Should discussion about The Poem be ... censored?

[achaye]

Calling me a homophobe for not agreeing with you also doesn't help your case.

 

But pointing out your repeated homophobic slurs and insults does. Go on, keep using homophobic slurs and insults, it's the fastest way for others who are lurking and reading to understand how much crap an already-maligned minority has to take.

 

But seriously, you need to stop it with the homophobic insults; it's no different than the misogyny that permeates when someone uses "you [verb] like a girl" as an insult.

[Namutree]

Why was it removed? Because it certainly wasn't homophobic.

 

It was removed because it offended a trans woman who asked for it to be removed.

Edited April 13, 2015 by Namutree

[FaustianEchoes]

 

Why was it removed? Because it certainly wasn't homophobic.

 

It was removed because it offended a trans woman who asked for it to be removed.

 

That's easily the dumbest reason to remove something.

 

"It made me butthurt."

 

"REMOVE IT!"

[BruceVC]

 

 

Why was it removed? Because it certainly wasn't homophobic.

 

It was removed because it offended a trans woman who asked for it to be removed.

 

That's easily the dumbest reason to remove something.

 

"It made me butthurt."

 

"REMOVE IT!"

 

 

Not really, this is actually a valid reason for changes in many things in civil society  like politicians retracting comments or misplaced marketing campaigns that are considered offensive to certain groups

 

People say or do things, sometimes these things  are then criticized. Then there is an assessment of the issue and a change is made and sometimes an apology

 

This is the way the world works 

[Serdan]

 

 

 

Why was it removed? Because it certainly wasn't homophobic.

 

It was removed because it offended a trans woman who asked for it to be removed.

 

That's easily the dumbest reason to remove something.

 

"It made me butthurt."

 

"REMOVE IT!"

 

 

Not really, this is actually a valid reason for changes in many things in civil society  like politicians retracting comments or misplaced marketing campaigns that are considered offensive to certain groups

 

People say or do things, sometimes these things  are then criticized. Then there is an assessment of the issue and a change is made and sometimes an apology

 

This is the way the world works 

 

But but but... That's so reasonable.

[Lmaoboat]

While I don't think there was any validity to complaints in this instance, I don't think every instance of taking something back after criticism is self-censorship. 

[FaustianEchoes]

 

 

 

Why was it removed? Because it certainly wasn't homophobic.

 

It was removed because it offended a trans woman who asked for it to be removed.

 

That's easily the dumbest reason to remove something.

 

"It made me butthurt."

 

"REMOVE IT!"

 

 

Not really, this is actually a valid reason for changes in many things in civil society  like politicians retracting comments or misplaced marketing campaigns that are considered offensive to certain groups

 

People say or do things, sometimes these things  are then criticized. Then there is an assessment of the issue and a change is made and sometimes an apology

 

This is the way the world works 

 

 

Sorry to burst your bubble, but that is not how the world works. That's how politics works. In the real world, you will be hurt and offended. You either deal with it, or you cry to mommy and have mommy do something about it. You're a victim, and you teach others how to be victims. You should be teaching people how to deal with the real world. I'm under the impression that the internet, social media, and message boards is as real as your world gets. In which case, I can see how you'd think crying to someone to get what you want is the best course. You know who else does that? Babies.

Edited April 13, 2015 by FaustianEchoes

[BruceVC]

 

 

 

 

Why was it removed? Because it certainly wasn't homophobic.

 

It was removed because it offended a trans woman who asked for it to be removed.

 

That's easily the dumbest reason to remove something.

 

"It made me butthurt."

 

"REMOVE IT!"

 

 

Not really, this is actually a valid reason for changes in many things in civil society  like politicians retracting comments or misplaced marketing campaigns that are considered offensive to certain groups

 

People say or do things, sometimes these things  are then criticized. Then there is an assessment of the issue and a change is made and sometimes an apology

 

This is the way the world works 

 

 

Sorry to burst your bubble, but that is not how the world works. That's how politics works. In the real world, you will be hurt and offended. You either deal with it, or you cry to mommy and have mommy do something about it. You're a victim, and you teach others how to be victims. You should be teaching people how to deal with the real world.

 

 

Which country do you live in Faustian? I am interested because it may have something to do with your view " that things cannot be altered or retracted once they are done or said  " 

 

And this definitely doesn't just apply to politics but my point permeates all aspects of a democratic society

[FaustianEchoes]

 

 

 

 

 

Why was it removed? Because it certainly wasn't homophobic.

 

It was removed because it offended a trans woman who asked for it to be removed.

 

That's easily the dumbest reason to remove something.

 

"It made me butthurt."

 

"REMOVE IT!"

 

 

Not really, this is actually a valid reason for changes in many things in civil society  like politicians retracting comments or misplaced marketing campaigns that are considered offensive to certain groups

 

People say or do things, sometimes these things  are then criticized. Then there is an assessment of the issue and a change is made and sometimes an apology

 

This is the way the world works 

 

 

Sorry to burst your bubble, but that is not how the world works. That's how politics works. In the real world, you will be hurt and offended. You either deal with it, or you cry to mommy and have mommy do something about it. You're a victim, and you teach others how to be victims. You should be teaching people how to deal with the real world.

 

 

Which country do you live in Faustian? I am interested because it may have something to do with your view " that things cannot be altered or retracted once they are done or said  " 

 

And this definitely doesn't just apply to politics but my point permeates all aspects of a democratic society

 

 

"Mommy he called me a name!"

 

"Well I'll call his mother and he'll be grounded!"

 

"Well that turned out well for me, I think I'll complain every time I don't like something instead of just standing up for myself and not being a baby."

[BruceVC]

 

 

 

 

 

 

Why was it removed? Because it certainly wasn't homophobic.

 

It was removed because it offended a trans woman who asked for it to be removed.

 

That's easily the dumbest reason to remove something.

 

"It made me butthurt."

 

"REMOVE IT!"

 

 

Not really, this is actually a valid reason for changes in many things in civil society  like politicians retracting comments or misplaced marketing campaigns that are considered offensive to certain groups

 

People say or do things, sometimes these things  are then criticized. Then there is an assessment of the issue and a change is made and sometimes an apology

 

This is the way the world works 

 

 

Sorry to burst your bubble, but that is not how the world works. That's how politics works. In the real world, you will be hurt and offended. You either deal with it, or you cry to mommy and have mommy do something about it. You're a victim, and you teach others how to be victims. You should be teaching people how to deal with the real world.

 

 

Which country do you live in Faustian? I am interested because it may have something to do with your view " that things cannot be altered or retracted once they are done or said  " 

 

And this definitely doesn't just apply to politics but my point permeates all aspects of a democratic society

 

 

"Mommy he called me a name!"

 

"Well I'll call his mother and he'll be grounded!"

 

"Well that turned out well for me, I think I'll complain every time I don't like something instead of just standing up for myself and not being a baby."

 

 

Can you respond to my question, what country do you live in?

 

I want to understand the context to your views 

[FaustianEchoes]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Why was it removed? Because it certainly wasn't homophobic.

 

It was removed because it offended a trans woman who asked for it to be removed.

 

That's easily the dumbest reason to remove something.

 

"It made me butthurt."

 

"REMOVE IT!"

 

 

Not really, this is actually a valid reason for changes in many things in civil society  like politicians retracting comments or misplaced marketing campaigns that are considered offensive to certain groups

 

People say or do things, sometimes these things  are then criticized. Then there is an assessment of the issue and a change is made and sometimes an apology

 

This is the way the world works 

 

 

Sorry to burst your bubble, but that is not how the world works. That's how politics works. In the real world, you will be hurt and offended. You either deal with it, or you cry to mommy and have mommy do something about it. You're a victim, and you teach others how to be victims. You should be teaching people how to deal with the real world.

 

 

Which country do you live in Faustian? I am interested because it may have something to do with your view " that things cannot be altered or retracted once they are done or said  " 

 

And this definitely doesn't just apply to politics but my point permeates all aspects of a democratic society

 

 

"Mommy he called me a name!"

 

"Well I'll call his mother and he'll be grounded!"

 

"Well that turned out well for me, I think I'll complain every time I don't like something instead of just standing up for myself and not being a baby."

 

 

Can you respond to my question, what country do you live in?

 

I want to understand the context to your views 

 

 

Where do you think I'm from? Clearly you've already geographically stereotyped me.

[BruceVC]

 

 

 

 

 

 

Sorry to burst your bubble, but that is not how the world works. That's how politics works. In the real world, you will be hurt and offended. You either deal with it, or you cry to mommy and have mommy do something about it. You're a victim, and you teach others how to be victims. You should be teaching people how to deal with the real world.

 

 

Which country do you live in Faustian? I am interested because it may have something to do with your view " that things cannot be altered or retracted once they are done or said  " 

 

And this definitely doesn't just apply to politics but my point permeates all aspects of a democratic society

 

 

"Mommy he called me a name!"

 

"Well I'll call his mother and he'll be grounded!"

 

"Well that turned out well for me, I think I'll complain every time I don't like something instead of just standing up for myself and not being a baby."

 

 

Can you respond to my question, what country do you live in?

 

I want to understand the context to your views 

 

 

Where do you think I'm from? Clearly you've already geographically stereotyped me.

 

 

No, the funny thing is I am not  really like you at all. I don't make assumptions about groups of people unless they actually say or do something that warrants criticism. So where you live doesn't  automatically determine your views

 

But if you tell me where you live I can guarantee you I can give you examples of where comments and concepts have been retracted or changed outside of politics. This leads towards your point earlier where you basically said  " only in politics and not in the real world do people change what they say or do " 

Edited April 13, 2015 by BruceVC

[Luckmann]

[...] I don't make assumptions about groups of people [...]

Yes you do. Everyone does. All the time.

 

Just the fact that you are aware of it makes you even more likely to do it while conciously trying to avoid it. Not only is generalization an integral and necessary part of the psyche and basic instincts, but there's been studies that show that if you specifically tell people to avoid stereotyping, they stereotype harder.

 

So in your rainbow delusion, you're probably worse than most that doesn't care.

[Mungri]

Again guys, everyone here should be glad that this forum and its mods are nowhere close to as .... [insert whatever horrid words that I cant even describe here] ... this:

 

http://i.imgur.com/iyiBmIS.png

 

Mods there are actually publicly lying and defaming users to defend their actions.

Edited April 13, 2015 by Mungri

[PrimeJunta]

I don't make assumptions about groups of people

 

Nonsense. Everybody does. The trick is (1) attempting to be aware of making those assumptions and (2) being able to set them aside when they're pointed out to you.

 

Human cognition is based on categorization and generalization. It's just the way we tick. It's how we deal with the resulting biases that count.

[FaustianEchoes]

Path of Exile sucks

[BruceVC]

 

[...] I don't make assumptions about groups of people [...]

Yes you do. Everyone does. All the time.

 

Just the fact that you are aware of it makes you even more likely to do it while conciously trying to avoid it. Not only is generalization an integral and necessary part of the psyche and basic instincts, but there's been studies that show that if you specifically tell people to avoid stereotyping, they stereotype harder.

 

So in your rainbow delusion, you're probably worse than most that doesn't care.

 

 

Sure buts lets not over-analyze what I said and nitpick

 

I don't say things like " all Russians are homophobic " despite homophobic laws being passed in Russia  or I wouldn't say " all Americans are arrogant warmongers " despite America under Bush being very militant around foreign policy 

 

So maybe you can give me examples of where I have "been making assumptions about groups of people " ?

 

I respond directly to what people say or how they act 

Edited April 13, 2015 by BruceVC

[BruceVC]

 

I don't make assumptions about groups of people

 

Nonsense. Everybody does. The trick is (1) attempting to be aware of making those assumptions and (2) being able to set them aside when they're pointed out to you.

 

Human cognition is based on categorization and generalization. It's just the way we tick. It's how we deal with the resulting biases that count.

 

 

Once again give me examples of where I have made assumptions of groups of people ?

[FaustianEchoes]

 

 

I don't make assumptions about groups of people

 

Nonsense. Everybody does. The trick is (1) attempting to be aware of making those assumptions and (2) being able to set them aside when they're pointed out to you.

 

Human cognition is based on categorization and generalization. It's just the way we tick. It's how we deal with the resulting biases that count.

 

 

Once again give me examples of where I have made assumptions of groups of people ?

 

Your reading comprehension leaves a lot to be desired. Try reading it again. If you want I can help you.

[BruceVC]

 

 

 

I don't make assumptions about groups of people

 

Nonsense. Everybody does. The trick is (1) attempting to be aware of making those assumptions and (2) being able to set them aside when they're pointed out to you.

 

Human cognition is based on categorization and generalization. It's just the way we tick. It's how we deal with the resulting biases that count.

 

 

Once again give me examples of where I have made assumptions of groups of people ?

 

Your reading comprehension leaves a lot to be desired. Try reading it again. If you want I can help you.

 

Please do, I clearly need help 

[Serdan]

Sorry to burst your bubble, but that is not how the world works. That's how politics works. In the real world, you will be hurt and offended. You either deal with it, or you cry to mommy and have mommy do something about it. You're a victim, and you teach others how to be victims. You should be teaching people how to deal with the real world. I'm under the impression that the internet, social media, and message boards is as real as your world gets. In which case, I can see how you'd think crying to someone to get what you want is the best course. You know who else does that? Babies.

 

You heard it here first! Politics aren't part of the real world!

 

I guess the homosexuals in Indiana have nothing to worry about then.

[Lmaoboat]

Path of Exile sucks

It has a lot of really interesting mechanics, but the actual gameplay is so meh that it just doesn't carry the game until you get far enough to mess around with interesting builds and items. 

[FaustianEchoes]

 

Path of Exile sucks

It has a lot of really interesting mechanics, but the actual gameplay is so meh that it just doesn't carry the game until you get far enough to mess around with interesting builds and items. 

 

Ain't nobody got time fo dat

[jools1980]

All "serious" and "deep" (or "derp": it's up to you) discussions aside, (free speech, censorship, heterophobia, god, God, free will, specism, whatever), the memory of Firedorn has been (forever) engraved in cybernetic-stone, at some dark corner of the internet.

 

"Late to the Party" Edit - in reply to the OP's poll, no, discussion should not be censored. It's not that big of an issue really, nor should it be made one.

Edited April 13, 2015 by jools1980

[Psychevore]

Pick your battles.

 

It's not like a vital part of the game was removed. We're talking about something most of us would never have even seen were it not for the controversy.

 

Now if 'they' had attacked the game because Watchers are invading people's privacy and demanding change, then we'd have something to get upset about. But this? Not worth your time to get upset over, just like the guy who made poem didn't get upset about changing it.

Edited April 13, 2015 by Psychevore