11 people killed at a French satirical Newspaper

[Woldan]

Maybe his head din't blow up due to the ammunition ? My understanding was that grievous wounds on unarmoured people result from hollow points, fully jacketed rounds just punch through (proves a minor problem, thank you Black Hawk Down). Does strike the concrete.

 

Full metal jacket ammunition can have very explosive effects if its a rifle round, at velocities in excess of 700 meters a second bullets will yaw and tear apart even though they're technically not expanding ammunition.  I've read books about German snipers in WWII, they photographed the enemies they killed, oftentimes their head was almost completely blown apart. The ammunition used was FMJ rifle ammunition. FMJ rifle ammunition does not make wound channels like a lazer beam, and thats especially true when bone is struck. 

 

 

As far as I know the terrorists used AK47s in 7.62x39, an intermediate rifle round. Those are not know to be extremely explosive but they can be. 

Edited January 13, 2015 by Woldan

[Orogun01]

But this shot was point blank.

[Woldan]

What amazes me is the accuracy, the guy is not aiming at all and hits a moving head while running. Conspiracy or not, thats hard to do even at very close ranges like this. Anyone who disagrees should try running and shooting without aiming. 

 

About the terminal ballistics of typical head shot wounds from rifles, I could post pictures but that would certainly be against the forum rules.  Just use google picture search: ''Nuevo Laredo Mexican Drug Cartel Gun Battle'' Be advised, its really not for the faint of heart but shows what it looks like when a 7.62x39 and .223 hits a human skull. 

Edited January 14, 2015 by Woldan

[Azdeus]

What amazes me is the accuracy, the guy is not aiming at all and hits a moving head while running. Conspiracy or not, thats hard to do even at very close ranges like this. Anyone who disagrees should try running and shooting without aiming. 

 

About the terminal ballistics of typical head shot wounds from rifles, I could post pictures but that would certainly be against the forum rules.  Just use google picture search: ''Nuevo Laredo Mexican Drug Cartel Gun Battle'' Be advised, its really not for the faint of heart but shows what it looks like when a 7.62x39 and .223 hits a human skull. 

 

Well, he might've glanced down enough to confirm a hit and not having to shoot again. I've read people say their marksmanship skills were quite high and they were diciplined. From the video he might've shot above the officers head, but he's tracking the head pretty spot on and the camera does'nt linger long enough to see if any blood starts pooling.

Another thing the conspiracy nutter says is that the head would rock if it was shot; Not necessarilly. The officer clearly had tention in his neckmuscles before the shot.

 

Also, he might've not had a clean headshot, he might've hit the base of the skull, neck or spine.

 

About those mexican cartel images, we don't know what they might've hit first, if it was ball, or hp bullets and such. Pretty damn gruesome though, as you say.

[Tsuga C]

Well, lets assume for a moment that this is just the beginning.

This is a reasonably safe assumption, given that gutlessness is the rule of the day in the West.

[Woldan]

Well, he might've glanced down enough to confirm a hit and not having to shoot again. I've read people say their marksmanship skills were quite high and they were diciplined. From the video he might've shot above the officers head, but he's tracking the head pretty spot on and the camera does'nt linger long enough to see if any blood starts pooling. Also, he might've not had a clean headshot, he might've hit the base of the skull, neck or spine.

I agree.

Another thing the conspiracy nutter says is that the head would rock if it was shot; Not necessarilly. The officer clearly had tention in his neckmuscles before the shot.

I disagree with that nutter, as can be seen in the video the bullet exits the target and hits the concrete with force, so it did not shed nearly all of its energy in the target, which isn't that much with a 7.62x39. Its like shooting bowling pins, even with a high powered rifle they barely tip over at best while the bullet just zings through them.

About those mexican cartel images, we don't know what they might've hit first, if it was ball, or hp bullets and such. Pretty damn gruesome though, as you say.

In one of the pics, right next to the guy who received a head shot are some recovered projectiles, with one that hit something sideways and got its lead core squished out at its open bottom. If a bullet has an open bottom it cannot be a HP or soft point. Only FMJ's have open bottoms with exposed lead cores. The recovered bullets look like regular FMJ but its indeed hard to be certain without having really clear pics.

 

I do not believe in any of those conspiracy theories though, those are just my observations.

Edited January 14, 2015 by Woldan

[HoonDing]

Maybe he just activated bullet time.

[sorophx]

what about that cloud of dust near the cop's head? bullet couldn't have ricocheted there after hitting the guy in the head. I believe that was a clear miss

[Azdeus]

Looks to me like the dust comes from just underneath the policemans head, so either it's from the bullet digging into the ground or dust from the pavement agitated by the gas expelled from the gun.

[BruceVC]

 

Well, lets assume for a moment that this is just the beginning.

This is a reasonably safe assumption, given that gutlessness is the rule of the day in the West.

 

 

I read this link and its very worrying

 

But its also 4 years old, I know there have been attempts in parts of the UK to turn areas into some sort of " Sharia law zone " but these attempts have always been criticised and dismissed by UK authorities. So I doubt this article is really accurate ?

[Orogun01]

 

 

Well, lets assume for a moment that this is just the beginning.

This is a reasonably safe assumption, given that gutlessness is the rule of the day in the West.

 

 

I read this link and its very worrying

 

But its also 4 years old, I know there have been attempts in parts of the UK to turn areas into some sort of " Sharia law zone " but these attempts have always been criticised and dismissed by UK authorities. So I doubt this article is really accurate ?

 

http://dailycaller.com/2014/11/02/swedish-police-release-extensive-report-detailing-control-of-55-no-go-zones-by-muslim-criminal-gangs/

[BruceVC]

 

 

 

Well, lets assume for a moment that this is just the beginning.

This is a reasonably safe assumption, given that gutlessness is the rule of the day in the West.

 

 

I read this link and its very worrying

 

But its also 4 years old, I know there have been attempts in parts of the UK to turn areas into some sort of " Sharia law zone " but these attempts have always been criticised and dismissed by UK authorities. So I doubt this article is really accurate ?

 

http://dailycaller.com/2014/11/02/swedish-police-release-extensive-report-detailing-control-of-55-no-go-zones-by-muslim-criminal-gangs/

 

 

This is a very concerning article, it represents the worst possible outcome IMO for multiculturalism where you have a country that has " no-go " areas due to the influence of criminal gangs who happen to be immigrants who ostensibly came to the country looking for economic opportunities 

 

I would love someone from Sweden to comment on this article, is it really that bad as this article says ? Are there really these "no-go " areas ?

[Rostere]

Obviously it's not true that there are no-go areas, but there are of course areas where they police must be more careful when they are there.

 

Anyway, Sweden is the perfect country to get links like these from, because people get all worked up for every little problem. Of course that is a very good thing (or at least the sign of a very good thing).

 

Now if the Swedish police would have talked abut these areas to American police or South African police I bet they would have just laughed it off as being no problem at all.

 

I have walked through one of these areas (Husby) repeatedly at about 0300 dressed neatly and nothing has ever happened to me...

[IndiraLightfoot]

There are no ghettos in Sweden, and the police has never done such a thing in Sweden, nor has there been any need for it. The extreme right-wing organization, which this "Matt Danielsson" is linked to (it didn't take much of a deep search) is explicitly racist and islamophobic. He's one of many such fake political bloggers, trying to sneak in material to unsuspecting news agencies all over the world.

 

Rostere is absolutely right. I have lived in a few of them for several years. They are more peaceful than the London docks or the Hollywood hills, and with less drugs too.

Edited January 14, 2015 by IndiraLightfoot

[Meshugger]

Are all those stories about ambulances and firemen refusing to enter Rosengård and Rinkeby without police escort false?

Edited January 14, 2015 by Meshugger

[IndiraLightfoot]

Heh! Not all of them, but they sure have been blown out of proportion. Some rare incidents of rocks and twigs having been thrown at them. As a kid, we used to throw snowballs at big trucks and public buses. Once, it ended up in the newspapers the day after. I guess that made us kids terrorists. Just like that bus driver got freaked out over a kids prank, the Swedish firemen and ambulance drivers are easily rattled. We're talking about a country that hasn't been to war in over 200 years. For other people, me included, who have experienced such horrors, they do come across as a bit sissy and whiny.

 

EDIT: In Sweden, it's standard procedure for police to escort fire trucks and ambulances when there's something slightly bigger going on, like a fire.

 

EDIT 2: While areas like Husby, Rinkeby and Rosengård aren't ghettos, not even by a generous stretch of my imagination, they are still areas where relatively poorer people tend to live, and unsurprisingly many of the new Swedes are over-represented there. This means that the crime rate, unemployment, level of education, alcohol and drug abuse figures, etc, are higher there. They are, however, nothing, it's not even near, say, the shanty towns of South Africa or Brazil, or the horrific ghettos in Central Europe during WWII.

 

EDIT 3: I was actually wrong about the alcohol consumption. It turns out that this was true when I was young. Recent 21st-century figures show that it's lower in these areas, because spirits and such are expensive, and plenty of people abstain for religious reasons as well compared to more well-to-do folks in richer areas in the big cities of Sweden.

Edited January 14, 2015 by IndiraLightfoot

[BruceVC]

Obviously it's not true that there are no-go areas, but there are of course areas where they police must be more careful when they are there.

 

Anyway, Sweden is the perfect country to get links like these from, because people get all worked up for every little problem. Of course that is a very good thing (or at least the sign of a very good thing).

 

Now if the Swedish police would have talked abut these areas to American police or South African police I bet they would have just laughed it off as being no problem at all.

 

I have walked through one of these areas (Husby) repeatedly at about 0300 dressed neatly and nothing has ever happened to me...

 

Thats why I love these forums, we can often set the record straight. I did find the article hard to believe because in South Africa we have much more crime than Sweden and a  high homicide rate yet there is no such thing as a "no-go" area for authorities. Yes police have to be careful in some areas but thats not the same thing as criminal gangs running a particular area 

There are no ghettos in Sweden, and the police has never done such a thing in Sweden, nor has there been any need for it. The extreme right-wing organization, which this "Matt Danielsson" is linked to (it didn't take much of a deep search) is explicitly racist and islamophobic. He's one of many such fake political bloggers, trying to sneak in material to unsuspecting news agencies all over the world.

 

Rostere is absolutely right. I have lived in a few of them for several years. They are more peaceful than the London docks or the Hollywood hills, and with less drugs too.

 

Yes this whole article just seemed to paint a very harsh picture of Sweden and the impact and control that immigrants have. It did seem like right-wing propaganda. 

[Meshugger]

Heh! Not all of them, but they sure have been blown out of proportion. Some rare incidents of rocks and twigs having been thrown at them. As a kid, we used to throw snowballs at big trucks and public buses. Once, it ended up in the newspapers the day after. I guess that made us kids terrorists. Just like that bus driver got freaked out over a kids prank, the Swedish firemen and ambulance drivers are easily rattled. We're talking about a country that hasn't been to war in over 200 years. For other people, me included, who have experienced such horrors, they do come across as a bit sissy and whiny.

 

EDIT: In Sweden, it's standard procedure for police to escort fire trucks and ambulances when there's something slightly bigger going on, like a fire.

 

EDIT 2: While areas like Husby, Rinkeby and Rosengård aren't ghettos, not even by a generous stretch of my imagination, they are still areas where relatively poorer people tend to live, and unsurprisingly many of the new Swedes are over-represented there. This means that the crime rate, unemployment, level of education, alcohol and drug abuse figures, etc, are higher there. They are, however, nothing, it's not even near, say, the shanty towns of South Africa or Brazil, or the horrific ghettos in Central Europe during WWII.

 

EDIT 3: I was actually wrong about the alcohol consumption. It turns out that this was true when I was young. Recent 21st-century figures show that it's lower in these areas, because spirits and such are expensive, and plenty of people abstain for religious reasons as well compared to more well-to-do folks in richer areas in the big cities of Sweden.

 

Fair enough, but would you say that these areas in terms of development? Like would you recommend these places for swedish families to move to and have a calm and nice family life?

 

I was just wondering compared to the article that i linked earlier, where teachers in the Kouachi neighbourhood where threathened with their lives for suggesting a silent minute for the slaying of the journalists.

[Orogun01]

Good to know that the situation in it's not so grim, but I still think that massive immigration creates a big problem since there is no possible way to integrate that many people at an accelerated rate and it seems that they are just creating a bubble by depending on new immigrants to keep the economy afloat. Specially since every one has expenditures that in some cases outweigh the gains.

Since we have so many Swedes here do they mind answering a few questions?

 

Are feminist extremist a problem in Sweden?

 

Are you still allowed to pee standing up, spread you legs on public transportation, criticize feminism, criticize immigrants......(bunch of other stuff related to SJWs out of control)?

 

Is the reported rise in rapes related to feminism or immigration and have you observed (hopefully without personal damage) the effects of it?

 

I only ask these questions cause the information I've been getting is beginning to paint Sweden as a crazy SJW Utopia gone horribly wrong.

[IndiraLightfoot]

Meshugger: I already have friends with kids living in these "worst areas of Sweden", and they boast big semi-detached houses - condos - with gardens, plenty of bed rooms over two floors, and good schools and social activities, libraries, sports facilities, you name it. I've had one family I know well that moved from Cambridge to one of them, and they were utterly surprised. They even claimed that I had painted it all in black colours. I had visited them over in Cambridge - in their small two-by-two, or whatever it was called - and that standard of living was lower than in these Swedish "ghettos". It would be an easy recommendation. However, everything is relative. There are slightly more bad stuff happening now and then there than in more well-to-do areas.

[IndiraLightfoot]

Since we have so many Swedes here do they mind answering a few questions?

 

Are feminist extremist a problem in Sweden?

 

 

*Tongue in cheek* If you by that mean that it has deeply affected the society, and if you see that as a bad thing, then yes. For centuries, women have had a reasonably good standing in Nordic countries (obviously, it's all relative), but the catholic church messed that bit up a bit during medieval times. Then came Protestantism and things slowly turned to more equality again. If I'd take Australia and Sydney, which is something I know well, as a contrast and a comparison, in the 50's, both my home countries, Australia and Sweden, were like the dark ages. Women were third class citizens.  Lesbians and gays and queers practically invisible.

Everything was illegal. 

Licensing laws were truly draconian. Homosexuality and any social formations beyond the married couple were criminalised and demonised.  The police were brutal. All these things are gone now. And just like Sydney's the gay capital of the Southern hemisphere, Stockholm is the one in the northern hemisphere. A lot of this increased freedom and enlightenment has to do with the many small revolutions in the sixties and seventies, many of which were feminist-based. Alva Myrdal, basically built the entire social structure of Sweden alone. You go, girl!

 

 

Are you still allowed to pee standing up, spread you legs on public transportation, criticize feminism, criticize immigrants......(bunch of other stuff related to SJWs out of control)?

 

There are fines for peeing on the street or publically, but standing up and peeing is allowed, although there are some kindergartens that have been trying to make boys sit and pee (presumably good for avoiding problems with your prostate gland. I prefer to stand, tyvm). Spreading your legs on public transportation has always been considered rude and is certainly frowned upon (a few teenage boys and a few drunks are the common culprits). Criticizing feminism is allowed in spades. It has been going on since the late 19th century, and there seems to be no end to that enthusiastic male chorus.

 

Is the reported rise in rapes related to feminism or immigration and have you observed (hopefully without personal damage) the effects of it?

It's definitely not related to feminism, and the immigration link is moot as well. However, there are numbers indicating that perpetrators often suffer from war trauma or abusive childhoods.

 

 

Edited January 14, 2015 by IndiraLightfoot

[Marcvs Caesar]

Islam should be banned, some religions have been banned for less and it is obvious the violence won't stop anytime soon.

[Rostere]

Are feminist extremist a problem in Sweden?

Hahahaha. Wait, what?

 

Are you still allowed to pee standing up, spread you legs on public transportation, criticize feminism, criticize immigrants......(bunch of other stuff related to SJWs out of control)?

Uh...

 

Is the reported rise in rapes related to feminism or immigration and have you observed (hopefully without personal damage) the effects of it?

This is actually interesting. Yes, the very high rape rate is clearly connected to feminism. In countries such as Pakistan, Saudi Arabia and so on you firstly have a different idea of what a rape is (a man cannot rape his wife, et.c.) and also the punishment is much harsher. You can see both that many things that would not count as rape there would in Sweden, and that people would not report being raped there. A man reporting being raped by another man would be unthinkable.

 

Now you can think of Sweden as being on one extreme end of this spectrum, Saudi Arabia on the other, with European countries such as France, UK, Switzerland et.c. being somewhere in between Sweden and Saudi Arabia, some closer to a religious-superstitious society such as Saudi Arabia and others closer the liberal-secular society of Sweden. There is still a high degree of shame and other problems connected to rape in many countries.

 

I think it is entirely due to feminism that in Sweden there is a very low rate of rapes occurring "in the dark" compared to other countries.

 

Now many immigrants come here from entirely different cultures, and when they are subject to the high degree of sexualization of the public space that we unfortunately have in Sweden, they get ****ed up in the head. Meanwhile, the wives/relatives/acquaintances of these people have access to the modern justice system of Sweden and this might result in many rapes being reported.

 

Also, please note that there are no official statistics on who commits rape in Sweden, so all of the above is merely speculation.

 

I only ask these questions cause the information I've been getting is beginning to paint Sweden as a crazy SJW Utopia gone horribly wrong.

Exaggerated, as is 99% of the stuff you read on the Internet.

 

Islam should be banned, some religions have been banned for less and it is obvious the violence won't stop anytime soon.

It will secularize, and then disappear, just like Christianity.

[Meshugger]

Based on your replies, would you guys say that Sweden has a succesful immigration policy from islamic countries? And how would you say that Sweden have succeeded and France has failed in this?

 

Finally, do you guys see the same level of threat of terrorism compared to France and what measures have Sweden taken to lessen/avoid this?

[Marcvs Caesar]

 

Islam should be banned, some religions have been banned for less and it is obvious the violence won't stop anytime soon.

It will secularize, and then disappear, just like Christianity.

 

 

I doubt I will still be alive to see it by then, if it happens. Throughout history the agressive religions have been the successful ones, and there's no religious doctrine more agressive than Islam that's for sure.

 

The meaningless slaughter will continue until something is done.