Russia declares war on memes

[PK htiw klaw eriF]

https://archive.today/l4m3N

 

They say it's now illegal to use celebrities photographs in a meme when it has nothing to do with the celebrities' personality.

 

Edited April 14, 2015 by KaineParker

[BruceVC]

https://archive.today/l4m3N

 

They say it's now illegal to use celebrities photographs in a meme when it has nothing to do with the celebrities' personality.

 

 

https://archive.today/l4m3N

 

They say it's now illegal to use celebrities photographs in a meme when it has nothing to do with the celebrities' personality.

 

 

Yeah I saw this on another website, its just example of the Putin regime clamping down on freedom of speech and expression in Russia 

[cirdanx]

Yeah I saw this on another website, its just example of the Putin regime clamping down on freedom of speech and expression in Russia 

 

 

Oh well, i don´t think he really needs that considering his high approval raitings with the population.

 

Also it has nothing to do with him, the backstory on this is here: http://www.vocativ.com/world/russia/the-unusual-case-that-led-to-russias-new-meme-ban/?PageSpeed=noscript

 

If anyone cares, i dont really *shrug*

[Longknife]

Lucky Milhouse. He's not a meme.

[Gfted1]

Oh well, i don´t think he really needs that considering his high approval raitings with the population.

 

[cirdanx]

 

Oh well, i don´t think he really needs that considering his high approval raitings with the population.

 

 

 

I knew something like this would come up, not dissapointed

[Valsuelm]

 

Yeah I saw this on another website, its just example of the Putin regime clamping down on freedom of speech and expression in Russia 

 

 

Oh well, i don´t think he really needs that considering his high approval raitings with the population.

 

Also it has nothing to do with him, the backstory on this is here: http://www.vocativ.com/world/russia/the-unusual-case-that-led-to-russias-new-meme-ban/?PageSpeed=noscript

 

If anyone cares, i dont really *shrug*

 

 

Raining on Bruce's anti Putin parade again are you?

 

That's actually an interesting case, and I don't necessarily see anything wrong with it if applied well. I can't read Russian so I can't check on the finer points of the legal matter. But there certainly are legitimate issues raised.

[Zoraptor]

Meh, that [gfted1's pic] at least should be banned for crimes against photoshopping. Sloppy and lazy, incorrectly apportioned, poor lighting match, obvious quality variance, cut and paste artefacts. It makes my eyes bleed (mission accomplished?)

 

OTOH Putin riding bear and Putin riding dinosaur never get old and are rather good, technically. Or maybe they aren't actually 'shopped; who knows with Putin.

Edited April 14, 2015 by Zoraptor

[LadyCrimson]

I like the one where he's riding a Ritz cracker. Don't ask me why, I don't know why, I just do.

[BruceVC]

 

Oh well, i don´t think he really needs that considering his high approval raitings with the population.

 

 

 

[Rosbjerg]

https://archive.today/l4m3N

 

They say it's now illegal to use celebrities photographs in a meme when it has nothing to do with the celebrities' personality.

 

 

I see no problem here then - Putin is living in a fantasy world .. I think these shops are a perfect reflection of his personality.

[Valsuelm]

 

https://archive.today/l4m3N

 

They say it's now illegal to use celebrities photographs in a meme when it has nothing to do with the celebrities' personality.

 

 

I see no problem here then - Putin is living in a fantasy world .. I think these shops are a perfect reflection of his personality.

 

 

Na... they're much more a reflection of the person who made them, as is usually the case with any art.

 

Of all the 'world leaders' out there, Putin is one of the most down to earth. He just cultivates his personality in a manner that some may find amusing, but quite a lot of people fall for. He probably does it better than anyone else on the 'world leader' stage right now. As with any cult of personality, the fantasy world lies with the cult and those focused on it, not necessarily the personality. If you actually think Putin is living in a fantasy world, you would likely be surprised just how many popular personalities put on an act when they walk onto any stage or into any spotlight (or perhaps you're just bamboozled like the General). For the successful, the answer is: Most. Of course many of these folks let it all go to their head (ie: Sean Hannity, Howard Stern), or were nuts to begin with (ie: Hillary Clinton, Nancy Pelosi). I've never seen evidence that Putin's let it go to his head or that he's nuts. All evidence points to very intelligent, pragmatic, down to earth, and ruthless man

 

[RedCat]

As usual, they tried to smash a mosquito but used a club so broked a jaw while doing it.

 

But what not mentioned in the article is that there is actually 3 main points of the law they try to pass:

Law of violation of using personal data of public persons:

1. To make fake account using a public person identity (name,foto, birthdate, position etc.)

2. To create a fake website about public person and its professional and social activity.

3. Using a foto of a public person as representation of a popular internet meme not related to a persona of that public person.

 

Sorry for the rough translation.

[teknoman2]

so, they pass a new law because of a butthurt celebrity. that's so common, it wouldn't even make it in the news in the US and many other western countries

[BruceVC]

so, they pass a new law because of a butthurt celebrity. that's so common, it wouldn't even make it in the news in the US and many other western countries

I must be misunderstanding, are you saying this type of event, which is clamping down on freedom of expression , is common in Western countries?

[PK htiw klaw eriF]

so, they pass a new law because of a butthurt celebrity. that's so common, it wouldn't even make it in the news in the US and many other western countries

They'll take my memes from my cold dead hands.

[Amentep]

 

so, they pass a new law because of a butthurt celebrity. that's so common, it wouldn't even make it in the news in the US and many other western countries

I must be misunderstanding, are you saying this type of event, which is clamping down on freedom of expression , is common in Western countries?

 

I think he means celebrity images being co-opted into memes is so common, the fact that one was made and a celebrity didn't like it wouldn't make the news.

[BruceVC]

 

 

so, they pass a new law because of a butthurt celebrity. that's so common, it wouldn't even make it in the news in the US and many other western countries

I must be misunderstanding, are you saying this type of event, which is clamping down on freedom of expression , is common in Western countries?

 

I think he means celebrity images being co-opted into memes is so common, the fact that one was made and a celebrity didn't like it wouldn't make the news.

 

 

You clever Amentep, I think that is exactly what he meant. It makes sense 

[Valsuelm]

 

so, they pass a new law because of a butthurt celebrity. that's so common, it wouldn't even make it in the news in the US and many other western countries

I must be misunderstanding, are you saying this type of event, which is clamping down on freedom of expression , is common in Western countries?

 

 

In case it's completely missed you, which it seems to have done, the issue is not merely about 'freedom of expression'. There are other issues at play. Libel and fraud being two of them, both of which are recognized in western law (to varying degrees depending on where you live).

 

As I said before, I can't read Russian so can't get at the finer points of the law, but as it's been represented, there actually may be little wrong with it, and very well might even stand up as a law in the U.S.. We have legislation on the books in regards to Libel and Fraud already, which, situationally could apply to memes. The thing about memes in the U.S. though is that it would generally be hard to prove who was responsible for it, one meme alone isn't usually damaging, and the people behind most of them are idiots without much money, so a civil suit is almost never going to be feasible because of these and other factors.

Edited April 15, 2015 by Valsuelm

[BruceVC]

 

 

so, they pass a new law because of a butthurt celebrity. that's so common, it wouldn't even make it in the news in the US and many other western countries

I must be misunderstanding, are you saying this type of event, which is clamping down on freedom of expression , is common in Western countries?

 

 

In case it's completely missed you, which it seems to have done, the issue is not merely about 'freedom of expression'. There are other issues at play. Libel and fraud being two of them, both of which are recognized in western law (to varying degrees depending on where you live).

 

As I said before, I can't read Russian so can't get at the finer points of the law, but as it's been represented, there actually may be little wrong with it, and very well might even stand up as a law in the U.S.. We have legislation on the books in regards to Libel and Fraud already, which, situationally could apply to memes. The thing about memes though is that it would generally be hard to prove who was responsible for it, one meme alone isn't usually damaging, and the people behind most of them are idiots without much money, so a civil suit is rarely going to be feasible because of these and other factors.

 

So you support this move in Russia ?

[cirdanx]

 

 

so, they pass a new law because of a butthurt celebrity. that's so common, it wouldn't even make it in the news in the US and many other western countries

I must be misunderstanding, are you saying this type of event, which is clamping down on freedom of expression , is common in Western countries?

 

 

In case it's completely missed you, which it seems to have done, the issue is not merely about 'freedom of expression'. There are other issues at play. Libel and fraud being two of them, both of which are recognized in western law (to varying degrees depending on where you live).

 

As I said before, I can't read Russian so can't get at the finer points of the law, but as it's been represented, there actually may be little wrong with it, and very well might even stand up as a law in the U.S.. We have legislation on the books in regards to Libel and Fraud already, which, situationally could apply to memes. The thing about memes in the U.S. though is that it would generally be hard to prove who was responsible for it, one meme alone isn't usually damaging, and the people behind most of them are idiots without much money, so a civil suit is almost never going to be feasible because of these and other factors.

 

 

Very well said and i agree. In fact there isn´t that much difference in free speech if you compare russia and the west. The whole idea that everyone in the east is oppressed is realy nothing but a propaganda tool, too many people believe Russia today is still like the Soviet Union, well it´s not

 

Also, concerning free speech in the west...i always saw it more like a farce full of double standarts, but before i write another mega post i will just point to this article, which is a decent view on it, in my opinion: http://www.presstv.com/Detail/2015/01/10/392456/The-farce-of-Western-free-speech

[cirdanx]

So you support this move in Russia ?

 

Well i don´t think its any of my business. To me this is just another stupid law that doesn´t effect anything realy, it won´t stop memes, but by looking at the backstory, which DID cause people damage, i can see the intend. But it doesn´t change a thing, people will still look at memes and make them, just like people in the UK will still make and look at all the banned porn there (which is even more of a ridiculous law than this)

[Valsuelm]

 

 

 

so, they pass a new law because of a butthurt celebrity. that's so common, it wouldn't even make it in the news in the US and many other western countries

I must be misunderstanding, are you saying this type of event, which is clamping down on freedom of expression , is common in Western countries?

 

 

In case it's completely missed you, which it seems to have done, the issue is not merely about 'freedom of expression'. There are other issues at play. Libel and fraud being two of them, both of which are recognized in western law (to varying degrees depending on where you live).

 

As I said before, I can't read Russian so can't get at the finer points of the law, but as it's been represented, there actually may be little wrong with it, and very well might even stand up as a law in the U.S.. We have legislation on the books in regards to Libel and Fraud already, which, situationally could apply to memes. The thing about memes though is that it would generally be hard to prove who was responsible for it, one meme alone isn't usually damaging, and the people behind most of them are idiots without much money, so a civil suit is rarely going to be feasible because of these and other factors.

 

So you support this move in Russia ?

 

 

General,

 

As I've tried to point out to you repeatedly, the world is generally not made up of black and white.

 

I don't support nor condemn this move in Russia as I've not seen the actual legal language myself. In my own nation, where I can read the laws, there are articles misrepresenting those laws all the time. Propaganda is everywhere, arguably even more so in regards to foreign nations. In the case of this situation it certainly is dishonest to say 'The Kremlin declares war on memes', but that headline serves to reinforce a narrative for the brainwashed, so it is used.

 

If I support any law at all I would support one that allows those reasonably damaged by fraud and libel (via meme or any other manner) to seek redress, ie: anti-Libel and anti-Fraud laws.

Edited April 15, 2015 by Valsuelm

[Valsuelm]

 

 

 

so, they pass a new law because of a butthurt celebrity. that's so common, it wouldn't even make it in the news in the US and many other western countries

I must be misunderstanding, are you saying this type of event, which is clamping down on freedom of expression , is common in Western countries?

 

 

In case it's completely missed you, which it seems to have done, the issue is not merely about 'freedom of expression'. There are other issues at play. Libel and fraud being two of them, both of which are recognized in western law (to varying degrees depending on where you live).

 

As I said before, I can't read Russian so can't get at the finer points of the law, but as it's been represented, there actually may be little wrong with it, and very well might even stand up as a law in the U.S.. We have legislation on the books in regards to Libel and Fraud already, which, situationally could apply to memes. The thing about memes in the U.S. though is that it would generally be hard to prove who was responsible for it, one meme alone isn't usually damaging, and the people behind most of them are idiots without much money, so a civil suit is almost never going to be feasible because of these and other factors.

 

 

Very well said and i agree. In fact there isn´t that much difference in free speech if you compare russia and the west. The whole idea that everyone in the east is oppressed is realy nothing but a propaganda tool, too many people believe Russia today is still like the Soviet Union, well it´s not

 

Also, concerning free speech in the west...i always saw it more like a farce full of double standarts, but before i write another mega post i will just point to this article, which is a decent view on it, in my opinion: http://www.presstv.com/Detail/2015/01/10/392456/The-farce-of-Western-free-speech

 

 

'Freedom of Speech' in many nations in the west does not now nor has ever really existed. It's a myth that it exists. A decent litmus test is to look up which nations outlaw questioning aspects of the 'Holocaust'. Where you have a nation that will put someone in jail  for questioning the 'Holocaust' you will find a nation that will put people in jail for other bits of speech as well. Those nations do not have true 'Freedom of Speech' enshrined in their culture or law. (tip: question anything and everything that any government ever outlaws discussion about).

 

Many nations have adopted anti 'hate speech' laws in recent years, which sometimes encompass questioning the 'holocaust'. ie: Canada

 

In the U.S. it does did exist. It's enshrined in the highest law of the land (which is increasingly ignored or perverted in some manner), and historically has been a fundamental concept in our culture. In modern times though that culture has been under fire and is deteriorating,  ie: the subversive cultural Marxist ambiguous concept of 'hate speech' landed here in the States in recent times and laws have been enacted against it, something which is entirely unconstitutional and doesn't bode well at all for the health of the nation.

 

To a large degree though you can get away with saying anything you want in the U.S.. Legally anyways. Just don't violate those unconstitutional ambiguous anti 'hatespeech' laws (which don't exist in every state), and end up before a judge which will put those laws above the constitution. For the most part though, you'll only find yourself violating those laws if you've violated some other law. They're generally just politicized laws designed to subvert the culture, and in practice generally just exacerbate a situation where someone is already getting charged for some other crime.

 

For example:

 

You can say 'i hope you die you mother ****ing *'N' word* all you want. You won't be convicted of a speech crime (at least not yet; you might get arrested by an idiot though).

 

You can't say that very thing though while beating a black person up without being charged with a 'hate' crime in some jurisdictions. Or beat a black person up after having said such a thing where others could hear you.

 

The insanity and evil of such laws, which largely amount to thought policing, is obvious to some but amazingly not to others (or they're just evil). And such things are on the rise. (The road ahead is getting darker as we go.)

 

Laws against libel and fraud exist of course, but generally don't land you in jail (especially in the case of the former) unless you've defrauded some 'official' government sanctioned thing. To a large degree these laws just allow people who have been damaged in a substantial way to seek redress against those who damaged them (if what was said was false). A jury gets to decide either way, most of the time (unless a plea/settlement deal is reached). ie: A recent somewhat famous example of this was Jessie Ventura's successful suit against the estate of Chris Kyle.

Edited April 16, 2015 by Valsuelm

[BruceVC]

 

 

 

so, they pass a new law because of a butthurt celebrity. that's so common, it wouldn't even make it in the news in the US and many other western countries

I must be misunderstanding, are you saying this type of event, which is clamping down on freedom of expression , is common in Western countries?

 

 

In case it's completely missed you, which it seems to have done, the issue is not merely about 'freedom of expression'. There are other issues at play. Libel and fraud being two of them, both of which are recognized in western law (to varying degrees depending on where you live).

 

As I said before, I can't read Russian so can't get at the finer points of the law, but as it's been represented, there actually may be little wrong with it, and very well might even stand up as a law in the U.S.. We have legislation on the books in regards to Libel and Fraud already, which, situationally could apply to memes. The thing about memes in the U.S. though is that it would generally be hard to prove who was responsible for it, one meme alone isn't usually damaging, and the people behind most of them are idiots without much money, so a civil suit is almost never going to be feasible because of these and other factors.

 

 

Very well said and i agree. In fact there isn´t that much difference in free speech if you compare russia and the west. The whole idea that everyone in the east is oppressed is realy nothing but a propaganda tool, too many people believe Russia today is still like the Soviet Union, well it´s not

 

Also, concerning free speech in the west...i always saw it more like a farce full of double standarts, but before i write another mega post i will just point to this article, which is a decent view on it, in my opinion: http://www.presstv.com/Detail/2015/01/10/392456/The-farce-of-Western-free-speech

 

 

Yeah,..,..there isn't much of a difference between freedom of speech in places like Russia or the USA ...except for the fact that is 

 

Putin has been actively involved in controlling the narrative in the country, RT ( Russia Today)is state owned...how can you seriously suggest that freedom of press is the same in Russia and West?  You do realize that the likes of  CNN, Sky or BBC are independent media houses that regularly criticize there own governments and presidents or prime ministers. You never hear this on RT ...its just a constant negative view of the West and a bias view of Russian activities 

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RT_(TV_network)

 

How many Western Journalists have been killed or arrested in Western countries?

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_journalists_killed_in_Russia

 

 

How much influence do Western governments have on the independence on media houses in there countries 

 

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_the_press_in_Russia

 

 

Self-censorship is rife in Russia because of the consequences if the news isn't what Putin likes to hear. Western media houses constantly undermine or question there own governments..because that's the strength and purpose  of a true free press. They are the watchdogs of a Democracy 

 

 

I get you have been  drinking the "Putin kool-aid "...thats you choice. But don't expect the rest of us to do the same. I can accept  the issue of Ukraine is nuanced and complicated but you go too far when you say things like " freedom of press is the same in Russia and The West"  

Edited April 16, 2015 by BruceVC