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http://www.latimes.com/science/sciencenow/la-sci-sn-eat-less-more-obesity-20150212-story.html

 

 

 

"We all want a fix for obesity, a cure for it," Ochner said. But "eat less, move more" is not it, he said. 

 

Welp, like the great philosopher of our time, Homer, said: "Trying is the first step to failure."

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5kg? That's how you debunk this? Pal, I lose 5kg taking a dump.

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I lost 30 pounds through diet and exercise. It's quite difficult to stay with it, particularly if you have a demanding job and/or studies, but it can be done.

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Maybe we shouldn't call fit people "normal" anymore, thanks to this study. Maybe they should "Massly challenged" or with the medical term "Chronic mass deficiancy disorder". But also please remember that we must not judge.

 

As a normal guy, i hereby come out of the fit closet. Please be nice.

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"I dream things that never were and say why not?"
- George Bernard Shaw

"Hope in reality is the worst of all evils because it prolongs the torments of man."
- Friedrich Nietzsche

 

"The amount of energy necessary to refute bull**** is an order of magnitude bigger than to produce it."

- Some guy 

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Maybe we shouldn't call fit people "normal" anymore, thanks to this study. Maybe they should "Massly challenged" or with the medical term "Chronic mass deficiancy disorder". But also please remember that we must not judge.

 

As a normal guy, i hereby come out of the fit closet. Please be nice.

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"To be fair, if I was married to Milla Jovovich, I would also be happy just making movies that show off her butt." - Hurlsnot

"I originally just wanted to ignore this, but I can't sleep, so why not." - majestic

"I murdered my entire family as well as the police and priests investigating me for murdering my entire family in the name of Satan. Good times." - Bartimaeus

"I will undoubtedly cave and buy this since Nintendo has me by the balls with Shin Megami Tensei V." - Keyrock

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Haha, now that's a comeback, KaineParker. Gave me a good laugh.

 

Okay, so I was obviously exaggerating but some days I'm 2-3 kg lighter or heavier than I was the day before without having done anything different. I'd hate to mess with peoples hard work, but 5 kg is kinda peanuts as far as I'm concerned. I'm a skinny guy, though, so hey, maybe that just goes to prove the idea that fat just gets stamped on your DNA and it gets harder to lose it?

 

Now my ladyfriend lost over 20 kg pretty quickly by changing her diet. She was diagnosed with irritable bowel syndrome and dropped milk, gluten, onions, alchohol and a couple of other things that triggered it and about one and a half year later she's stable at almost 25 kg less. On the other hand, it's made cooking so boring!

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Yeah, changing your diet like that can show a huge change. I had to work out twice a day and keep most of my meals healthy to drop about half that in 6 months.

"To be fair, if I was married to Milla Jovovich, I would also be happy just making movies that show off her butt." - Hurlsnot

"I originally just wanted to ignore this, but I can't sleep, so why not." - majestic

"I murdered my entire family as well as the police and priests investigating me for murdering my entire family in the name of Satan. Good times." - Bartimaeus

"I will undoubtedly cave and buy this since Nintendo has me by the balls with Shin Megami Tensei V." - Keyrock

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Considering these "experts" mention surgery, I'm going to guess they aren't generally talking about people who need to lose 10-20 pounds. More like 60-100+ and at that point for a few to several years at least, with several serious failed attempts to lose. I highly doubt any ethical doc. is going to recommend something major like gastric bypass surgery as the only way to get/keep the weight off to someone who wants to lose a minimal amount of weight.

 

While it may be true there is some kind of cellular or hormonal or whatever memory that makes it harder to take weight off once you've gained it, the main thing for most non-morbidly obese is actually sticking to diet/exercise changes forever. Forever can be a scary word to some. Drinking Slim-Fast and eating Jenny Craig  isn't exactly something most people should/are going to stick with, but many keep doing those things vs. real changes, because they're not actually committed to changing lifestyle habits forever. They just want to look good this summer.

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I'm going to be a bit of a scold here and point out that the article doesn't come across half so bad if you haven't been primed to interpret it as such by the headline and the OP's out-of-context summation quote. Ochner acknowledges in the article that patient behavioral modification is a necessary part of the process and most of his criticism is actually about best clinician practices rather than what patients should be doing at home. And within that context he's on point--some medical professionals are unfortunately far too quick to declare that they led the horse to water but that they just wouldn't drink. Which, is too bad, because sometimes that "horse" actually has a pretty serious endocrine condition. :p

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Sounds to me like "research" made by people overly concerned with not insulting other peoples feelings.

 

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Sounds to me like "research" made by people overly concerned with not insulting other peoples feelings.

 

Why take responsibility for something if you don't have to?

 Perhaps. I'd wager the researchers are pushing pills, surgery, or something else that can make them (and/or whomever funded the study) $$$ though.

 

Exercise and a good diet indeed does work for the vast majority of folks out there who actually do stick to a good regimen of both.

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Sounds to me like "research" made by people overly concerned with not insulting other peoples feelings.

 

Why take responsibility for something if you don't have to?

 Perhaps. I'd wager the researchers are pushing pills, surgery, or something else that can make them (and/or whomever funded the study) $$$ though.

 

Exercise and a good diet indeed does work for the vast majority of folks out there who actually do stick to a good regimen of both.

 

 

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"I dream things that never were and say why not?"
- George Bernard Shaw

"Hope in reality is the worst of all evils because it prolongs the torments of man."
- Friedrich Nietzsche

 

"The amount of energy necessary to refute bull**** is an order of magnitude bigger than to produce it."

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This guy speaks the truth! For guaranteed weight loss success Dr. Woldan recommends to take fat burning to the next level. The literal level. 

 

With a flame thrower? :o

 

 

Lava baths and lotions. 

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Sounds to me like "research" made by people overly concerned with not insulting other peoples feelings.

 

Why take responsibility for something if you don't have to?

 Perhaps. I'd wager the researchers are pushing pills, surgery, or something else that can make them (and/or whomever funded the study) $$$ though.

 

Exercise and a good diet indeed does work for the vast majority of folks out there who actually do stick to a good regimen of both.

 

 

Or they define obesity as some kind of obscure medical factor rather than "pudgy due to inactivity". 

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There has been this weird backlash going on against fit people lately though, like that mom who had the no excuses campaign. The whole fat shaming thing makes no sense to me. If you see someone super fit and you feel bad about it, that is your conscience working correctly.

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There has been this weird backlash going on against fit people lately though, like that mom who had the no excuses campaign. The whole fat shaming thing makes no sense to me. If you see someone super fit and you feel bad about it, that is your conscience working correctly.

 

On the contrary, it just means that they haven't accepted Satan as their lord and saviour yet. The process simple:

 

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"I dream things that never were and say why not?"
- George Bernard Shaw

"Hope in reality is the worst of all evils because it prolongs the torments of man."
- Friedrich Nietzsche

 

"The amount of energy necessary to refute bull**** is an order of magnitude bigger than to produce it."

- Some guy 

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I think you fitters should check your privilege. Stop fat shaming, you reactionary bigots.

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"I originally just wanted to ignore this, but I can't sleep, so why not." - majestic

"I murdered my entire family as well as the police and priests investigating me for murdering my entire family in the name of Satan. Good times." - Bartimaeus

"I will undoubtedly cave and buy this since Nintendo has me by the balls with Shin Megami Tensei V." - Keyrock

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There has been this weird backlash going on against fit people lately though, like that mom who had the no excuses campaign. The whole fat shaming thing makes no sense to me. If you see someone super fit and you feel bad about it, that is your conscience working correctly.

 

I don't know if that's really "working correctly" because "feeling bad about it" can take so many forms. I highly doubt a person whose psychological response to seeing a fit person is "you'll never look like that, go die in a hole you fat pig" is going to be motivating, let alone the "correct response".

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There has been this weird backlash going on against fit people lately though, like that mom who had the no excuses campaign. The whole fat shaming thing makes no sense to me. If you see someone super fit and you feel bad about it, that is your conscience working correctly.

 

I know, right? It's terrible. The other day I was walking down the street when some overweight person started poking me in the ribs and started making healthy person jibes.

 

And the worst thing was, he was only slightly overweight! I bet he was almost as healthy and fit as me. :(

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