Myrten Posted April 4, 2015 Share Posted April 4, 2015 (edited) Thinking about classes for my next playthrough I've come with an idea of using rogue as a tank (because of his riposte ability) and armor with Retaliation property. I've console created it in final dungeon, tested it a bit and it's working quite well - together with healing on my weapon my enemies not only kill themselves, but also heal my tank :D On the downside - it takes a bit if they have high DR. What's even more funny - every retaliation hit triggers deep wounds What do you think about this? Edited April 4, 2015 by Myrten 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaosbroker Posted April 4, 2015 Share Posted April 4, 2015 I actually had a similar idea going through the classes trying to theorycraft a bunch of different builds. The thing that put me off the idea is that your early game is going to be a nightmare since you lack a lot of the abilities to make it work till at least level 7, along with the fact that it requires the right gear more than the traditional tanks. You could always of course leave a rogue on the sidelines and sub hum in once he reaches that level though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatred Posted April 4, 2015 Share Posted April 4, 2015 Things like this make me wish the XP wasn't so broken. It looks like a cool idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Infares Posted April 4, 2015 Share Posted April 4, 2015 Things like this make me wish the XP wasn't so broken. It looks like a cool idea. How is xp broken? You mean the xp differential you're supposed to get for having fewer than 6 party members? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parsong Posted April 4, 2015 Share Posted April 4, 2015 Do the three retaliation items stack? There is also a retaliation shield/cape. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fimconte Posted April 4, 2015 Share Posted April 4, 2015 Retaliation items don't stack, at least with Sanguin+Hiro's, one gets 'suppressed'. Hiro's is also obtainable quite early.It's also not mentioned, but deep wounds does damage on reapply.Has anyone tested if Vulnerable Attack is applied on Riposte full attack (don't see why it shouldn't). The problem I can see is that you need to be actually hit for Retaliate to work, while Riposte works on miss. With High deflect, you're not going to get a lot of Retaliates. I actually had a similar idea going through the classes trying to theorycraft a bunch of different builds. The thing that put me off the idea is that your early game is going to be a nightmare since you lack a lot of the abilities to make it work till at least level 7, along with the fact that it requires the right gear more than the traditional tanks. You could always of course leave a rogue on the sidelines and sub hum in once he reaches that level though. It should be fine, you're can just pick up normal dps talents early game and play it like a standard dps rogue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Myrten Posted April 4, 2015 Author Share Posted April 4, 2015 Retaliation items don't stack, at least with Sanguin+Hiro's, one gets 'suppressed'. Hiro's is also obtainable quite early. It's also not mentioned, but deep wounds does damage on reapply. Has anyone tested if Vulnerable Attack is applied on Riposte full attack (don't see why it shouldn't). The problem I can see is that you need to be actually hit for Retaliate to work, while Riposte works on miss. With High deflect, you're not going to get a lot of Retaliates. I actually had a similar idea going through the classes trying to theorycraft a bunch of different builds. The thing that put me off the idea is that your early game is going to be a nightmare since you lack a lot of the abilities to make it work till at least level 7, along with the fact that it requires the right gear more than the traditional tanks. You could always of course leave a rogue on the sidelines and sub hum in once he reaches that level though.It should be fine, you're can just pick up normal dps talents early game and play it like a standard dps rogue. Can you give me a hint where Hiro is ? Vulnerable attack is applied on riposte, I've checked that. Retaliate works on hit,graze,crit and Riposte works on miss so everything is covered 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smorensky Posted April 4, 2015 Share Posted April 4, 2015 Hmm, looks like an interesting build might try it out "We must all fear evil men. But there is a kind of evil we must fear most and that is the indifference of good men!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MadDemiurg Posted April 4, 2015 Share Posted April 4, 2015 (edited) Has anyone tried retaliation on a Cipher? It looks like it might generate focus, especially with draining whip. Should be pretty fun alternative build. Edited April 4, 2015 by MadDemiurg 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I am Catharsis Posted April 4, 2015 Share Posted April 4, 2015 Tested and approved for Rogue. By maxing the Deviation and getting enough Endurance to handle a long fight, this is currently one of the best build and especially of you're solo. You have to know that Retaliation also procs when your character is cc'ed (on the ground to exaple). Extremely good skill (probably one of the best). How to beat the last boss Solo with a Rogue (PotD) How to beat the last boss Solo with a Paladin (PotD) New!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sleazebag Posted April 4, 2015 Share Posted April 4, 2015 Have you tried a retaliation monk? If so, how does this build compare to that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MadDemiurg Posted April 4, 2015 Share Posted April 4, 2015 (edited) Ok, it works with cipher focus. Might be the most broken thing ever. Rolling a cipher tank now. Edited April 4, 2015 by MadDemiurg 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smorensky Posted April 4, 2015 Share Posted April 4, 2015 Hmm, the better question would be, how well does this compare to the fire godlike retal barb? As far as retal goes Barbs are monsters in that department. Anyone tested it out yet? "We must all fear evil men. But there is a kind of evil we must fear most and that is the indifference of good men!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MadDemiurg Posted April 4, 2015 Share Posted April 4, 2015 If you use One Stands alone on fire retaliation barb it's completely broken. It's definitely bugged though. I still believe cipher is more broken at high level, because his level 6 spells are nuts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cameron9428 Posted April 4, 2015 Share Posted April 4, 2015 There are also several weapons that provide +50% burn damage, making fire retaliation even more ridiculous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dongom Posted April 4, 2015 Share Posted April 4, 2015 There are also several weapons that provide +50% burn damage, making fire retaliation even more ridiculous. which weapon does that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Akimbo Posted April 4, 2015 Share Posted April 4, 2015 Retaliation items don't stack, at least with Sanguin+Hiro's, one gets 'suppressed'. Hiro's is also obtainable quite early. Interested in this build, I found out what the Sanguine armour is, could someone explain what/where "Hiro's" is please? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Infares Posted April 4, 2015 Share Posted April 4, 2015 The mental image of the carnage that would unfold with a Fire Godlike Cipher Tank is hilarious. His dps would still be phenomenal compared to most tanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lasci Posted April 4, 2015 Share Posted April 4, 2015 (edited) I tested this a while ago and it absolutely works. It feels a bit gimmicky, but it works. I went with a two-hander rogue. Combined with the Cipher's Pain Block, it works very well. Any time you're attacked, you get to retaliate with the armor and riposte -- it's kinda insane. It works equally for a barbarian because they're meant to get in there and take damage. Where are the retaliation items found, though? Edited April 4, 2015 by Lasci Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xionanx Posted April 4, 2015 Share Posted April 4, 2015 I have been looking for a good Solo build for PoTD triple crown.. I tried a straight barb, but maybe this will work.. However, like others i need to know WHERE to get these supposedly easily obtainable retaliation items.. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dongom Posted April 4, 2015 Share Posted April 4, 2015 What would be a nice stat spread for a retal barb, I'm sure it has to be a bit more tankier than regular builds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Infares Posted April 4, 2015 Share Posted April 4, 2015 What would be a nice stat spread for a retal barb, I'm sure it has to be a bit more tankier than regular builds. http://forums.obsidian.net/topic/74074-my-fire-barbarian-tankish-build/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boon Posted April 4, 2015 Share Posted April 4, 2015 Had the retal armor on a hired barb my first time through the game. Maxed Might/Con/Int and she topped my party's damage by A TON. The barb passives/high con/stalwart defiance heal thing, allowed her to tank and top damage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Myrten Posted April 4, 2015 Author Share Posted April 4, 2015 Problem with fire godlike builds is that your endurance has to drop below 50%, with this one you are almost always at 100% health as draining weapon heals you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dongom Posted April 5, 2015 Share Posted April 5, 2015 Had the retal armor on a hired barb my first time through the game. Maxed Might/Con/Int and she topped my party's damage by A TON. The barb passives/high con/stalwart defiance heal thing, allowed her to tank and top damage. Was he fire godlike? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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