Gromnir Posted June 25, 2014 Posted June 25, 2014 (edited) "but if they is gonna force broken toys 'pon us," Most of the npcs aren't forced on you. Isabella certainly isn't. And, she actually grows to be trustworthy.It's called CHARACTER GROWTH.. our recollection is that regardless o' how well you treat her, isabella will betray your trust in chapter 2. she takes advantage o' some chaos to abscond with some kinda book, yes? so yeah, becoming more untrustworthy is a kinda growth. sure, you can get her to do a kinda redemption thing, but that nonsense were pretty darn silly too. HA! Good Fun! edit: we will observe that in positive contrast to mass effect 2, the da2 companions had fewer "daddy" issues. that were a kinda positive... am s'posing. nevertheless, save for the pragmatic desire to fill out a party, we could not imagine any rational version of hawke having any da2 companion accompany them save for the dwarf and the knight. Edited June 25, 2014 by Gromnir "If there be time to expose through discussion the falsehood and fallacies, to avert the evil by the processes of education, the remedy to be applied is more speech, not enforced silence."Justice Louis Brandeis, Concurring, Whitney v. California, 274 U.S. 357 (1927) "Im indifferent to almost any murder as long as it doesn't affect me or mine."--Gfted1 (September 30, 2019)
BruceVC Posted June 25, 2014 Posted June 25, 2014 "but if they is gonna force broken toys 'pon us," Most of the npcs aren't forced on you. Isabella certainly isn't. And, she actually grows to be trustworthy.It's called CHARACTER GROWTH.. our recollection is that regardless o' how well you treat her, isabella will betray your trust in chapter 2. she takes advantage o' some chaos to abscond with some kinda book, yes? so yeah, becoming more untrustworthy is a kinda growth. sure, you can get her to do a kinda redemption thing, but that nonsense were pretty darn silly too. HA! Good Fun! She did betray me but through the Desire demon and so did the someone else ( I can't remember who) but I forgave her and she became a committed member of the party and a valuable addition in combat "Abashed the devil stood and felt how awful goodness is and saw Virtue in her shape how lovely: and pined his loss” John Milton "We don't stop playing because we grow old; we grow old because we stop playing.” - George Bernard Shaw "What counts in life is not the mere fact that we have lived. It is what difference we have made to the lives of others that will determine the significance of the life we lead" - Nelson Mandela
Hiro Protagonist II Posted June 25, 2014 Posted June 25, 2014 (edited) Not sure what the score is for. You don't think Obsidian should go the Bioware route and do rpgs for the mass market like Bioware have done? It's a troll rating, for the quality of your troll post. You're getting better, 7/10 might get trolled again. In that case. 0/10 for your troll post. Considering I was asking a serious question. And another poster who doesn't answer simple questions. No idea why people find it so hard to answer simple questions. Bioware sells games with their type/style of rpg. They're quite successful at it. Edited June 25, 2014 by Hiro Protagonist II
Gromnir Posted June 25, 2014 Posted June 25, 2014 aside: observing that we liked 3 of the 7 da 2 companions is not actual bad. ps:t, our favorite crpg, had two excellent companions (morte and dak'kon) and a couple we liked in spite o' some serious flaws (nordom and annah.) the rest? meh. ravel puzzlewell were the best character in the game, but not a companion. regardless, rare does we have a game for which we likes more than 50% of the party npcs. for us, as long as we have a few good/great companions, the "meh" party members is adequate as long as they is still useful beyond story elements. on the other hand, with some games virtual all the companions is meh or worse. heck, hate for companions is, to our way o' thinking, better than complete forgettable. am talking to you arcanum. HA! Good Fun! "If there be time to expose through discussion the falsehood and fallacies, to avert the evil by the processes of education, the remedy to be applied is more speech, not enforced silence."Justice Louis Brandeis, Concurring, Whitney v. California, 274 U.S. 357 (1927) "Im indifferent to almost any murder as long as it doesn't affect me or mine."--Gfted1 (September 30, 2019)
NOK222 Posted June 25, 2014 Posted June 25, 2014 Meh, I don't dislike Freddie Prince Jr. Ka-ka-ka-ka-Cocaine!
BruceVC Posted June 26, 2014 Posted June 26, 2014 Not sure what the score is for. You don't think Obsidian should go the Bioware route and do rpgs for the mass market like Bioware have done? It's a troll rating, for the quality of your troll post. You're getting better, 7/10 might get trolled again. In that case. 0/10 for your troll post. Considering I was asking a serious question. And another poster who doesn't answer simple questions. No idea why people find it so hard to answer simple questions. Bioware sells games with their type/style of rpg. They're quite successful at it. To be honest there is something about your posting style where I also don't think you are being serious at times. Its not all the time but there have been examples where I thought you were trolling, like the rise of homophobia in Uganda and I thought you were being dismissive of the issue. And I'm not sure exactly what it is so I can't say "its how you ask questions" but you do create the perception of trolling. Anyway going forward I am going to assume you are always serious so you and I won't have this misunderstanding again "Abashed the devil stood and felt how awful goodness is and saw Virtue in her shape how lovely: and pined his loss” John Milton "We don't stop playing because we grow old; we grow old because we stop playing.” - George Bernard Shaw "What counts in life is not the mere fact that we have lived. It is what difference we have made to the lives of others that will determine the significance of the life we lead" - Nelson Mandela
Hiro Protagonist II Posted June 26, 2014 Posted June 26, 2014 (edited) To be honest there is something about your posting style where I also don't think you are being serious at times. Its not all the time but there have been examples where I thought you were trolling, like the rise of homophobia in Uganda and I thought you were being dismissive of the issue. And I'm not sure exactly what it is so I can't say "its how you ask questions" but you do create the perception of trolling. Anyway going forward I am going to assume you are always serious so you and I won't have this misunderstanding again Ah okay. So you basically jump to conclusions. And if you're not sure, you immediately think I'm trolling? Nice little judgemental admission you made there. And homophobia in Uganda? WTF? Where did that come from? I mean, wow. just wow. And where have I been dismissive of homophobia in Uganda? I never have. But nice trying to suggest I was. Looking at the Uganda thread, I was calling you out on you downplaying corrective rape in South Africa. You said it wasn't common. I responded and linked an article which suggests it does seem to be common and after a page or two of going back and forth, you finally admitted and said, "Corrective rape happens in South Africa, the article is correct". I know you're nationalistic about South Africa and always want to jump on the bandwagon on how progressive South Africa is but when someone posts something that's terrible in your country, you shouldn't be all 'oh that's not common' and downplay it. That's just an insult to all those women who are effected by it. And it wasn't me that brought up corrective rape in the thread. I was responding to your downplaying of the issue to another poster. So when I asked questions in this thread like wouldn't it be better to ask women on how women are portrayed in games, you immediately think I'm trolling? Which is why it took so many posts with your dodging and weaving and avoiding the question for you to finally answer the question. Perhaps it's best to not immediately think people are trolling and just answer questions when they are very simple questions. Only one person (Orogun01) answered the question about Obsidian taking pointers from Bioware and going down the route that Bioware has done and I can certainly understand Orogun01's concerns for Obsidian not to do Bioware style rpgs. But then it's just easy for some to troll my posts like AGX-17 has done, eh. Edited June 26, 2014 by Hiro Protagonist II
Bryy Posted June 26, 2014 Posted June 26, 2014 Meh, I don't dislike Freddie Prince Jr. He's got a fantastic voice. I would not doubt it if he became a member of the Voice Over Club anytime soon.
BruceVC Posted June 26, 2014 Posted June 26, 2014 To be honest there is something about your posting style where I also don't think you are being serious at times. Its not all the time but there have been examples where I thought you were trolling, like the rise of homophobia in Uganda and I thought you were being dismissive of the issue. And I'm not sure exactly what it is so I can't say "its how you ask questions" but you do create the perception of trolling. Anyway going forward I am going to assume you are always serious so you and I won't have this misunderstanding again Ah okay. So you basically jump to conclusions. And if you're not sure, you immediately think I'm trolling? Nice little judgemental admission you made there. And homophobia in Uganda? WTF? Where did that come from? I mean, wow. just wow. And where have I been dismissive of homophobia in Uganda? I never have. But nice trying to suggest I was. Looking at the Uganda thread, I was calling you out on you downplaying corrective rape in South Africa. You said it wasn't common. I responded and linked an article which suggests it does seem to be common and after a page or two of going back and forth, you finally admitted and said, "Corrective rape happens in South Africa, the article is correct". I know you're nationalistic about South Africa and always want to jump on the bandwagon on how progressive South Africa is but when someone posts something that's terrible in your country, you shouldn't be all 'oh that's not common' and downplay it. That's just an insult to all those women who are effected by it. And it wasn't me that brought up corrective rape in the thread. I was responding to your downplaying of the issue to another poster. So when I asked questions in this thread like wouldn't it be better to ask women on how women are portrayed in games, you immediately think I'm trolling? Which is why it took so many posts with your dodging and weaving and avoiding the question for you to finally answer the question. Perhaps it's best to not immediately think people are trolling and just answer questions when they are very simple questions. Only one person (Orogun01) answered the question about Obsidian taking pointers from Bioware and going down the route that Bioware has done and I can certainly understand Orogun01's concerns for Obsidian not to do Bioware style rpgs. But then it's just easy for some to troll my posts like AGX-17 has done, eh. My friend you are very defensive. I said "I thought " you were being dismissive about the rise of homophobia in Uganda. That means I was wrong But no I didn't think you were trolling in this thread which was why I responded. But the reality is people outside of me do think you troll sometimes which is why they don't always respond in the way you expect. This is the perception that exists for some and answers your questions where you asked "why can't people answer a simple question " Don't shoot the messenger for giving you a possible explanation to your question 1 "Abashed the devil stood and felt how awful goodness is and saw Virtue in her shape how lovely: and pined his loss” John Milton "We don't stop playing because we grow old; we grow old because we stop playing.” - George Bernard Shaw "What counts in life is not the mere fact that we have lived. It is what difference we have made to the lives of others that will determine the significance of the life we lead" - Nelson Mandela
Hiro Protagonist II Posted June 26, 2014 Posted June 26, 2014 There's a difference between defensive and setting the record straight. I'm setting the record straight. But keep attacking the person and calling me whatever you like. eg. defensive, etc if it makes you feel better.
BruceVC Posted June 26, 2014 Posted June 26, 2014 There's a difference between defensive and setting the record straight. I'm setting the record straight. But keep attacking the person and calling me whatever you like. eg. defensive, etc if it makes you feel better. Wow, I just win with you hey Hiro. You didn't need to set the record straight as I explained I was wrong and I realized you were serious about the discussion of homophobia in Uganda. "Abashed the devil stood and felt how awful goodness is and saw Virtue in her shape how lovely: and pined his loss” John Milton "We don't stop playing because we grow old; we grow old because we stop playing.” - George Bernard Shaw "What counts in life is not the mere fact that we have lived. It is what difference we have made to the lives of others that will determine the significance of the life we lead" - Nelson Mandela
Calax Posted June 26, 2014 Posted June 26, 2014 You know... I think the problem with character development in DA 2 is that it's got the big time gaps... so a lot of the development happens offscreen. 2 Victor of the 5 year fan fic competition! Kevin Butler will awesome your face off.
BruceVC Posted June 26, 2014 Posted June 26, 2014 WHY CAN'T WE ALL JUST BE FRIENDS! ;( I don't particularly dislike anyone but that doesn't mean we don't engage in debates and arguements "Abashed the devil stood and felt how awful goodness is and saw Virtue in her shape how lovely: and pined his loss” John Milton "We don't stop playing because we grow old; we grow old because we stop playing.” - George Bernard Shaw "What counts in life is not the mere fact that we have lived. It is what difference we have made to the lives of others that will determine the significance of the life we lead" - Nelson Mandela
Humanoid Posted June 26, 2014 Posted June 26, 2014 It'd be easier and more palatable to be friends with the darkspawn for some people I suspect. 1 L I E S T R O N GL I V E W R O N G
Bos_hybrid Posted June 26, 2014 Posted June 26, 2014 Anyways, by and large, DA2 characetrs were better than DAO ones. No. It'd be easier and more palatable to be friends with the darkspawn for some people I suspect. I would rather The Architect as a companion than most of the DA2 cast. Not sure what the score is for. You don't think Obsidian should go the Bioware route and do rpgs for the mass market like Bioware have done? Bethesda games have constantly massively outsold bioware games. Better to follow their mass market appeal. Besides NV already showed they do it better anyway. Despite the pro-romance equals more sales crowd likes to claim, romances have not caused bioware games to sell more or nail the mass market.
Volourn Posted June 26, 2014 Posted June 26, 2014 Excatly. Romance is such a minor part of BIO games. Don't let the loudmouths on the internetz fool you into thinking they post on behalf of the 'masses'. 1 DWARVES IN PROJECT ETERNITY = VOLOURN HAS PLEDGED $250.
BruceVC Posted June 26, 2014 Posted June 26, 2014 Despite the pro-romance equals more sales crowd likes to claim, romances have not caused bioware games to sell more or nail the mass market. Can you provide some links to support that because I don't believe it. Romance is one of main reasons that a large segment of Bioware fans support there games. But I can't say its the only reason because many people would still buy there games if Romance was excluded. I guess you would have to do a poll where you have 4 factors and you ask people to rate them in order of significance around what is the most important consideration when they buy an RPG? Romance would obviously be one of the four "Abashed the devil stood and felt how awful goodness is and saw Virtue in her shape how lovely: and pined his loss” John Milton "We don't stop playing because we grow old; we grow old because we stop playing.” - George Bernard Shaw "What counts in life is not the mere fact that we have lived. It is what difference we have made to the lives of others that will determine the significance of the life we lead" - Nelson Mandela
Volourn Posted June 26, 2014 Posted June 26, 2014 "Romance is one of main reasons that a large segment of Bioware fans support there games." Define 'large'. "I guess you would have to do a poll where you have 4 factors and you ask people to rate them in order of significance around what is the most important consideration when they buy an RPG? Romance would obviously be one of the four" 1. Internet spammers are such a small minority of gamers - RPG or otherwise- that any poll would be meaningless on a large scale. 2. BIO games were selling well before romance became popular in the games. 3. Romance is such a minor part of BIO games. They take up less than 5% of the game. Heck, they probably take up less than 1%. LMAO So, if you are playing BIO games for the romance than you are basically wasting time when you could be doing other things to get your 'romance' fix. DWARVES IN PROJECT ETERNITY = VOLOURN HAS PLEDGED $250.
BruceVC Posted June 26, 2014 Posted June 26, 2014 " "I guess you would have to do a poll where you have 4 factors and you ask people to rate them in order of significance around what is the most important consideration when they buy an RPG? Romance would obviously be one of the four" 1. Internet spammers are such a small minority of gamers - RPG or otherwise- that any poll would be meaningless on a large scale. 2. BIO games were selling well before romance became popular in the games. 3. Romance is such a minor part of BIO games. They take up less than 5% of the game. Heck, they probably take up less than 1%. LMAO So, if you are playing BIO games for the romance than you are basically wasting time when you could be doing other things to get your 'romance' fix. Fair enough, the reality is no one can say with certainty how important Romance is or isn't around Bioware games because we just don't have the statistics. I could say there is a vociferous group of Promancers on BSN that do the Romance cause proud but I can't how much they represent in the overall fanbase But I can say that by not having Romance certain people won't bother playing an RPG and will stick to Bioware games that include Romance "Abashed the devil stood and felt how awful goodness is and saw Virtue in her shape how lovely: and pined his loss” John Milton "We don't stop playing because we grow old; we grow old because we stop playing.” - George Bernard Shaw "What counts in life is not the mere fact that we have lived. It is what difference we have made to the lives of others that will determine the significance of the life we lead" - Nelson Mandela
Volourn Posted June 26, 2014 Posted June 26, 2014 And, RPgs will better off without those losers. I don't mind romances (because they tend to add solid C&C and hot babes) but, again, if that is your #1 reason to play RPGs you have much better choices to get your 'romance' fix. There's soap operas (which I actually watch), harlequin romances (ewww), romantic comedies, etc., etc. 1 DWARVES IN PROJECT ETERNITY = VOLOURN HAS PLEDGED $250.
Sofaking Posted June 26, 2014 Posted June 26, 2014 And, RPgs will better off without those losers. I don't mind romances (because they tend to add solid C&C and hot babes) but, again, if that is your #1 reason to play RPGs you have much better choices to get your 'romance' fix. There's soap operas (which I actually watch), harlequin romances (ewww), romantic comedies, etc., etc. Japanese dating sims is where its at.
MrBrown Posted June 26, 2014 Posted June 26, 2014 Damn, all these new characters. They're so... so... Bioware. 2
tajerio Posted June 26, 2014 Posted June 26, 2014 Gotta love mustache boy's drawn-on mustache. Oh dear. 2
aluminiumtrioxid Posted June 26, 2014 Posted June 26, 2014 Gotta love mustache boy's drawn-on mustache. Oh dear. C'mon, he looks cool. In sort of a shady porn actor-y way, but still. 2 "Lulz is not the highest aspiration of art and mankind, no matter what the Encyclopedia Dramatica says."
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