)

https://en.wikipedia...S-300_(missile)

 

- fighter jets will be now escorting bombing operations.

 

- all targets posing even a remote threat will be engaged and destroyed.

Edited November 24, 2015 by Darkpriest

[Gfted1]

^Didn't you just make the same post on #119?

 

Maybe I was unclear. If Russia nuked Turkey, Turkey would not wait for the US to say "sure, go use our nukes", they would just take them. IMO, it would result in a tit-for-tat citybusting exchange, not full on worldwide nuclear exchanges.

[Sakai]

I saw the video as well. Shooting exiting pilots is about the same level as torturing animals because it is fun. Little can be done against such people except for:

While not excusing their actions by any means, it's interesting how people saying something like that forgetting the fact these pilots were dropping bombs on them in the first place. And i've heard reports that they're not even particularly choosy on who they drop them, militants or civilians. In any case, it's a bit hypocritical to expect these people to act differently. "We're dropping bombs on you, but shooting a pilot is just too much!" Really?

Edited November 24, 2015 by Sakai