Ted Cruz: The Comedy Gold that Keeps on Giving

[ktchong]

A Canadian will be running in the next US presidential primaries.  Hilarity ensues.

 

Edited March 28, 2015 by ktchong

[HoonDing]

I thought he was Cuban.

[ShadySands]

Cuban father, American mother, born in Canadia. I don't even care but do I hope all the birthers come out against him for being what they accused Obama of being.

 

Yes, a Muslim

[Valsuelm]

Cuban father, American mother, born in Canadia. I don't even care but do I hope all the birthers come out against him for being what they accused Obama of being.

 

Yes, a Muslim

He's a self hating Muslim for sure.

[Guard Dog]

Admit it, you will all be so disappointed when he doesn't get nominated.

 

The sad thing is if he gets nominated and the democrats run another condescending, heavy handed, freedom hating, constitution mocking, Obama clone I'm voting for Cruz. There is not a single democrat on the national stage I'd cast a vote for right now. But if they run someone who doesn't meet my description above, then I'll likely vote for the Libertarian candidate.

 

The thing is, I don't vote FOR republicans. I vote AGAINST democrats.

[Blarghagh]

EDIT: Nevermind, I'm not going to get into the mockery of the democratic process that US politics has become.

Edited March 28, 2015 by TrueNeutral

[Valsuelm]

The thing is, I don't vote FOR republicans. I vote AGAINST democrats.

 

This is how most people vote. This is major reason why we have the **** we currently have.

 

Continuously voting for the 'lesser of two evils' continuously gets you evil. Voting in that manner puts your rubber stamp of approval on the process and for whatever candidate you vote for. You contribute to perpetuating the evil.

 

EDIT: Nevermind, I'm not going to get into the mockery of the democratic process that US politics has become.

 

As messed up as the U.S. system currently is, I'll take it any day over any of the Parliamentary systems most of the other 'democracies' out there have.

 

'Democracy' in the modern world is for the most part a bad joke. The illusion of choice is what the situation is almost everywhere. And that said, as a whole nations get the leaders they deserve.

 

'If voting changed anything they'd make it illegal' sadly applies in most nations these days at the national level, including my own.

Edited March 28, 2015 by Valsuelm

[Guard Dog]

Val, the truth is a candidate that people like you & I would be enthusiastic about would have no chance of getting elected. The US might be shifting a small amount towards favoring a more libertarian political philosophy because of the excesses of the last 17+ years but folks are far from buying into a real libertarian government. Too many, far too many Americans want the government to be their mommy & daddy and take care of them. They don't pay attention to what the government is doing to them so they don't make informed decisions in the voting booth. A quote attributed to George Washington spells it out perfectly "Government is not reason, it is not eloquence. It is force. Like fire it is a dangerous servant and a fearful master, never for a moment should it be left to irresponsible action."    

[Guard Dog]

Oh and ktchong, I object to the inclusion of the libertarian tag on this post. This dude is no libertarian.

[ShadySands]

I can pretty much guarantee that I will be voting 3rd party next year

[Hurlshort]

We could try and stage a true grassroots movement where we all push for a 3rd party candidate, but that would require:

 

1.  Everyone agreeing one one person to back

2.  Convincing enough people to abandon the party lines.

 

edit:  In essence, we need someone who has widespread popularity and is able to bridge differences.

Edited March 28, 2015 by Hurlshot

[Guard Dog]

Supporting a 3rd party for it's own sake it all well and good. But it's not about finding the right candidate, it's if you can get behind what the right candidate is all about. I know the US Green Party gets a lot of love on these boards but I'm sure you guys can see why you will never get me to support or vote for something like that.

[PK htiw klaw eriF]

Supporting a 3rd party for it's own sake it all well and good. But it's not about finding the right candidate, it's if you can get behind what the right candidate is all about. I know the US Green Party gets a lot of love on these boards but I'm sure you guys can see why you will never get me to support or vote for something like that.

We all know you only vote for the Communist Party USA, GD.

[Guard Dog]

 

Supporting a 3rd party for it's own sake it all well and good. But it's not about finding the right candidate, it's if you can get behind what the right candidate is all about. I know the US Green Party gets a lot of love on these boards but I'm sure you guys can see why you will never get me to support or vote for something like that.

We all know you only vote for the Communist Party USA, GD.

 

[Hurlshort]

Supporting a 3rd party for it's own sake it all well and good. But it's not about finding the right candidate, it's if you can get behind what the right candidate is all about. I know the US Green Party gets a lot of love on these boards but I'm sure you guys can see why you will never get me to support or vote for something like that.

 

I don't think you have much of a green party base here anymore, especially since the always vocal Krezack is gone.  I know I put up some Ralph Nader stuff in a thread recently, but I would hardly call myself a Green Party guy.  

[Valsuelm]

Val, the truth is a candidate that people like you & I would be enthusiastic about would have no chance of getting elected. The US might be shifting a small amount towards favoring a more libertarian political philosophy because of the excesses of the last 17+ years but folks are far from buying into a real libertarian government. Too many, far too many Americans want the government to be their mommy & daddy and take care of them. They don't pay attention to what the government is doing to them so they don't make informed decisions in the voting booth. A quote attributed to George Washington spells it out perfectly "Government is not reason, it is not eloquence. It is force. Like fire it is a dangerous servant and a fearful master, never for a moment should it be left to irresponsible action."    

 

Ron Paul is the only candidate on the national scene in my lifetime that actually deserved my vote. Unfortunately I think he misread the last election. He should have run as an independent after losing the primary. Unlike previous elections, the landscape was ripe for him. Would he have won? Unlikely I think, but possibly. He certainly would have made a larger positive impact on the nation if he had, and even better exposed the fraud and corruption of the Presidential election process and most of the media that covers it. Sadly, I think he bowed out as to help his son's chances in the future. Problem is, Rand is not his dad in many ways, and just about all of them are for the worse.

 

Alas. I do not foresee another candidate that deserves my vote any time soon. There certainly isn't one currently on the national scene that's looking like they may run for President. The current field is all bad to demonically heinous.

 

You are right in that a major problem is that too many people in our nation are happy to suck on the government teet. Most Americans are socialists at this point, and don't even realize it. It certainly helps when the school system we have by and large trains them to be by selling things like the New Deal, Great Society, World War 2, and so on, like they are and were all actually good things. Cracking that ingrained 'education' is a challenge. But that's just part of the situation. Also, the way the system works now is that even if you oppose it on fundamental grounds it's very hard to not have to engage in some of that socialism (downright illegal now given the 'Obamacare' ruling, and of course there's been the IRS situation for a long time now).

 

Insofar as voting. As I stated previously in another thread, voting for 'the lesser of two evils' is worse than not voting. Far worse. It's one of the major things that's perpetuating the evil insanity that's sucking the U.S. into hell.

 

Solution? Well... that's complex. Part of the problem is that most people don't have the attention span to deal with or think complex. Trained with sound bits, short news blurbs, etc they have been, and this is getting worse all the time now with the twitter/facebook/text messaging generation.

 

In short though: Do one's best to wake people up. As you stated, most people are completely unaware of what the government is doing to them. Even of the people who half or more pay attention a majority of them are naive of the history, why, and how we got where we are. Without that knowledge fixing it just about impossible without some kind of miracle, the kind of which there is none in all of recorded history, so I certainly wouldn't count on it.

 

One thing that would go a long way to fixing the voting situation is a 'none of the above' on all ballots. That way those of us who are engaged in the political process as well as pay attention, can send a message. That's a message that the current powers that be do not want to be heard though. They need to keep that illusion of choice and that 'democracy' is working going. The evidence is overwhelming that it doesn't work (the system was hijacked long ago, and most don't realize it.), and that whole voting for the lesser of two evils is a huge reason why.

 

Bah.. .I could go on and on about this.

 

Oh.. and as for the Green Party. I like Nadar as a person and for his consumer advocacy. As a Presidential candidate? No. Hell no. He's basically a commie, and the Green Party's platform is largely naive of international affairs (as well as Marxist in many ways). He'd never have gotten my vote for President. Nor would any of it's other candidates. Might I vote for them for a local or non-executive national office? Possibly. In my state the Green Party hasn't even fielded a candidate worth more than rat manure though.

Edited March 29, 2015 by Valsuelm

[Meshugger]

Ralph Nader was along with Ron Paul the biggest proponent of letting the banks fail back in 2008, so credit where credits is due. Speaking of Paul, how can you not like a candidate with ads like these?

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MXCZVmQ74OA

[Valsuelm]

I somehow missed that ad before (I'm generally not one to watch them so it's not surprising).

 

That's probably the best Presidential election ad I've ever seen.

[Oerwinde]

I somehow missed that ad before (I'm generally not one to watch them so it's not surprising).

 

That's probably the best Presidential election ad I've ever seen.

I suddenly have an urge to buy a truck though...

[ktchong]

I would never vote for Ron Paul. 

 

He has many ideas that I like.  The main ones being his "Prime Directive" non-interference stance on foreign policy.  And we need to stop giving money to Israel, Egypt and other foreign nations.  Overall, I like his stance on foreign policy.

 

However, He has some ideas that I really do not like.  Those are the "big ones" - the major ones - for me.  He opposes and wants to repel Civil Right Act, (which I understand most white people - who make up most of his fan base - could care less; but it is obviously a deal-breaker for most any non-white and minority voters.)   He is also obsessed with enforcing his religion on everyone - regardless they are Christian or not: he opposes the separation of church and state, he does not believe in evolution, and he made it clear that his aim was to repel Roe vs. Wade (i.e., the anti-abortion "pro-life" movement is really just a Christian fundamentalist thing.)

 

Most of all, I do not like the cult-like herd mentality of his fanboys.  I already see a few in here.  I'm gonna promptly put them on ignore/block/whatever as soon as I'm done with this post - I am just so sick and tired of them so I would not even bother. Ron Paul is really a niche appeal.  He has a small but significant cult of very hardcore supporters, who go around and troll people who disagree with Ron Paul on anything.  Outside that little cult, he has very little support, which is why he had never made it past the GOP primary, and why he would never have won the presidential race even if he had made it past a GOP primary.

 

Anyway, Ron Paul is already irrelevant.  His time has passed.  He will never run for President again, (and good riddance to that.)  His son will be running. He is not gonna jump into the race and run against his son.

Edited March 31, 2015 by ktchong

[Guard Dog]

 

Most of all, I do not like the cult-like herd mentality of his fanboys.  I already see a few in here.  I'm gonna promptly put them on ignore/block/whatever as soon as I'm done with this post -

 

There you go. Dissenting opinions will not be tolerated. And since you can't block selectively you are not interested in anything said by anyone on any topic if you don't agree with their politics. Good job.

Edited March 31, 2015 by Guard Dog

[Valsuelm]

 

 

Most of all, I do not like the cult-like herd mentality of his fanboys.  I already see a few in here.  I'm gonna promptly put them on ignore/block/whatever as soon as I'm done with this post -

 

There you go. Dissenting opinions will not be tolerated. And since you can't block selectively you are not interested in anything said by anyone on any topic if you don't agree with their politics. Good job.

 

 

He may never see this, since he 'promptly put them on ignore/block/whatever' (where them = Ron Paul fanboys). Considering I've never seen a Ron Paul fanboy on this forum, I imagine he must be talking about yourself, myself, and the few other folks who ever said they liked Ron as a candidate on this forum. Apparently liking someone as a candidate makes you a fanboy in his mind.

 

I wouldn't sweat it, as his is a very misinformed and deluded mind. Most troll minds are.

Edited March 31, 2015 by Valsuelm

[Meshugger]

 

Anyway, Ron Paul is already irrelevant.  His time has passed.  He will never run for President again, (and good riddance to that.)  His son will be running. He is not gonna jump into the race and run against his son.

 

Dude, the guy was not a politican, he was a man on a mission and with a message that is old as the idea of enlightment itself. Let's just go back a few years, shall we?

 

[Valsuelm]

Barry was before my time. But hes probably the only man of any prominence in politics after World War 2 that might have my vote for President.

Edited March 31, 2015 by Valsuelm

[Namutree]

Ted Cruz will not be the republican candidate in 2016.

 

That's a good thing.

Edited March 31, 2015 by Namutree